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veritas 09-12-2016 08:02 PM

KNOW YOUR LEGENDS Vol 1: JOHN STOCKTON
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pf80CvfVpc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhkJzBBI4nc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4Ps5uNb0zU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0ro8a_vJOU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVQp1p5HFl4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdOOXkZcy40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOda65xzpJ0


Top PG ever. Top 5 all time.

uh-oh 09-12-2016 08:10 PM

top 5 pg

not top 5 all time

veritas 09-12-2016 08:13 PM

Wrong.

Top pg

Top 5 all time.

If you were to craft your all time great team....five guys....Stockton is the point guard. Top 5.

big baby 09-12-2016 08:21 PM

lamo dusnt work like sat idiyote

Saint 09-12-2016 08:44 PM

Well, for starters, this is your team:
Lebron James-Point Forward
Michael Jordan-Shooting Guard
Kevin Durant-Small Forward
Tim Duncan-Power Forward/Center
Hakeen Olajuwon-Power Forward/Center

From their MVP or best statistical seasons

And your coach is Gregg Popovich.

Certain 09-12-2016 08:46 PM

Gone at choosing Kevin Durant over Magic Johnson or Larry Bird (or Julius Erving or Oscar Robertson). What are you, 16?

veritas 09-12-2016 08:55 PM

See....you all can't even agree. Dead at LeBron as point guard. Smh


Watch that first video...even magic says stockton was the perfect point guard.

Provide assissts......yeah he is the all time leader....by light years lol

Play d....yeah he is the all time steals leader.....by light years lol..

Who else can say they are the all time leader in 2 tier 1 categories?

Just admit you are racist against him. I will allow that as a valid reason to not choose him.

Mr. J 09-12-2016 08:55 PM

Pete Maravich though..

uh-oh 09-12-2016 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by veritas (Post 603200)
See....you all can't even agree. Dead at LeBron as point guard. Smh


Watch that first video...even magic says stockton was the perfect point guard.

Provide assissts......yeah he is the all time leader....by light years lol

Play d....yeah he is the all time steals leader.....by light years lol..

Who else can say they are the all time leader in 2 tier 1 categories?

Just admit you are racist against him. I will allow that as a valid reason to not choose him.

i am racist against him.

Certain 09-12-2016 08:59 PM

Nah, I think we all agree that Magic Johnson was the best point guard.

Adonis 09-12-2016 09:01 PM

I wouldn't rank him above magic Johnson, pg FYI or Jason kidd for his defense as well as all around game. I also would take Westbrook and curry over him easy. Payton is right there too, he's borderline top 5, but probably yes, top 5pg all time.


Would he make the starting 5 all time? Depends on what you surround him with i.e the team needs.

veritas 09-12-2016 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Certain (Post 603203)
Nah, I think we all agree that Magic Johnson was the best point guard.

But magic in that video said in stockton was the best.

Good night certain.

I mean good night, certain.

veritas 09-12-2016 09:08 PM

What are the point guards responsible for?

veritas 09-12-2016 09:11 PM

Adonis I see you quoting Allen iverson...so you are no longer judged competent to be in this thread.

Uhoh admits racism against stockton. He is allowed to quality remain.

Certain says magic is the greatest but magic says stockton is. Limxkwodjjwjwiwjdjfjjwieif8fi. Certain...admit you are racist against stockton and I will respect your reasoning. Fair?

Certain 09-12-2016 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by veritas (Post 603208)
Adonis I see you quoting Allen iverson...so you are no longer judged competent to be in this thread.

Uhoh admits racism against stockton. He is allowed to quality remain.

Certain says magic is the greatest but magic says stockton is. Limxkwodjjwjwiwjdjfjjwieif8fi. Certain...admit you are racist against stockton and I will respect your reasoning. Fair?

What are you talking about?

https://twitter.com/MagicJohnson/sta...28370560876545

http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._id2=johnsma02

Inno 09-12-2016 09:29 PM

Jerry west

Saint 09-12-2016 09:38 PM

He'd have defensive problems at a high level though. Stockton grabbed a lot of steals because he had quick hands but he was by no means a ball stopper, especially in a league like this where the Pg most teams will have will likely be someone like Magic or Isiah Thomas or Steve Nash. He couldn't guard any of them.

Stockton WAS NEVER ESPECIALLY FAST. He was FUNDAMENTALLY GREAT. Very good shooter, high basketball IQ, basketball savvy. Gary Payton specifically had trouble guarding him because he had to fight through pick after pick after pick Stockton would call for. He WOULD NEVER EVER be allowed to dominate the ball like that on the same floor as Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant, the Utah Jazz was Stockton dribbling around, penetrating and dishing, running the pick and roll with Malone, taking jumpers. That is not going down on the same floor with Michael Jordan.. etc. So if he isn't going to bring that offensively, you're better off finding a more athletic guard who can give you more on the defensive end of the floor.

big baby 09-12-2016 09:38 PM

minorities cnt be racist only white Devils

big baby 09-12-2016 09:42 PM

also magic constantly has said people are the greatest and has come down on his own shortly thereafter. also, magic has a higher per, was a better scorer, and actually a better ball distributor, just because u have more doesn't mean you average more, especially when you played more seasons. beritas racist agents blacks!

big baby 09-12-2016 09:45 PM

my thread now


Get da Fuck outta BEEB office idiyote

veritas 09-12-2016 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Certain (Post 603211)



Well magic flip flopped certain.....maybe becuase of the aids?

Admit you are racist against stockton?

veritas 09-12-2016 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Infiltration (Post 603223)
He'd have defensive problems at a high level though. Stockton grabbed a lot of steals because he had quick hands but he was by no means a ball stopper, especially in a league like this where the Pg most teams will have will likely be someone like Magic or Isiah Thomas or Steve Nash. He couldn't guard any of them.

Stockton WAS NEVER ESPECIALLY FAST. He was FUNDAMENTALLY GREAT. Very good shooter, high basketball IQ, basketball savvy. Gary Payton specifically had trouble guarding him because he had to fight through pick after pick after pick Stockton would call for. He WOULD NEVER EVER be allowed to dominate the ball like that on the same floor as Michael Jordan or Kobe Bryant, the Utah Jazz was Stockton dribbling around, penetrating and dishing, running the pick and roll with Malone, taking jumpers. That is not going down on the same floor with Michael Jordan.. etc. So if he isn't going to bring that offensively, you're better off finding a more athletic guard who can give you more on the defensive end of the floor.



So your argument is that he basically was just amazing at what a point guard is supposed to do....but he is not athletic enough? Ok cool.

veritas 09-12-2016 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big baby (Post 603226)
also magic constantly has said people are the greatest and has come down on his own shortly thereafter. also, magic has a higher per, was a better scorer, and actually a better ball distributor, just because u have more doesn't mean you average more, especially when you played more seasons. beritas racist agents blacks!


Hey..... first of all great news! Haldol comes in a once a month shot now. It makes it easier to take. So that would be good for you.


Also....Stockton was literally the perfect point guard. Literally. His extensive career of amazing averages and records reflect this.

Also.....my boy stockton had mad heart. Dude was a savage. Played on the dream team with a broken leg. Gtfo.

veritas 09-12-2016 09:55 PM

Uhoh was honest....he admitted his stockton hate was pure racism. Who else will man up and admit this.

Looking at you @Certain

I can feel your hatred. Was it his short shorts? Or beaver cleaver swag?

veritas 09-12-2016 10:00 PM

http://uproxx.com/dimemag/john-stock...d-of-all-time/

veritas 09-12-2016 10:07 PM

https://memecrunch.com/meme/BJNJO/ce....jpg?w=400&c=1

big baby 09-12-2016 10:12 PM

u literally just sed he was good and didn't refute anything

just was like


na he's good tho


also da new drug of losah came in u should buy

Diode 09-12-2016 10:14 PM

Steph Curry.

veritas 09-12-2016 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big baby (Post 603242)
u literally just sed he was good and didn't refute anything

just was like


na he's good tho


also da new drug of losah came in u should buy


Bc I don't dignify nonsense with a cogent response. I legit feel sorry for you.

veritas 09-12-2016 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diode (Post 603244)
Steph Curry.


Montana.

big baby 09-12-2016 10:21 PM

my thread

veritas 09-12-2016 10:25 PM

Haldol. Decanoate. Once a month.

You can cop that Depakote liquid too for your depression.

That is all. Just want to help. You can't hurt me and I refuse to hurt you bc you are broken. Ok?

Sooo.....we can pretend this is your thread. We can talk baby talk and gay talk too. Fucka fun huh?

Allen Knight 09-12-2016 11:01 PM

magic johnson>john stockton

big baby 09-12-2016 11:03 PM

still my thread

Hearder Hearder 09-12-2016 11:16 PM

Eric Bledsoe top 5

Batty 09-15-2016 02:08 PM

John Stockton is one nigga I can't show anything but love for.

PancakeBrah 09-15-2016 03:20 PM

You really need to contextualize those statistics.

I know you're trying to be a super lol troll, but I'll take the bait.

John Stockton was never the best player on those great Jazz teams. The reason he has all those assists is because Karl Malone was a top tier, all time power forward. Now, Stockton is no doubt a big part of why that pick and roll was so vicious. But he was the ancillary part. Not replaceable, no, but the least important of the two. How can Stockton be a top 5 player of all time if Karl Malone isn't? The logic doesn't follow.

As for steals, they have been proven to be superficial and full of noise. A great perimeter defender doesn't necessarily have to have a lot of steals, and someone who has a lot of steals can be a poor defender. That's the problem with trying to quantify defense. Are you averaging two steals a game because youre reaching and in the end being a negative on defense? Or are you a legit defender who happens to pick his spots well? I don't have enough recollection of those Stockton years to say either way, though I doubt Stockton had the lateral quickness of a truly elite level perimeter defender.

So he was the second best player of an all time great duo. A top tier point guard. But he's no Magic Johnson. Magic was better at every facet of basketball. And in terms of pure point guard skills he was better. But he was in a different system and was asked to do different things.

Chris Paul is a much better point guard, just to name a current example.

A great player you're over rating for the purposes of a lame, transparent, obvious troll. We get it.

Ghost1 09-15-2016 03:43 PM

Solid rebuttal tbc

veritas 09-15-2016 07:20 PM

Someone with a recollection of the stockton years for a rebuttal plz? Cake is not a reliable source of opinion.he is in fact trolling in a serious thread while saying that I am trolling. That is low.

Mr. J 09-15-2016 07:51 PM

Seems like V trying to redefine Stockholm syndrome






































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