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Diode 02-20-2014 10:51 AM
We gonna discuss Ukraine?
 
https://fbexternal-a.akamaihd.net/sa...tkiL.jpg&cfs=1

Here's Putin's legacy. Not Sochi.

Discuss.

Wise Wiggles 02-20-2014 11:17 AM
what's going on over there

redecorating?

Sicc 02-20-2014 11:18 AM
Interesting.

Diode 02-20-2014 11:19 AM
http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...rd-martial-law

Quote:
Originally Posted by some farker
The Ukrainian people wanted closer ties to the West and the European Union. Yanukovich wants closer ties to Russia and, especially, Putin. Russia (Putin) owns the gas and oil pipelines running through the Ukraine. He does not want to lose control. The Ukraine was always the breadbasket of the USSR. Putin definitely wants to keep control of as much of that as possible.

Yanukovich and Putin may be in the wrong and they may have misread the will of the Ukrainian people. But they also have means, motive, and opportunity. Means? The entire Russian military at Putin's disposal. Motive? see breadbasket, oil, and gas above. Opportunity? "We must stop the rebellion for the good of law and order in the Ukraine."

Yanukovich and Putin may be wrong but in this case, I think "Might Makes Right." Just like when Stalin went through the Ukraine.

And the clincher? Do you see anybody, anywhere, in the West who will get involved rather than sending a strongly worded letter?
Good summary for those just joining the fray.

Diode 02-20-2014 11:22 AM
Oh, and here's the guy leading the rebellion. You might know him.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...ter-wi-008.jpg

Just C 02-20-2014 11:28 AM
This is obviously the invitation for much needed American intervention with the goal of freeing the Russian people of Putins KGB tyranny.

Translation: Invade Kill and Imprison the foreign enemy in the hope of gaining control of their oil like everywhere else they enter like a bull in a china shop.

Just C 02-20-2014 11:33 AM
Before https://fbexternal-a.akamaihd.net/sa...tkiL.jpg&cfs=1 After American unwarranted intervention to free a nations people?

Diode 02-20-2014 11:34 AM
You are out of your element, Donny. Stop.

Diode 02-20-2014 11:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DxkD...ature=youtu.be

This is how Putin treats his opponents. You can slap Yankuvich's name on it, but the world knows who pulls the strings. We enabled it. George Bush and his best friend Pooty-Poot. We sat idly by while the KGB took control of a democratic Russia with a surging economy and destroyed it. We said nothing when history books were nationally rewritten to make Stalin look like a pretty okay guy. We continue not to sanction Russia for their involvement in destabilizing governments and buying entire ruling parties.

Enough.

Just C 02-20-2014 11:38 AM
You're right. I concede. Everything I just said was out of pure ignorance, bordum and a deep hatred for all things American, except basketball and rap

uh-oh 02-20-2014 11:42 AM
i havent looked into this

but i heard its 50/50 with the PEOPLE from the little bit i havetook notice of.

the north and west want europe, the east and south want russia, or some shit like that. im mostly speaking from ignorance tho

uh-oh 02-20-2014 11:47 AM
shits going down in venezuela too

but i havent looked into that either, other than seeing like there miss venezuela or whoever she is got shot in the head

PancakeBrah 02-20-2014 12:04 PM
No 'murica no care.

Let them eat cake.

...the Nagger 02-20-2014 12:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by El Pancake (Post 279889)
No 'murica no care.

Let them eat cake.

Orc 02-20-2014 01:22 PM
67 police held hostage by the ppl rebelling right now

Chyeahhh!!! 02-20-2014 03:46 PM
another classic case of covert controlled opposition by the west. Man you guys can't see that blue fine print right now? This is like the arab spring but in the eastern block

trap. 02-20-2014 03:49 PM
I'm not deploying to russia unless I can fuck a whole bunch of figure skating bitches.

uh-oh 02-20-2014 03:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chyeahhh Guevara (Post 280065)
another classic case of covert controlled opposition by the west. Man you guys can't see that blue fine print right now? This is like the arab spring but in the eastern block
explain

Sharp 02-20-2014 09:51 PM
it's a fucked situation, I think the reasons for the protests are absolutely valid but some of it has gotten out of hand

Aesthetic 02-20-2014 10:01 PM
I find this extremely offputtin'

But really, its wierd that capitalism is failing everywhere else in the world except the united states. A world wide revolution is close my friends.

Sharp 02-20-2014 10:19 PM
this isn't entirely a capitalism issue, this is closer to the result of around a century of cultural strain

Aesthetic 02-20-2014 10:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharp Nine (Post 280265)
this isn't entirely a capitalism issue, this is closer to the result of around a century of cultural strain
But everywhere? I mean, every fucking where?

Greece, Italy, Argentina, Chile, United states, South Africa, India(Tibet), Russia, Australia, New Zealand. Etc.

Everyone it seems is realizing how uncomfortable the government is making them.

The only real place I would feel comfortable with based on social and economical strength is Sweden. And they are almost fluffier than the French.

Could u go in depth on the cultural tension? I recall reading something about russia's hippies being super radical.

Sharp 02-20-2014 11:04 PM
in breif, Ukraine's been kind of consistently shafted by Russia. their culture's been suppressed heavily - in many areas of ukraine youths speak russian (a lot of it survived during WWII in the United States - philly became a huge ukrainian center), and they've been used heavily for resources (known as the breadbasket of the region)

far as those other places go tho, iunno. can't really speak on em but thats funky

Seyance 02-21-2014 08:26 AM
cant wait for this to happen in the rest of the world, viva la revolution. its the only way forward, democracy doesnt work.

WZA 02-21-2014 10:15 AM
that's why they have 500,000 coffins outside of Atlanta Georgia, and empty concentration camps.. they're already 1 step ahead man. They saw things coming wayyyyy before you did.

WZA 02-21-2014 10:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aesthetic (Post 280260)
I find this extremely offputtin'

But really, its wierd that capitalism is failing everywhere else in the world except the united states. A world wide revolution is close my friends.
that's what I was referring to.

Aesthetic 02-21-2014 10:36 AM
Yeah the Fema camps have been around for 20+years.


I cant really remember who it was I really did admire some of his quotes; the man was a piece of shit dont get me wrong but the way he did his teaching and actually approached real life scenarios in terms of revolution was really awe inspiring. Some guy in Ukraine that's been organizing car bombings and government hostage situations as well as federal bank robberies and military depression tactics. Im sure this is either all his fault or is blamed on him. Im curious, really.


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