Andrew Yang for president?
 

How do my American NCGs feel about this guy?

Heard the Joe Rogan podcast with him on. Really interesting ideas. Radical in the sense that no one else is pushing them, but with elements that might appeal to people right across the political spectrum.

Anyway, I dig how he doesn’t really virtue signal or dog whistle either to the left or the right, he’s very matter of fact and data driven. Refreshing af. Here’s a thing that we all agree is a problem, here’s my proposal to fix it.

I know we’ve got a pretty broad swath of political opinions here, am I right in thinking he’s pretty likeable to most of you guys?

Hes a dope dude. I disagree with 90 percent of his ideas and politics but I like him as a human.

Can you expand on that? Pick one of his major policies so this doesn’t get too broad. UBI maybe? Or take your pick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3UfIPyRlrE

Sup Dom

I like the business-centered approach to human/civic problem solving. Cynically, I think overemphasizing fiscal responsibility is the best way to bridge the political gap on social programs/entitlements. Don't know if he'd do well in the general though.

Klobuchar/Yang though....

ubi for sure. im not for redistribution of wealth. i think he's one of the free healthcare and college for all guys too.

basically all his leftist stuff but i don't disagree with him solely as much as the left as a whole.

my same problem with tulsi, although i find her the more attractive candidate. physically as well. see what i did there boom im the man

Why?

He says he’s for ‘the spirit of’ Medicare for all but doesn’t agree w ripping apart an industry that’s 18% of the economy.

He’s def not a college for all guy - talks about how college isn’t for everyone and shouldn’t have to be. I think his counter to Bernie’s college for all proposal is just that the UBI will make it easier for people who do want to go.

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your money should be your money.

Is he still trying to give families 1000$ a month?

Not families, 18yo+ citizens. So probably 2k/family in most cases.

Do you see any issue with the widening distance between the richest and the poorest?

Also,

to what extent do you believe a person’s wealth is a reflection of factors that person can control (eg work ethic, good decisions), both under the status quo and in your idea of an idealized system?

i like him most at the debates. i think he really shines / stands out and comes off authentic amongst mostly fakes. unfortunately the more i hear him talk recently the more he seems like he's evolving into a typical politician. not a fan of his healthcare or immigration language. he coddles big business too much imo like i think "human-centered capitalism" is pretty full of shit but i get what his target audience is. i think his stances on drug reform/ubi/data/voting reform are good and important. that plus his overall character/i believe him is why he's my #3

i like what you're saying in here tho

How do you feel about UBI vs $15/hr min wage + free college?

Edit: nvm, saw the climate thread lol

i support both. and we could afford both. but you know i grew up in ohio and there's a lot of similar states where min. wage is $7 and $8 something. $15 is $1000+ extra for them but also i just think it makes more sense to give people the ability to earn a much better wage themselves than to hand them money through a universal social program and allow companies to keep unacceptably low wages. free college seems like a no brainer to me, this includes trade schools. these are examples to me of yang shying away from putting any real pressure on a lot of big industries that deserve it

to answer your first question, not really. when looking at our "poor" and our "wealthy" overall its how it always was, if not BETTER, for the poor today. if you are looking at strictly numbers than sure the gap is widening because there are more 0's to throw around, but money doesn't equal contentment/happiness etc. modern technology and everything else affords the poor luxuries that the poor from other generations couldn't fathom, in terms of everything from food/housing to entertainment etc.

and to the second part i think a persons wealth, in a perfect world is dictated by their worth. jeff bezos should be paid ridiculous amounts of money for creating services that people want to take advantage of and use that makes their lives better. but no single person is dictating his worth, the masses dictate it because they fund him by using his services. with the same logic the single mother who works for amazon making "only" 15 dollars an hour, is only worth 15 dollars an hour. that is the job she sought out and accepted. if she is worth more, she will work towards bettering herself and building a career where she can make more.

basically i don't believe in a government entity taking money from any citizen because they believe another citizen needs it.

i also don't believe in the minimum wage though, and don't believe the government should dictate what anyone pays their employees.

who is the "we"?

the we is the richest country in the world that spends trillions of dollars blowing up and rebuilding other nations

Vote Warren

you get that the government doesn't pay every americans wages right

sure just fyi they are the number one employer though

the government is funded by us - UBI is a government program

business' make more money when you raise wages, maybe not the ones that make their money off putting profit into the stock market, they might have slimmer margins to buyback stock and pay executives, idc, the local / small ones that grow communities from the middle out will.

hopefully you realize big reasons bezos' service is so widely used by the public is because we're all broke and few realize the destructive nature of his business model

and the biggest reasons he was able to rise to this position using such low prices is taxpayer funded subsidies and undercutting competition by operating at a loss

Gross

who?

I registered Democrat to vote for Yang

Unless anything changes by primary time though I’m voting Bernie. Too close to not make it count towards the most viable best option.

nice

i'm all for yang's campaign but if he doesn't hit 15 in iowa i think he's gotta dip out quick

you understand normal people start businesses right?

not every business is an evil money hungry organization out to keep people down like the us government. some are just a woman wanting to open a restaurant or a dude putting together a landscaping company etc etc etc. what gives you the right to mandate they pay a wage they can't afford?

but realistically this is gonna be a useless back and forth because i think the minimum wage should be abolished. we are pretty much at the opposite ends on this issue

because of the third section of the post you just quoted, did you skip over that? it's a policy aimed to help the working class and small businesses the most. small businesses in america have been destroyed by amazon and walmart because amazon and walmart are all people can afford, they also absorb all of the jobs and pay as little as possible. when you give the working class a significant raise they all have more disposable income, and are much more likely to choose a small business over walmart/amazon because they can afford to have the type of economic ethics that can support community endeavors instead of the cheapest monopolies. an example local restaurants will get more customers because people won't be forced to resort to fast food and can afford to eat out or spend more on groceries at their local supermarket. etc. the velocity of the money grows

corporations used to have limits. income inequality was smaller then, obviously. there's no reason that resources should be allowed to be harvested extracted or hoarded at an infinite level. we have finite resources it makes no sense. each billion accrued by an individual extracts an amount of resources that could sustain 1,000 people for 16 years(based on average income, 3,000 would survive at a poverty level). this is why the underclass grows, this is why poverty grows, it's a result of infinite growth for those in a position to continue to consolidate power and control at the top while doling out the same abysmal minimum wage for decades and cost of living continues to grow dramatically

who?

Were you anti-Bernie or a republican at some point and have swung, or am I misremembering?

Or are you just anti abortion but lean left on most other issues?

I agree that "poor" in today's America is nothing like "poor" in other places and times. But that's because there is some semblance of a government funded social safety net to provide for those basic needs like food and housing. So you do have government taking money from some citizens via taxes to give to other citizens as welfare. Is your contention that this should be abolished, or that the level it's at now is about right and we shouldn't change it?

I agree that people with brilliant ideas should absolutely make a fuck ton of money for them. That kind of incentive is what drives innovation and progress. I'm not sure if you were still talking about your idealised world or real life with the poor person accepting the lower paid job but having the option to build a higher paying career if they chose it. I don't agree that that's practically possible for the majority of people at the bottom under the current system.

Which is why I really like the UBI. It's rampant capitalism with all the benefits that attracts, but with a non-zero floor which gives people a more realistic shot at social mobility. The welfare system as it stands disincentivises people from trying to do better for themselves and is an inefficient beauracratic nightmare to administer. UBI does better on both of those fronts.

who?

ubi is a nightmare. the goal is to make it where peoples needs are covered, meaning rent/food/utilities. its STARTING at 1k a month. the idea being that if people dont have to work to survive they can pursue their passions or whatever.

it completely disincentivises working for a living. as it stands at 1k a month, i could literally quit my job. my rents 550. my electric is around 100 my phones around 100. i'd sell my car and have 250 for food every month. i'd do nothing but leach off the system

i just feel like my views are different because im a piece of shit lmao. everyone i know is a piece of shit. people i know who are on welfare all sell the majority of their foodstamps for cash, why would giving them cash incentivize them more?

but yea i dunno, as for booth stating that if people made more money they would be willing to spend more at a mom and pops thats just ridiculous. i just bought and built a new pc. i have a ridiculous disposable income in terms of what i make vs. my bills/necessities. i didn't go to a random computer shop to help a local business, i bought everything off amazon and looked for black friday/cyber monday deals. why would i pay more for the same thing? thats retarded.

Second one

I have been a member of the libertarian party until this year

I’d say I’m pretty moderate there’s some other right leaning stuff I agree on but not much else big ticket items other than abortion just some constitutional stuff but even then not all of it

the disconnect here is you literally have no idea what most people in our country are like because you've only lived in a few very similar places and aren't the type of person that gets to know different types of people. other people have ethics. other people have interests they cant afford. other people would like to support their friend's endeavors but can't afford it. other people would eat healthier if they could afford it. other people would go do more things in their town if they could afford it. if that's something you can't comprehend, idk what to tell you. building a computer for as cheap as possible is not something most people care about

this is complete bullshit bro. who the fuck would want to stay in their house for the rest of their life, barely pay their simple ass bills, have $9 a day for food, and no car? like wtf are you talking about? no travel? no hobby? no money if you get sick? just bills and ramen? what makes you think anyone actually wants to live like this

its crazy that you're admitting people only work because their life depends on it, and crazier that you think that's okay.

there are countries where people work less than us and live better, despite having less money per capita, do you understand this?

so people receiving food stamps sell them for cash because it's more beneficial to them, so let's NOT give them cash in the first place and keep forcing them to sell their food stamps... because cash will... make them want to work less? even tho they're already turning it into cash?

Word so then you’d be CHOOSING to be poor. Another guy with the same income as you living paycheck to paycheck who wants to get ahead or build something for his kids is now able to by continuing to work hard or by switching careers to something more lucrative. That’s how it should be. People should be poor by choice, not circumstance.

Which is all not to mention that the idea of working for a living is fast becoming impossible for millions of people bc of the rise of AI. All the people working in call centers, retail, driving trucks... millions of them about to experience what people working in manufacturing went through. Even IF we somehow got a lot better at implementing retraining programs (success rate for people coming out of manufacturing jobs in these programs was around 15%), new jobs in different industries aren’t being created quick enough to fill this void.

I agree it’s disingenuous to argue that the entire $1000/month is all going back into the local community but for most people a reasonable slice of it will - there’s plenty of shit people will spend money on that you can’t buy online. Eating out at a restaurant, going to movies/concerts/sports events, child care, car repairs, blah blah blah.

I like the idea of 1K a month but watch, the price of EVERYTHING would rise exponentially if this was put in place.

Whom?