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uh-oh 02-23-2018 11:05 PM

Banning AR-15's
 
Do people not understand that I can purchase an american made AK right now for 700 bucks. (americanized of course, in the sense its just semi auto but still fires 7.62s)

what does banning one specific firearm achieve?

do people not understand it is simply a STYLE of weapon? in the "looks" sense.

these are serious questions. i'm just baffled by it.

if you are for banning a semi automatic rifle at least ban them across the board. i'd obviously disagree, but at least you wouldn't come off as so ridiculously silly about it.

Objective 02-23-2018 11:37 PM

That's the product and problem with politics how it works atm, enough people want change but not enough to make a significant change. It starts small and contunues from there. The same way can be said about drugs like weed, there will always be some common consensus and a place to start and then politics to political things and other politics keep politcking until it's been politicked enough and people (rich and poor) are happy. But they never are so everyone are stuck with shit solutions and stupidity such as your example.

Inno 02-24-2018 12:24 AM

Obesity kills more people

Ban forks and Seth

Objective 02-24-2018 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Innovator (Post 644115)
Obesity kills more people

At least obesity doesn't end up with some crazy teenager forcefeeding students to death with chocolate bars.

Enbombz 02-24-2018 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Objective (Post 644118)
At least obesity doesn't end up with some crazy teenager forcefeeding students to death with chocolate bars.

They are talking about giving teachers chocolate bars too.

Nick James 02-24-2018 03:15 AM

dark web sales just shot up

Mr. J 02-24-2018 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Objective (Post 644118)
At least obesity doesn't end up with some crazy teenager forcefeeding students to death with chocolate bars.



https://i.pinimg.com/736x/11/72/96/1...e-simpsons.jpg

Objective 02-24-2018 03:43 AM

I stand corrected to both of you

Geno 02-24-2018 03:58 AM

Verything starts with one.
Ban one.. Next thing u know...
Im against banning guns.

Its not gonna solve anything.
Its like.. What.. Ban guns and no one will have any?
I mean last time i checked there was a law against walking intonschools and slaying shit. People still do it though. Its not the guns. Or the laws. Its thebpeople. But we all know that.

Aero 02-24-2018 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by uh-oh (Post 644103)
Do people not understand that I can purchase an american made AK right now for 700 bucks. (americanized of course, in the sense its just semi auto but still fires 7.62s)

what does banning one specific firearm achieve?

do people not understand it is simply a STYLE of weapon? in the "looks" sense.

these are serious questions. i'm just baffled by it.

if you are for banning a semi automatic rifle at least ban them across the board. i'd obviously disagree, but at least you wouldn't come off as so ridiculously silly about it.


Do you believe in tougher gun laws or should I buy the site and IP ban you right now?

Enbombz 02-24-2018 06:35 AM

Everyone thinks their country is special or different but it's not. What works in one country will work in another give time. if everyone had guns here there'd be more of the same. People are people.

Objective 02-24-2018 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Sour joog (Post 644170)
Everyone thinks their country is special or different but it's not. What works in one country will work in another give time. if everyone had guns here there'd be more of the same. People are people.

That's true, but there's no debate in this when the evidence is as clear as it is in this case. There's been no decline in gun violence, a lot of them is due to easy access for kids to get to. Less guns and more safety regulations and control is the only option for the future of the US with the stats the past 30 years we're looking at. It takes a serious effort tho, half assing it or negkect won't work.

I've followed this debate closely for over a decad, since I was 15 or so. Went from pro guns and more lenient control to staying as it is here in Norway throughout the years. And that's heavily based on mistakes and crime committed from spontane actions recorded in the US that are not connected to organized crime/gang violence etc. I don't view my country as more special or less than the US, but I'd lie if I said it made sense for any country to continue like before if they were faced with similar issues given the circumstances they deal with today.

~RustyGunZ~ 02-24-2018 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Innovator (Post 644115)
Obesity kills more people

Ban forks and Seth

Me?

Nick James 02-24-2018 07:03 AM

japans got a population of 127 million ppl n barely sees 10 ppl get popped a year in the whole country.

thats crazy.. chicago sees more than that after a chief keef concert

Nick James 02-24-2018 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Objective (Post 644171)
That's true, but there's no debate in this when the evidence is as clear as it is in this case. There's been no decline in gun violence, a lot of them is due to easy access for kids to get to. Less guns and more safety regulations and control is the only option for the future of the US with the stats the past 30 years we're looking at. It takes a serious effort tho, half assing it or negkect won't work.

I've followed this debate closely for over a decad, since I was 15 or so. Went from pro guns and more lenient control to staying as it is here in Norway throughout the years. And that's heavily based on mistakes and crime committed from spontane actions recorded in the US that are not connected to organized crime/gang violence etc. I don't view my country as more special or less than the US, but I'd lie if I said it made sense for any country to continue like before if they were faced with similar issues given the circumstances they deal with today.


its rlly all about puttin these ideas in these kids minds. when u grow up merkin 10, 000 ppl a week in call of duty with ARs n dracos for ur entire childhood u tend to get comfortable with the idea of shootin sum shit up.

Ghost1 02-24-2018 09:13 AM

Scary when Geno has to come into your thread and answer it for u lol.

He's correct tho. As soon as u ban one gun it opens the door to ban more.

Destroyer 02-24-2018 09:14 AM

Exactly
And banning all guns is bad cuz then we can’t shoot and kill anyone!

Destroyer 02-24-2018 09:14 AM

If we could ban wordplay that doesn’t work both ways, I’d be good tbc

Ghost1 02-24-2018 09:21 AM

FORCED WORDPLAYS ARE THE FOUNDATIOM OF NC


look....banning forced wordplays will not end nbl robberies and cringey rb participation

We can't get rid of all of the existing forced wordplays and then we have to worry about barcotic smuggling them into the site from rb in his butthole.

Idk about you but I don't want to be responsible for cavity searching every rb member with an account here.

Broke Lesnar is manufacturing forced wordplays at an obscene rate at an off-site location (rb) and he simply cannot be stopped.

We need to be looking into the mental health of the wordplay users in my most humble opinion.

Destroyer 02-24-2018 09:22 AM

Thanks. I was waiting for uterus pond

Destroyer 02-24-2018 09:24 AM

Think about this though

What if we take some of the best site writers and arm them with unforced wordplay so that they could step in before the forced wordplay is seen and just edit that shit to some unforced wordplay? We could maybe train them in advance to recognize the beginning of the force, and intervene!

Amen 02-24-2018 09:24 AM

Won’t happen.

Ghost1 02-24-2018 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 644195)
Think about this though

What if we take some of the best site writers and arm them with unforced wordplay so that they could step in before the forced wordplay is seen and just edit that shit to some unforced wordplay? We could maybe train them in advance to recognize the beginning of the force, and intervene!

Des/ghost 2020

Ghost1 02-24-2018 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 644194)
Thanks. I was waiting for uterus pond

LMFAOO

Destroyer 02-24-2018 09:30 AM

Now accepting contributions from the sites NBLRA members in order to avoid the ban on long gun bars

Enbombz 02-24-2018 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Objective (Post 644171)
That's true, but there's no debate in this when the evidence is as clear as it is in this case. There's been no decline in gun violence, a lot of them is due to easy access for kids to get to. Less guns and more safety regulations and control is the only option for the future of the US with the stats the past 30 years we're looking at. It takes a serious effort tho, half assing it or negkect won't work.

I've followed this debate closely for over a decad, since I was 15 or so. Went from pro guns and more lenient control to staying as it is here in Norway throughout the years. And that's heavily based on mistakes and crime committed from spontane actions recorded in the US that are not connected to organized crime/gang violence etc. I don't view my country as more special or less than the US, but I'd lie if I said it made sense for any country to continue like before if they were faced with similar issues given the circumstances they deal with today.

The thing you have to remember is most smericsns haven't lost someone to gun violence so they aren't directly effected. Most have guns so your taking something away from the majority without them getting anything back.

If your scared of change, sometimes what feels the safest is to do nothing.

uh-oh 02-24-2018 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Sour joog (Post 644170)
Everyone thinks their country is special or different but it's not. What works in one country will work in another give time. if everyone had guns here there'd be more of the same. People are people.

they really aren't though. sure at our base level people are people, but culture plays an enormous factor

like japan being mentioned in this thread. they are a homogeneous culture. i mean hell they were isolationists for the longest, but it bred into them similar ideals, and pride in their nation.

america is different, you can't pretend to think america is like anywhere else. the first bit of "history" we learn is about how we rebelled against our government and "freed" ourselves from tyranny, and that it is our duty to uphold that tradition. we are a "melting pot" and all that nonsense. the problem with a melting pot is the ingredients don't want to mix. thats what takes time. iron melts at a different temperature than copper. etc.

we have swathes of different cultures and it is why we can be so divided

for some it seems like the easiest thing in the world to just say yea ban all guns wtf? because guns aren't a part of their reality. but i grew up with a 357 in my dresser, (my dads) had a 22 rifle and shit when i was like 11. i'd stay over at friends houses as a kid and they had shotguns and shit themselves just from the "hunting" culture. it was nothing. like oh shit thats cool man. we all knew these instruments could take our lives, but so could jumping out the window. it was just another thing

the main irritant in all of this is just the ignorance honestly. whether its a ban on "assault" style weapons because they have a pistol grip, or the belief someone is invincible with a shitty ar-15 because the bullets fly faster than a handguns lol. its just goofy

this is the one issue that could definitely lead to civil war in america.

best case scenario for the left is they ban the manufacture and sale of future weapons, and hell doesn't break loose. worst case scenario, they try to take the millions of "assault style" rifles already on the street, and america as we know it is over

uh-oh 02-24-2018 09:41 AM

also japan has ridiculous restrictions on guns. im pretty sure i read you have to pass written tests as well as shooting training, to get a shotgun lol. the police come to your house once a year to make sure both the gun and the ammo are locked up in different areas, and you have to repeat the tests every three years

it basically makes gun ownership useless.

~RustyGunZ~ 02-24-2018 10:17 AM

Banning anything does nothing

Enbombz 02-24-2018 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by uh-oh (Post 644203)
they really aren't though. sure at our base level people are people, but culture plays an enormous factor

like japan being mentioned in this thread. they are a homogeneous culture. i mean hell they were isolationists for the longest, but it bred into them similar ideals, and pride in their nation.

america is different, you can't pretend to think america is like anywhere else. the first bit of "history" we learn is about how we rebelled against our government and "freed" ourselves from tyranny, and that it is our duty to uphold that tradition. we are a "melting pot" and all that nonsense. the problem with a melting pot is the ingredients don't want to mix. thats what takes time. iron melts at a different temperature than copper. etc.

we have swathes of different cultures and it is why we can be so divided

for some it seems like the easiest thing in the world to just say yea ban all guns wtf? because guns aren't a part of their reality. but i grew up with a 357 in my dresser, (my dads) had a 22 rifle and shit when i was like 11. i'd stay over at friends houses as a kid and they had shotguns and shit themselves just from the "hunting" culture. it was nothing. like oh shit thats cool man. we all knew these instruments could take our lives, but so could jumping out the window. it was just another thing

the main irritant in all of this is just the ignorance honestly. whether its a ban on "assault" style weapons because they have a pistol grip, or the belief someone is invincible with a shitty ar-15 because the bullets fly faster than a handguns lol. its just goofy

this is the one issue that could definitely lead to civil war in america.

best case scenario for the left is they ban the manufacture and sale of future weapons, and hell doesn't break loose. worst case scenario, they try to take the millions of "assault style" rifles already on the street, and america as we know it is over

Just excuses though Innit really.

uh-oh 02-24-2018 12:12 PM

it depends on what you think im excusing?

its very easy to stand on the sidelines of an issue and give an opinion when the outcome of your opinion has nothing to do with you.

you also have no vested interest to look into the differing viewpoints so its easier to stand behind your initial premise, espescially when the side you aren't with is alien because you never experienced it.

Enbombz 02-24-2018 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by uh-oh (Post 644255)
it depends on what you think im excusing?

its very easy to stand on the sidelines of an issue and give an opinion when the outcome of your opinion has nothing to do with you.

you also have no vested interest to look into the differing viewpoints so its easier to stand behind your initial premise, espescially when the side you aren't with is alien because you never experienced it.

Well your excuse is your soo different to everyone else, you can't implement things that others have already done. To the outside world your just another country that is more capable than your making it out to be.

It's not a case of can't, it's a case of won't.

uh-oh 02-24-2018 12:33 PM

We won't, because we are different lol. The right to gun ownership is ingrained in our culture since day 1.

Enbombz 02-24-2018 12:47 PM

your perceived inability to change doesn't make you different though does it.

You don't even have to look outwardly, look a bit closer to home. Owning slaves was as American as apple pie. shit still changed and people were just as sure as you were it wouldn't.

Witty 02-24-2018 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by $chein Dolla $ign (Post 644217)
Banning anything does nothing

I mean that's demonstrably untrue.

I quite like that US citizens have the right to bear arms though, and of course to any normal human being it's simply a way to feel more secure in your home or w.e just don't give them out to any old raving lunatic. Psychological assessments seem like a rational idea. A gun is extremely dangerous in the wrong hands...I think more work needs to be done to keep them out of those hands.

uh-oh 02-24-2018 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sour joog (Post 644266)
your perceived inability to change doesn't make you different though does it.

You don't even have to look outwardly, look a bit closer to home. Owning slaves was as American as apple pie. shit still changed and people were just as sure as you were it wouldn't.

nonsense, it was something like 1.5 percent of americans at the HEIGHT of slavery owning slaves. it was never a RIGHT to own a slave. meanwhile 42 percent of households right now own a firearm. then you gotta look at the fact something like 80 percent of americans live in big cities, and alot of those bigger cities have the most restrictions and liberal gun policies because they are full of liberals, hence less gun ownership. (at least legally)

so guns are everywhere

lets pretend its not a "won't"

"can't" still is a pretty big factor in the matter when you try and lay out any plan for actually taking guns from americans who already have them. again, its the thing that will lead to a civil war.

its THE SECOND MOST IMPORTANT THING in our entire history behind being able to freely express yourself.

the only thing more american is freedom of speech, and our right to bear arms is a major factor in upholding that freedom as well as the rest

uh-oh 02-24-2018 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Witty (Post 644269)
I mean that's demonstrably untrue.

I quite like that US citizens have the right to bear arms though, and of course to any normal human being it's simply a way to feel more secure in your home or w.e just don't give them out to any old raving lunatic. Psychological assessments seem like a rational idea. A gun is extremely dangerous in the wrong hands...I think more work needs to be done to keep them out of those hands.

these are the type of arguments i can absolutely agree with

it just gets hairy when we begin to define what type of mental disorders or psychological factors keep you from acquiring a weapon. simple depression? or full blown bipolar disorder? simple anxiety? etc.

its just strange espescially when we look at the case of the latest incident, laws that are already in place could have stopped this from happening numerous times, but inaction and incompetence led to it actually going down. but lets put more laws in place when we can't even enforce those already in place?

its goofy

Enbombz 02-24-2018 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uh-oh (Post 644270)
nonsense, it was something like 1.5 percent of americans at the HEIGHT of slavery owning slaves. it was never a RIGHT to own a slave. meanwhile 42 percent of households right now own a firearm. then you gotta look at the fact something like 80 percent of americans live in big cities, and alot of those bigger cities have the most restrictions and liberal gun policies because they are full of liberals, hence less gun ownership. (at least legally)

so guns are everywhere

lets pretend its not a "won't"

"can't" still is a pretty big factor in the matter when you try and lay out any plan for actually taking guns from americans who already have them. again, its the thing that will lead to a civil war.

its THE SECOND MOST IMPORTANT THING in our entire history behind being able to freely express yourself.

the only thing more american is freedom of speech, and our right to bear arms is a major factor in upholding that freedom as well as the rest

The problem is guns have changed. The changes produce different results. You could learn a lot from the guns.

The amendment isn't a reflection of the time we are living in. If you look at the lay of the land of those times. You had a reason for everyone to have guns before the right to them. Now your right to a gun comes before reason.

I'm not saying you should have guns or shouldn't, but you can't expect change without trying to do things differently. Just because you give an inch doesn't mean you'll lose a mile.

You gotta come up with something better than arming teachers though. That's idea is literally retarded

~RustyGunZ~ 02-24-2018 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Witty (Post 644269)
I mean that's demonstrably untrue.

I quite like that US citizens have the right to bear arms though, and of course to any normal human being it's simply a way to feel more secure in your home or w.e just don't give them out to any old raving lunatic. Psychological assessments seem like a rational idea. A gun is extremely dangerous in the wrong hands...I think more work needs to be done to keep them out of those hands.

Any evidence of banning things working?

Enbombz 02-24-2018 02:38 PM

A child hasn't choked on a kinda egg toy since the ban.


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