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Meth 12-01-2013 11:27 PM

Football fans: let's build the greatest team ever.
 
So on offense. You have to be versatile. The best way to be versatile is to play single back and have a Tight End that can get vertical as well as block. In this offense, blocking is more important, because most the time we want to be able to pass and run with a 3 receiver set. I think the best running backs ever are Jim Brown, Walter Payton, and Barry Sanders. In that order. However, Barry would be the best for this offense. The other 2 were more grind it out runners, Brown especially.

So let's put Barry as our main back with Gale Sayers as his number 2.

Quarterback I'm taking Brady. I'm not discussing it. He gets the job done and he beats other elite teams with regularity. He's fiery as well as emotional, which is good.

I want Bronco Nagurski at Full back when the team would have goal line or i form sets.

The receivers.

Rice. Obviously.

The other is where there could be a lot of debate. Personally I want a field stretcher. Rice is the prototype for possession receivers and did it better than anyone. So we don't need another. Anyway, I'm taking Moss.

He's a touchdown machine and his hayday was a blur, athletically superior, and hands of glue.

Slot receiver. I know in the other thread I said Wes welker was the best slot receiver ever, and he is. However , I'm taking someone who didn't play in the slot, but I fell easily could.

Tory Holt. He's of smaller stature, and has an insane ability to find the openings in zones like he's been there before. One of the best route runners ever and great hands is icing on the cake.

Tight End is Tony Gonzalez. Cool thanks.

Left Tackle.

I'm taking Art Shell.

Left Guard.

Gene Upshaw

He spent most of his career with art shell so they have chemistry

Center

Mike Webster.

He ridiculously consistent for so long for the steel curtain led Steeler teams.

Right Guard

I'm going Steve Hutchinson


He won 7 all pros in a row with Seattle and Minnesota.

That's ridiculous. He spent most of his career opening up holes for Shawn Alexander and Adrian Peterson.

Right Tackle.

Orlando Pace

He spent most of his career at left tackle but with how good he was it'd be ignorant to think he couldn't switch sides and still dominate.

Defense.

Were gonna run a 3-4. It allows more variation.

Nose tackle.

Vince Wilfork. He's incredible. Just absolutely incredible.

Defensive Ends

Haloti Ngata

@uh-oh can tell you why. Because if you don't know why, watch better.


Howie Long

Great size, speed, length and athleticism he's a perfect fit here.

Outside backers


Kevin Greene and Lawrence Taylor

Obviously.

Inside Backers

Ray Lewis and Dick Butkus.

Obviously.

Corners

Remember it's a 3-4 so most the time we want to jam.

That takes out one of the best in Deon Sanders.

So for me, the best 2 3-4 corners were Rod Woodson and Ronnie Lott. This is very much up for discussion.

Safeties.

Troy.

Perfect strong safety for a 3-4. Just perfect.

Steve Atwater.



Receivers would fear the middle and he was a sure tackler.

Ray Guy and Vinatieri

Dante Hall/Devin Hester to return kicks.

And boom. Best team ever.



The lineup would be...
QB: Brady
RB: Sanders, Sayers
FB: Nagurski
WR: Rice, Moss
SR: Holt, Largent
TE: Tony Gonzales
LT: Shell
LG: Upshaw
C: Webster
RG: Hutchinson
RT: Pace

Defense (3-4)

NT: Wilfork
LE: Ngata
RE: Long
OLB: Greene, Taylor
ILB: Lewis, Butkus
CB: Woodson, Lott
SS: Polomalu
FS: Atwater
K: Vinatieri
P: Guy
Returner: Hester
Let's discuss.

Strikta 12-01-2013 11:41 PM

I'll edit mine in here.. this may take some time.

Diode 12-01-2013 11:42 PM

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Meth 12-01-2013 11:59 PM

Maybe Largent in the slot instead of Tory? Hmm.

Split 12-02-2013 12:01 AM

Tim Tebow?

uh-oh 12-02-2013 12:10 AM

qb - dan marino
hb - 1 jim brown, 2 barry sanders
fb - mike alstott
tes - 1 tony gonzales, 2 shannon sharpe
wrs - jerry rice, terrell owens, randy moss
LT- john ogden
LG-
C-
RG-
RT-

defense is 3-4 all day. movin some dudes around. same position but switchin sides

RE - haloti ngata
DT - warren sapp
LE - howie long
rolb - laurence taylor
mlb - ray lewis, jack lambert
lolb - derrick thomas
cb - night train lane, deion sanders
fs- ed reed
ss- ronnie lott


not positive on my o-line other than john ogden. i'd probably grab up another left tackle and move him to right tackle. guard wise the only dudes popping to mind is larry allen, and modern guys like marshall yanda and ben grubbs and shit like that. basically ravens guys lol

Meth 12-08-2013 08:03 PM

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CtrlF4 12-08-2013 08:05 PM

ed reed>>>troy

Meth 12-08-2013 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CtrlF4 (Post 224293)
ed reed>>>troy

They play different positions, boo.

you would want to argue Atwater.

CtrlF4 12-08-2013 08:10 PM

well I like archaletta or w/e over troy still and marshall faulk over sayers...and I %100 agree with @uh-oh mike alstott pick

Meth 12-08-2013 08:14 PM

Adam Archaletta over Troy?

You're insane.

Troys a hall of famer.

Archaletta REALLY struggled on deep passes in his career especially when he want to the Redskins.
@Strikta could probably tell you that

CtrlF4 12-08-2013 08:15 PM

he was at the end of his like 20 year career also ...my nigga john lynch is GOD of the safety position

Meth 12-08-2013 08:17 PM

Uhm? No.

His first year with Washington was only his 5th in league.

And his career lasted 8 years

You've lost any credibility lol.

CtrlF4 12-08-2013 08:18 PM

Archuletta played longer than 8 years

Meth 12-08-2013 08:19 PM

If you count college, high school and pee wee maybe

CtrlF4 12-08-2013 08:19 PM

it seems like it anyway...and either way john lynch is my fav safety and Elway is my fav qb

Adonis 12-08-2013 09:09 PM

Will post one later...Sure someone already said it, but Ngata is not a DE brotha

Meth 12-08-2013 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adonis (Post 224355)
Will post one later...Sure someone already said it, but Ngata is not a DE brotha

He plays defensive end in a 3-4.

He'd be a DT in a 4-3.

@uh-oh to confirm.

CtrlF4 12-08-2013 09:32 PM

@NotMeth you really think troy is better than lynch

Meth 12-08-2013 09:33 PM

For a 3-4? Certainly. Not even a question .

Lynch played cover 2 his entire career.

Meth 12-08-2013 09:34 PM

When he went to a 3-4 team with New England he got cut lol

Certain 12-08-2013 09:43 PM

Young Jerry Rice was not a possession receiver. Even old Jerry Rice wasn't really a possession receiver.

The only necessities on this team are Rice, Reggie White and Lawrence Taylor. Not having them is stupid.

Meth 12-08-2013 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Certain (Post 224372)
Young Jerry Rice was not a possession receiver. Even old Jerry Rice wasn't really a possession receiver.

The only necessities on this team are Rice, Reggie White and Lawrence Taylor. Not having them is stupid.

If include Reggie White on the team in passing downs...

Since once again, 3-4 base defense.

Certain 12-08-2013 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NotMeth (Post 224373)
If include Reggie White on the team in passing downs...

Since once again, 3-4 base defense.

Reggie White was substantially (25 to 30 pounds) bigger than Howie Long, played tackle as well as end and often played with three down linemen in Green Bay. And he was a monster on run defense as well as pass rushing. Bruce Smith or Dwight Freeney can be your situational edge rusher.

Correct your mistake and free yourself, young NotMeth.

Meth 12-08-2013 10:01 PM

I understand.

However is rather have someone who spent there entire career playing 3-4 in the 3-4 defense.

It's all love though. Him and Sapp inside if I'm running 4-3.

CtrlF4 12-08-2013 10:02 PM

lynch hammered ppl

Certain 12-08-2013 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NotMeth (Post 224375)
I understand.

However is rather have someone who spent there entire career playing 3-4 in the 3-4 defense.

It's all love though. Him and Sapp inside if I'm running 4-3.

Ultimately the problem with your entire team is that you have guys like Howie Long and Art Shell and Gene Upshaw and Dick Butkus who are 30-plus pounds underweight for their positions now. Are you trying to build a team of the greatest players or the greatest possible team? Those guys would get destroyed if I chose this year's All-Pro first team as my roster.

Swerve 12-08-2013 10:13 PM

Lane over Lott.

Graham over Tony G. Sorry, but this might be the point at which I am far more Saint than you are.


I'm okay with the rest.

Strikta 12-08-2013 10:26 PM

Why THE FUCK are ya'll in here talking about Adam Fartchuletout.

Smgdfhmfsbfmfs.

Anyone who put that scrub on their all time needs to never talk about pro ball EVER again.. rofl.

uh-oh 12-08-2013 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NotMeth (Post 224358)
He plays defensive end in a 3-4.

He'd be a DT in a 4-3.

@uh-oh to confirm.

word

he plays pretty much every d-line position in the ravens 3-4 tho, but he's a natural DT in a 4-3 for sure

zygote 12-08-2013 11:14 PM

QB: Trent Dilfer
HB: Ricky Williams (C)
FB: Larry Csonka
TE: Frank Wychek
WR1: Chad Ochocinco
WR2: Harold Carmichael
WR3: Antwaan Randle El
WR4: Marvin Harrison
T1: Art Shell
T2: Louis “The Toe” Groza
G1: Dan Dierdorf
G2: Jerry Kramer
C: Chuck Bednarik

DT: Warren Sapp
DE1: John Matuszak
DE2: Jevon Kearse
MLB: Dick Butkus
OLB1: Urlacher
OLB2: Lawrence Taylor (C)
CB1: Deion Sanders
CB2: Tiki Barber
CB3: Troy Brown
FS: Bob Sanders
SS: Polamalu
KR: Deion Sanders
K: Garo Yepremian (C)
HC: Robert Zuppke
TEAM NAME: The Mexico City Chinampas
TEAM JERSEY COLOR SCHEME: Bright red with orange and blue and green stripes arranged in a fan-like shape.
TEAM MASCOT: A small dancing man.
Team owner will be Mel Gibson.
TEAM PHILOSOPHY: Liberty, equality, fraternity.

Strikta 12-08-2013 11:27 PM

U have a very interesting offense there, Zygote.

Think u meant Ronde instead of Tiki on D tho.

Oh, ur trolling. Gotcha.

PancakeBrah 12-09-2013 12:05 AM

Calvin Johnson needs to be on that team. Cut and dry.

Kind of funny how the Lions have two of the 10 best position players of all time and are, historically, so awful.

Certain 12-09-2013 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PancakeBrah (Post 224422)
Calvin Johnson needs to be on that team. Cut and dry.

Kind of funny how the Lions have two of the 10 best position players of all time and are, historically, so awful.

When you say that, do you mean two players who are among the 10 best at their positions or two of the 10 best players in NFL history?

PancakeBrah 12-09-2013 12:18 AM

Barry Sander's is a top 5 running back, and I am projecting that CJ will finish as a Top 5 WR with good health. There's no tight end in the Top 10 skill position (wr/rb/te) players. Thus, they're both Top 10 skill position players because math.

Certain 12-09-2013 12:32 AM

Ehh, the top 10 skill position players would be nine running backs and Jerry Rice, though.

And you omitted the word "skill," which is what confused me.

Meth 12-09-2013 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Certain (Post 224378)
Ultimately the problem with your entire team is that you have guys like Howie Long and Art Shell and Gene Upshaw and Dick Butkus who are 30-plus pounds underweight for their positions now. Are you trying to build a team of the greatest players or the greatest possible team? Those guys would get destroyed if I chose this year's All-Pro first team as my roster.

Butkus outweighs Ray Lewis...
So lol.

Shell and Upshaw are underweight, which I'm ok with and did think about. Shell wouldn't be giving up much weight in general match ups against 3-4 backers and 4-3 ends, however Upshaw would be giving up more significant weight differential. That's where his chemistry with Shell comes in, as well as his nastiness and smarts. Plus, you generally get more double teams inside, so help from Mike Webster is indeed great help, since Hutch at right guard isn't giving up weight.

Howie Long is 10-20 pounds less than some of the better 3-4 ends, so his athleticism, grit, determination and know how make that up for me easily.

Meth 12-09-2013 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strikta (Post 224390)
Why THE FUCK are ya'll in here talking about Adam Fartchuletout.

Smgdfhmfsbfmfs.

Anyone who put that scrub on their all time needs to never talk about pro ball EVER again.. rofl.

Lol, told you @CtrlF4

PancakeBrah 12-09-2013 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Certain (Post 224430)
Ehh, the top 10 skill position players would be nine running backs and Jerry Rice, though.

And you omitted the word "skill," which is what confused me.

I disagree with your nine runnerback contention.

Meth 12-09-2013 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swerve (Post 224388)
Lane over Lott.

Graham over Tony G. Sorry, but this might be the point at which I am far more Saint than you are.


I'm okay with the rest.

Of you run single back you gotta have a good blocking right end.

I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that Graham isn't that, lol.

However, has the potential, and body to be that.


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