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Masaii 12-10-2013 07:00 AM

Remember the future
 
So im trying to fully understand this saying, just read this quickly;

"Constructing the future relies on the same memory capabilities. We use information from past events and general knowledge, stir that information into new forms, and construct a memory for a future event. I imagine visiting one of my sons this weekend by building possible events from other visits. I also use general knowledge about my son, myself, and where he lives. When I imagine the future, I do the same mental work as when I remember the past. I reconstruct the past and I remember the future."

Found off; http://m.psychologytoday.com/blog/me...ing-the-future

Now after reading that article to me it just means that remembering the future is just reconstructing the past and applying it to the future in terms of memory. I could be very wrong though. Is this one of those subjective things where you arent wrong or right?

Any and all opinions are welcome here, please share your view.

Ryan 12 12-10-2013 07:11 AM

the future and your outlook/expectations of the future are two different things.

essentially, all thought processes deal with memory, so really all thought is remembering.

Masaii 12-10-2013 07:15 AM

So when someone 'remembers the future' they are picturing it, smells, tastes, visions based on past experience and creating a vision of a time yet to come thus 'remembering' the future, right?

Ryan 12 12-10-2013 07:24 AM

yea, basically

like i said, all thought processes are essentially manipulations of memory. even things that we haven't experienced, fictional & fantasy - are based on variations of things we know

Masaii 12-10-2013 07:34 AM

Interesting. I say this cause I am watching a film called 'Mr Nobody'. The whole concept is basically remembering the future, sliding doors and what ifs. Great film.

Swerve 12-10-2013 08:37 AM

@The Mind Assassin

Masaii 12-10-2013 08:46 AM

Peep my other thread

http://netcees.co/showthread.php?t=38490

veritas 12-10-2013 09:18 AM

I have much to say about this.......

Masaii 12-10-2013 09:19 AM

Then say it.

By definition the future does not exist.

veritas 12-10-2013 09:20 AM

wrong.

Masaii 12-10-2013 09:22 AM

No?

The future definied is: a period of time following the moment of speaking or writing; time regarded as still to come.

Time is linear, a constant state of present.

veritas 12-10-2013 09:24 AM

your vision is to narrow and limited sir. no disrespect implied.

I will give you the first key: "All this has already happened".


ponder.

Masaii 12-10-2013 09:27 AM

So say I am wrong then, are you suggesting that all this has already happened because we live in a constant state to prepare for our future, thus always living in it but at the same time, never living in it?

veritas 12-10-2013 09:28 AM

Think bigger.

veritas 12-10-2013 09:29 AM

I promise I mean no disrespect or condescension. Only tryibg to guide gently.

Masaii 12-10-2013 09:29 AM

Overload

http://www.i-mockery.com/halloween/g.../scanners4.gif



I know you aren't disrespecting, I am trying to broaden my mind here, the saying "you never learn anything new off a person with the same opinion" rings true.

I will ponder.

Witty 12-10-2013 09:31 AM

@The Mind Assassin

You're doing that thing that people do when they suggest they know something others do not but don't actually explain what they claim to know.

Please don't do that.

dead man 12-10-2013 09:32 AM

the idea that time is cyclical always seemed very wishy washy to me. I've heard and read plenty of discourses on time and my favorite is the phenomenological time construction work. it does not approach time as something outside of ourselves which i think this 'remember the future' stuff sort of hints at.

Edmund Husserl did some great writing on time consciousness and internal time. as did Heidegger.. VERITAS you might or might not be interested, these guys slam psychology (as well as all natural science) pretty hard. but also have great respect for it's pursuits. definitely worth checking out.

Masaii 12-10-2013 09:34 AM

All this has already happened due to fate?

Our lives are pre determined?

Not turning this religious but is that what you meant?

Ryan 12 12-10-2013 09:36 AM

stfu bald fagg0t


cyclic time just proves your idiocy. determinism does nothing for us but justifies acts of evil as being presupposed, dare i say it - inherent


@Masaii last person to get knowledge of time from - a bald fagg0t who thinks the earth is 6000 years old


lma0000

Masaii 12-10-2013 09:38 AM

I do not believe time exists as defined. The connection science is trying to identify is consciousness itself.

http://wokenmind.com/quantum-theory-...st/17/03/2013/

"The future does not exist until we create it. We are the factor, the parameter that decides the outcome whether our conscious mind realises it or not."

veritas 12-10-2013 09:39 AM

Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure

Ecclesiastes 3:15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.


This is the secret to being properly aligned. God ended all this and then hit rewind, it is now playing.

You are not aware that this has already happened until now, even still, it is all still new, becuase for us as humans, we can only perceive the flow of time one way.

GOD is not bound to one time dimension. This has already happened, this is the secret of freewill vs determinism, this is the secret of the power of the Bible's prophecy. History written in advance.

bring on the haters. Deep in your soul you know this to be true.

I will await.

Witty 12-10-2013 09:39 AM

Fate is such a weak belief, it is basically saying 'I dunno why things happen, but I believe they happen for a reason'

Why?

There is no evidence to support that, fate is believed in for the same reason heaven is believed in, to give people comfort in the false belief that life is not in their control, that even if they fuck it up it's ok because that's all part of a bigger plan, their mistakes were supposed to happen...that's a dangerous and immature mindstate imo.

veritas 12-10-2013 09:41 AM

warning: Brickwalls ahead.

Ryan 12 12-10-2013 09:41 AM

lmaooo @ veritas dropping that nonsense

veritas 12-10-2013 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan 12 (Post 225150)
lmaooo @ veritas dropping that nonsense

Masaii...do you see how I remembered the future here?

Witty 12-10-2013 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mind Assassin (Post 225148)
warning: Brickwalls ahead.

Warning: Attempted use of ancient caveman text as valid evidence ahead.

Ryan 12 12-10-2013 09:45 AM

that ain't a brickwall, fagg0t



that's me laughing at your trollogic

veritas 12-10-2013 09:47 AM

sighs....lights newport.....

and this is why we can't have nice things.

Witty 12-10-2013 09:49 AM

What is a newport?

A cigarette?

Your body is supposed to be a temple, Veritas.

PEOPLE DON'T SMOKE IN TEMPLES VERITAS.

Masaii 12-10-2013 09:50 AM

I dont want to steer this the religious way pls, although I do appreciate the post V. Guys dont make the thread about your religious beliefs. Topic is time, does it exist? And remembering the future.

Witty 12-10-2013 09:52 AM

I will respectfully leave this thread.

I am sorry for the role I played in sidetracking your discussion.

Sincerely,

Your Friendly Neighborhood Irishman.

Ryan 12 12-10-2013 09:55 AM

jesus christ.



time, masaii, is a werd - wooord - which holds semantic value. tah-eye-ehm



it was introduced to classify experience into three main parts, obviously past, present, future



the mechanics behind how this dimension works - and the word time - are 2 different things for fuck sakes. time exists - yes, how it exists - debatable



kant thought time was a function of the animal brain, a framework of reality, a tool used to perceive change

Masaii 12-10-2013 10:02 AM

Time in this dimension isnt past present future though, everything acts within accordance of one another at that exact point in 'time'.

Quantum Theory: Take two particles, A and B (photons or electrons for example). Pair them, then separate them, and put them on either side of the planet. Stimulate particle A, and particle B will react without any time delay.

Moving faster than light? Not possible, wait, did science just contradict itself? Yes it did.

Ryan 12 12-10-2013 10:07 AM

ya wrong about time tho


yes i know abit about the microscopic world, and the anomalies of quantum mechanics. double slit experiments - the works



thing is you're confusing information for categorization


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