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is Snowden's nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize worst ever?
nope. That would probably go to Mussolini in 1935, Hitler in 1939, or either of Stalin's 1945 or 1948 nominations.
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dude that's insane
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great answers to your own question
him being nominated seems to fall in line once you see those names |
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he let people know our government was illegally spying on its own people, and you're putting him in line with Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini..? |
no not in the same category
but in the category of how is this keeping peace exaggerating gov intel to attempt to ensue riots |
I seen him spin a story about how gov funding is used to purchase child sex slaves in afghan
like cmon son do ppl really think he was helping I almost want to not believe that the gov didn't plant him but its almost obv same as these NSA stories coming out everyday now I hate watching national news smh, its like c'mon the scripted corniness and fear mongering is really, really getting old man |
Chillax, he was just nominated... By two dudes or something. Just because someone gets HoF Nom doesn't mean it'll get there. Either way I like Snowden being nominated, on my phone, can explain why laters if anyones interested.
Either way; Obama winning it was a wtf moment for me. |
I also didn't agree with obama
he's the leader of our military wtf |
yea i was gonna say didnt obama win it even though he has drone strikes and cruise missiles hitting innocents basically EVERY SINGLE DAY
and anyone who is with snowden deserves to be stabbed in the neck with a rusty shovel and kicked into a mass grave he's a coward, he's a faggot, and he's a traitor who commited treason. he should be shot in the back of the head and dumped into the caspian sea |
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splits talking out of his ass
snowden exposed we collect metadata, meaning if i called eddie, they have a record that it happened. we didnt need the nsa for that. all this screwed over is the companies that usually just sell that info to the government. you dont think the govt cant get your at&t info? the treason commited is it also showed we collect metadata on non civilians like the french were freaked out we were spying on there prime minister or president whatever they got over there but thats just smart government. snodwen is straining our relationships with our ALLIES. you can say well why are we spying on our allies BECAUSE THATS WHAT GOVERNMENTS DO. you think we don't want to know if france is cutting deals with some saudi's on the low? would you want the veil pulled over your eyes while the world conspires to destroy us? get real everyone spies. right now there is a french spy somewhere in our government. thats the world if we spyy on there phones, THEY DONT NEED TO KNOW how do you think a precinct would feel if a shitty beat cop went and told marlo that they got a wire tap on him. it ruins the whole investigation all because some faggot ran his mouth kill him. he didnt bring any atrocities to light, anyone with a brain knew our phone calls have been getting spied on since the patriot act or whatever that bush put through WAKE UP |
i was looking at the local news, and some drunks stole a dog warden van, and crashed it into the dog warden building
there was a poll, they got 5 years probation and the poll asked if they deserved prison time. it was 21 year old kids, drunk and bored in canton ohio. they fucked up, but i hit no on the poll because they dont deserve prison for that. all they hurt was the cities money. so if a judge who is PAID BY THE CITY declares probation is enough thats enough for me. it was 99 percent tho, the people wanted these kids IMPRISONED yet meanwhile you got this idiot snowden, and probably 90 percent of you retards don't think he deserves the death penalty he should be beheaded and thrown off a cliff bradley the freakshow manning deserves much more than death, but sadly thats all we as mortals can grant him. he really deserves it. its like yo. if we are a group of hunters in a post apocalyptic world, and one hunter is dumb and making everything we do that much harder, WE KILL THAT IDIOT. snowden is that idiot. |
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nothing useful (to us) came from this. how tf was he helpin us? nobody can tell you how. they just gonna say he told us we get spied on |
I'm not anti-Snowden at all, to be clear. but I can think of a handful of people off the top of my head who have actually affected the state of peace in the world, unlike Snowden. I wasn't grouping him with the aforementioned dictators to say that he is of similar integrity or character, just that there have been more ridiculous nominations in the past.
and for the record, Obama winning was a joke, as was Arafat, and even this previous year's winner (coalition against chemical weapons) was a joke since we're still waiting for Syria to actually do anything. |
yea i thought putin was nominated for getting rid of there chemical weapons?
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What dyou mean dog... the US govt wasn't exactly counterspying, it was farming mass data just to have it... I mean true. We did legally sign away our rights to almost every telecoms corp we came into contact with. But we didn't have alternatives, the idea that they might up and sell our data to the highest bidder isn't exactly in line with the interests of their products.
The government was violating privacy rights in an unprecedented way because of the dawn of the digital age, and this illustrated the strong lack of legal infrastructure regarding.... anything and everything, about the internet I agree Snowden is a traitor. Maybe planted, idk. I don't know politics well enough to hazard a guess. But what he did was imo a necessary evil. |
It's an Obamanation
Get it? Like an abomination, but w/ Obama 'cause he's the president & the country we live in is also a referred to as a nation, so it's both a hilarious & edgy coining of the times we live in I love the internets |
lmao snowden & that whole shit the greatest lie of the 21 century
the nsa dont have fucking shit. classic fear-mongering techniques to get ppl to do what they want - to think they need something they dont. the fucking tor network. |
I don't consider Snowden a traitor tbh. He's getting the snitch treatment for being a whistleblower on legal, yet unethical behavior. Still, don't see how he contributed to the cause of peace in the world.
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dead @ obamanation
I consider Snowden a traitor because he committed treason... I think he did a justifiable thing but it doesn't make it morally correct. @Ryan 12 the NSA does have a lot of data on pretty much everything. I have sources who can confirm. it's not exactly secret, tbh. they aren't necessarily doing anything with it, though... it might be fear mongering as well, but fear mongering has been a staple of ever government since prehistoric times. |
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as for allegations of child sex slaves being purchased by the government, it's not at all outside the realm of possibilities...ted gunderson, the LAPD detective who exposed the CIA for trafficking coke, also exposed a whole lot of shit about the CIA's involvement in child trafficking for the purpose of satanic ritual abuse...there was a whole national news story about it when it happened... elementary school children testified that they were taken into the woods during school hours an forced to participate in satanic rituals with politicians, famous actors an actresses, an professional sports players...tunnels were uncovered beneath the school that had been back filled shortly before the investigation went public...children's clothes, lunch boxes an more were all found in the tunnels... a concrete structure was found in the same area the children testified they thought they had been taken too...there were paintings of all types of satanic imagery an demonic figures, as well as altars set up an shit...look up the CIA Finders organization at some point... if snowden deserves to be shot in the head for tryna expose just how serious the violations against our civil rights are, then u deserve to be shot in the head for suggesting they shouldn't be held accountable for it, an for suggesting that a man should be murdered an labeled a traitor for revealing the truth about what's been going on... our government is the real traitor...for the people, by the people, remember? snowden betrayed the government, not the country, which is the people...when the government no longer represents the best interests of the people, it is their duty to expose an remove it, per our founding fathers own words...we shoulda overthrown these corrupt mufuckahs a long time ago tbh... |
Tookie was pretty bad too.
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http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2014...e-and-for-all/
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http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013...ghest-bidders/ @oats |
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but you are wrong of course. snowden did NOTHING NOTHING to help the common american. he isn't exposing tyranny, he isn't a hero. he has singlehandedly strained US relations with our FUCKING ALLIES as well as our enemies, while telling us shit we already know when you go in the bank and see they got surveillance cameras are you getting all uppity about your rights as an american? they can't film me! shut up nigga. its a necessary evil in the world we live in today if the government wants to see who i talk to from day to day why should i give a fuck? i aint starting a revolution, i aint cavorting with terrorists. im a fucking american. i live in a country where i can eat doritos and carry a fire arm they aren't OPPRESSING ME. when they become OPPRESSIVE and show signs of TYRANNY then you are supposed to rise to overthrow them. explain to me how the government is a traitor. because somewhere in a database it shows you called fat tina to bring you some mcdonalds? |
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central banking was the primary reason the pilgrims left england an the government instituted it here, despite an overpowering opinion that it was an evil practice, which it has shown itself to be... do enough research into 9/11 an it's plain to see the government was behind it...not to mention, the gulf of tonkin incident was a false flag attack an the documents verifying that have been declassified... the documents about MK ULTRA were declassified, proving that even if mind control is bullshit, the CIA spent several years kidnapping an torturing american citizens in an attempt to develop manchurian candidates... fiat currency was banned from being used in america by the constitution, specifically to prevent central banking from being possible, yet the government began printing it shortly after robbing the american people for their gold with the threat of 10 years imprisonment... executive orders were passed giving the federal government the right to, when a government official declares a state of emergency, take ur guns, ur food (including those doritos u mentioned), ur car, ur money, any forms of communication, as well as place u (or anyone) in a "mandatory civilian work brigade, " an force entire population groups to relocate to designated centers for processing (fema camps, anyone?)...WHY should this concern u? A STATE OF EMERGENCY WAS DECLARED IN GEORGIA CUZ OF TWO INCHES OF SNOWFALL...now the police didn't disarm everyone an take their food, but LEGALLY, they were entitled to...over 2 fucking inches of snow... the government lied about weapons of mass destruction in iraq, an low an behold we find our years later that saddam was about to break the petro dollar cycle by accepting non american currency for oil, when we suddenly were told he was a threat...check out opec an the petro dollar recycling system if u doubt me... it has been well documented that the great depression was caused by jp morgan, whose family to this day is deeply tied in with government an finance... free speech has now been restricted to not be a right in zones that fall within so many feet of federal buildings...the government has collected unimaginable amounts of records on our phone calls, emails, text messages an Internet searches illegally... the NDAA of 2012 declared the united states a legal warzone, which may not trip u out right now since ur not seeing tables on the streets, but should give u major cause for concern cuz it legally means the military can police american cities, as they would be acting as a military force in a warzone, instead of a domestic police force...the practical application would be the exact same thing, but cuz of how its worded it circumvents constitutional protections against a military police force... I can keep going if u would like to know more ways the government has violated its constitutional charter an thus committed treason against the people of the united states...if our founding fathers were here today they would have taken up arms against the government years ago tbh... beyond that, why should it be the government's right to stop u from starting a revolution, if u were (since u mentioned that)? u do realize that revolution/revolts are actually rights of the people according to the constitution, right? an these days terrorism has such a broad definition that it can mean almost anything, to a degree... bur whether or not ur doing anything is besides the point...the government is supposed top be controlled by the people an accountable to the laws which validate its existence...however, thats not the case...who cares if the government tracks everything u do??????!!!!! are u serious????????!!!!! has it occurred to u that maybe there's a reason certain restrictions were put on the government?????? by the men who created it, no less???? the world isn't any more evil today than its ever been...hate to break it to u, but it's always been an evil place an always will be, there's no difference between now an the past besides technology... we live in a caste system: a ruling class with all the money, weapons, an the right to do as they please, then a pleasant class with all the debt, labor, an the right to do what the rulers tell them they can...thats not freedom, that's u being allowed to dip what someone else decides u can...its not like the ruling class abides the same laws we do or suffers the same punishments for crimes... did u know that all felonies result in the permanent loss of gun rights, EXCEPT those involving corporate financial crimes, an stock market frauds?so, in essence, u lost ur rights forever unless ur rich enough to rob the american people for millions or billions, in which case u can still own a gun... does none of this seem a betrayal of trust against the people to u? |
snowden committed treason
he didnt help you. stop. you knew everything you posted before snowden leaked that the nsa keeps phone records if you didnt know the government kept records/spied on american phones then you got your priorities backwards when researching this type of shit. im big into all the shit you are talking about. none of it has to do with snowden. you fail to mention why it matters that the government has your phone records, and how its infringing on your freedom |
Dont argue with uh oh. Guy just wants to be an argumentitve tool in every thread.
Dont think I have ever seen you agree with anything anyone has ever posted. |
i argue to argue most of the time, about this you are correct
i'm usually on point tho, which is why i can keep my arguments going, and those im arguing with lose so terribly they move off the point of discussion and ramble wildly from 9/11 being a false flag attack, to the gulf of tonkin, to mk ultra, etc. im just surprised he didnt throw out kennedy and try and school me on how andrew jackson is a badass by destroying the central bank if this thread was about any of those things i might be in agreement with pjk/detour. maybe not 9/11, but central banking and other retarded shit. but this is about snowden |
Im not saying you are wrong, you are right or at very best convincing in your arguments as you use logic and facts not heresay.
But you arent open minded and are very stubborn which is your drawback. |
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an whether we knew they were monitoring everything or not, he pushed it from the realm of "conspiracy theory" into verifiable FACT...on the surface, that might not make a huge difference, but there are a LOT of people who never believed all that shit before snowden provided the documentation to prove it... not only that, but he pushed the debate over it back into the lime light...he sparked a whole new wave of discussion over the ever-expanding power of the government...it doesn't mean they gonna STOP breaking the law, but there's a lot of people who didn't believe it before, but do now that he showed the proof... |
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so please, explain to me how i strayed off track by listing cases of the government betraying the american people an the constitution it is sworn to uphold, when that's exactly what u asked me to do? |
Worst topic ever.
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@Pancake I resent that. It could have been an interesting discussion, but I should have known better that conspiracy theorists would hijack it.
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he didnt move it from "conspiracy theory" to fact. read the patriot act dummy. they had the right to monitor your calls. if the government put in a law saying they have the right to move blonde jews to fema camps, you ain't gonna know its for real until they knock on your door? him breaking it into the lime light, wouldnt have even been a big deal if it didnt reveal we were spying on other nations leaders. thats where the problem lies. the government doesnt care about us man. if we called someone on there list then they would care. this isnt some secret conspiracy shit to strip our rights. Quote:
and man its really hard to take you serious when the shit you bring up you don't even know about. the gulf of tonkin didnt sink anything. the first battle actually happened. it was three north vietnamese torpedo boats, all of which were threats eliminated. the destroyer and a plane that was firing on them, was slightly damaged. meaning they probably got damaged in destroying those shitty vietnamese boats. the SECOND engagement was completely made up, there was no attack, no radar imaging of anything etc. they made that engagement up to speed up the process because they were intent on warring with them in the first place. it was a false flag because they stated they were attacked and weren't. thats the conspiracy theory. the us didnt sink us ships. there was 1 minor skirmish, and 1 fake skirmish. |
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i listed a whole menagerie of things the government has done that constitute a treason against the american people...whether executive orders become the law or not, which they do, that doesn't make them free from constituting a treasonous act...if the president signs an executive order that officially makes every american property of the chinese an rules our country no longer a sovereign entity, it's LEGAL, yes, but it's still an act of treason...i don't care how many laws they write that say they can listen to our phone calls without warrant, arrest us without warrant, imprison us indefinitely without charges, etc...IT'S STILL A DIRECT VIOLATION OF THE 14TH AMMENDMENT... lincoln did invent his own form of fiat currency, true, but that was illegal...just like the inception of central banking in the US was illegal...that's the point...OF COURSE THE GOVERNMENT IS GONNA MAKE EVERYTHING THEY DO LEGAL BY CHANGING THE LAW TO SAY IT IS...that doesn't change the fact that it's wrong, that the constitution expressly forbids a lot of it, an that all they're doing is using things like executive orders to circumvent the legal process...saying it's the law now (what u said about executive orders) doesn't make these acts not treason anymore than legalizing rape would make it not rape...just cuz the law says u can do it doesn't mean it isn't what it is... if u don't see how any of that shit is treasonous then i don't know what the fuck to tell u...live ur life, eat ur doritos, an hopefully when they throw u in a FEMA camp they have a vending machine there so u can keep eating them...i hate to tell u bro, but even a supreme court justice has come out an publicly stated that the government will throw us in FEMA camps...an not on some, "oh it could happen," no, as in IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, an quote "ur kidding urself" if u think it isn't...he even states it's illegal, but that "in times of war the law remains silent"... http://wdtprs.com/blog/2014/02/overl...l-maybe-never/ |
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when he was in public he wore the shirt with tor on it and lets cut the crap this whole thing is a setup to get tor exploited/commercialzed/exposed to the public so the government and nsa can basically control all internet activity lets remember now that tor has their own browser so rip internet explorer & firefox |
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Lol detour just went full retard.
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