If those hacks miss the opportunity to have that horse be a Bran warg idk where to even begin

I expected them to utilize more than 5% of the plot they’ve been building for 8 seasons?

Looked kewl tho hehe rite on

Fuck off

It's like they give us information just to make a plot point out of it later

The second time Tyrion said 'if they ring the bells, stop fighting' I got echoes of "the crypts are the safest place in winterfell"

Trash writing - such a let down, did enjoy the world war 2 feels of the carnage though

Tell me what plot points you would like to have seen fulfilled. Hound's arc was full circle and ended tremendously (albeit predictably) along with his brother.

Dany turning has been brewing for years and happened in a blaze of glory.

Cersei dies in her brother's arms after we finally feel sympathy for her., her facade finally breaks.

Jon was wrong per usual and his honesty makes him vulnerable, one episode left to finish his arc.

Tell me the points they missed please, you realize most of the plot points have died already right?

How would you have wrote the show Knock?

10/10

I'll field the Cersei/Dany one if Seth doesn't want it

Please, the double turn was great to me

1) Dany going "mad" was stupid. I'm willing to accept the fact that someone who has spent 7 seasons on the right side of the people, wanting to free them from slavery and protect the innocents can lose their grasp on sanity and decide to just mercilessly kill thousands of civilians who had nothing to do with Cersei. The problem is that there was never any logical breaking point that would cause her to do that, apart from Missandei dying - which was so long ago in the story arc that Dany couldn't possibly have that kind of knee jerk reaction. It was completely out of line with her character and they didn't write enough detail into the story to make her going "Mad" a believable angle. In order for it to make sense, it has to be a spur of the moment sense of irrationality, not a premeditated pointless conquest of an army that already gave up and an entire city of civilians who weren't even part of the fight.

2) Considering how "Mad" Dany has gotten, let's also point out the fucking 10+ times Tyrion has fucked up on levels that could've cost Dany her life. So she's "Mad" but keeps giving him chance after chance to make fuck-ups that even Jon Snow would have him executed for. There's absolutely NO way that Dany can be the "Mad" queen that the writers are trying to depict her as WITHOUT her killing Tyrion by now. Her actions towards Tyrion are completely out of sync with the villain they're trying to (and failing to) depict her as.

3) At any time she literally could've just flown directly up to the red keep and burned Cersei alive and taken over all of Kings Landing without destroying the inhabitants. The "Jaime & Cersei trapped" angle is lame, but I'd like to assume that the writers are competent enough to not make that the way they die. That being said, I've been assuming that all season and I've been wrong so far.

4) Let's point out how retarded Jaime's character development has been. I was willing to give them a benefit of a doubt and wait until this episode before I passed judgment, but here's a guy whose character developed into showing sympathy, leaving his sister because he saw her for the monster she is, shared a long and elaborate history with Brienne, stood up for her and had Brienne stand up for him, knighted her, fought alongside her to defeat the Night King's army and ALL of that is COMPLETELY inconsistent with his random, unprovoked decision to take her virginity then leave and go back to Cersei. Again, like the Dany "Mad Queen" angle, it's not that I'm not willing to accept that Jaime is and has always had a love for Cersei that would cause him to switch side and go back to her. The problem is that it completely ignores ALLLLLLL the character development that he's had over the last few seasons. If they were going to be consistent with his character, it makes no sense that he would've slept with Brienne. They could've easily left that out of the storyline and just had him decide on his own that he misses and loves Cersei, he leaves, gets captured and everything else in the storyline is still EXACTLY the same. Jaime sleeping with Brienne was literally nothing more than the writers trying to create an "oh shit" moment while completely disregarding whether or not it's something that Jaime's character would actually do in that moment.

5) Doubling down on how awful the Brienne storyline was, how about when Tormund just said "Ah damn, that guy wants to fuck my woman? ok have fun" then disappeared back with the wildlings and they never mention him again. The fuck is that shit? Again, Tormund is the millionth example of them just trying to write some shit into the storyline and showing no understanding whatsoever of who these people are, how they act, or what motivates them.

6) There's barely any reaction from Greyworm when they killed Missandei, the entire story between the two could've been executed much better. They could've had Greyworm sacrifice himself and get killed in the process, or at least spaz out and try to kill someone e.g. the mountain does the beheading, greyworm attacks the mountain and most likely dies. Who knows, there's a billion angles they could've taken that are better than doing absolutely nothing with this storyline

7) The Hound going to kill his brother under the assumption his brother was going to die anyway is kinda stupid. Telling Arya not to go in, and Arya abandoning her plan to kill Cersei was stupid. Her getting trampled was stupid, hasn't she been developing some preternatural acrobatic abilities and now she can barely navigate through a crowded city? Overall, the Hound vs Mountain scene was cool so this is one of my smaller complaints about the angles they took.

I really tried to stay optimistic up until this point, I figured they'd eventually tie shit together to a point where this stuff makes sense but they've just somehow managed to tank the entire series this season.

This show is the million dollar baby of HBO

Lazy writing for a rushed finale.

This season has no rewatchability whatsoever

In protest of a rushed finale, I will not be watching.

1. Dany has been slowly losing her entire support system. Jon not returning her love was the "breaking point." I think it was mrant to be something small and gradual because thats the way Targ's are. Flip a coin and see where it lands.

2. I agree with this but the whole "then it shall be fear" thing. She had decided already that her reign had to be started with blood or no one would respect her in Westeros. That was the whole point of the convo with Jon, along with the previously mentioned shit.

3. I think we are meant to feel this way about Jaime, he is supposed to look like a sister whipped fuck boi. Him fucking Brienne was in a night of celebration where he found out she was a virgin and wanted to change that. You can see his face in bed afterwards, that he knew he made a mistake.

4. Wtf is Tormund gonna do, kill Jaime after he helped fight off the army of the dead? I feel like a trial follows that. Brienne never even acknowledged Tormund idk why everyone thought this was going to be a love connection, Jaime was always the story there

5. There was a whole scene where he slaughters like 20 unarmed Lannisters.

6. Arya was injured, i think it affected her skills like in ep3 after she hit her head.

I feel like we all had this ideal of how it was going to end instead of just enjoying what was written.

The thing was the last targaryen... Burn them all... Was legitimately mentally ill and with a history of insanity and sadism. Dany arcing toward that to make her a villain isnt the issue, I honestly think it could have been a good move fo the character if I were done well. My issue is with how she turned on a dime

I understand that her advisors being picked off (jorah/missandei) or losing her trust (tyrion/varys) would enable the worst to come out in her, but she's still proved time and time again she's been on the side of the people. Cersei even seemed to want to undermine it. The speculation was actually that cersei was going to destroy her character by making her look insane by tricking/provoking her into doing something so destructive.... But instead of being the cunning manipulator who managed to be queen, she was practically the declawed victim... But that's my gripe with cersei

For Dany, to echo what people here already said, she didn't really seem amply set up to murder civilians like that. I would've believed her going straight for Cersei (assuming cersei was going to go down like a joke) and killing the civs in the red keep, but this was just for the sake of the cinematography

It did look cool

No one is surprised or upset it’s not a happy ending

Good job being incapable of thought

Bleaks opinion on anything is dogshit

Please elaborate your complaints, since you havent. Show yourself capable of thought

Woah now, slow down with that Amen Jr shtick

I know we're arguing nerdy shit online but no need to go that route

Feel like answering my complaint?

I disagree with her turning on a dime. It was something you could see brewing for a long time, ever since she came to Westeros. The Westerosi people are not her people, this was the whole point of every scene where shes talking about how they love Jon but dont know her. She knew once the news broke about Jon that this was really her only option if Jon wasnt going to marry her.

As far as Cersei, she did play that card, her plan was to force Dany to do what she did. Once she did, its like oh shit she wasnt playing im fucked. It was foreshadowed, once again, in the scene with Jon, where she says that Cersei sees her mercy as a weakness. She probably feels that way about the entire country at this point. Cersei overestimated her fighting force as well, the dragon destroyed her defenses in like 2 minutes (which btw their plan for this on both sides was far better than the Battle of Winterfell)

They could have done many things that are stunning visually. I think we are just disagreeing on the character development, i think it was a fine transition. I can see where people may think it wasnt, but i was ready and accepting for any option. I think a lot of people wanted it to go down a certain way, and now that it isnt they wanna blame the writers.

it was a 180 degree turn.

dany is the defender of the innocent/breaker of chains/liberator/person of the people.

she became that because of how she conquered. the westerosi are her people. she was never given the opportunity yet until this battle to show that. instead she thought it was a better idea to burn everything to the ground

it was retarded, none of it was foreshadowed, it was forced by all the things you mentioned and rushed.

but its the shows own greatness at fault, when you had entire seasons to build up to a big event, full 8-9 hour long episodes of character development before some big event etc.

season 7 was a big turning point in rushinng everything and throwing logic to the wind. season 8 is hold my beer.

nah even before she came to westeros she showed that she could be brutal.

she crucified like half a city. burned a ton of people alive. fed a couple random dudes to the dragons just to send a message.

her advisers have kept her on an even keel, then she got to a point where she stopped listening. they've been building this up since season 1, it's just that this season is rushed af so everything seems abrupt now.

"I don't want to be queen of ashes"

And the Westerosi are her people. She's been saying that. She was born in kings landing and has said the crown was hers

I was fne with her burning the city - I come in with no expectations - but that was a weakly written downfall, which has been the story of this season. It seems like character decisions and twists are made for the sake of manufacturing drama and progressing the plot

Like, last week 1 scorpion >1 dragon. This week, 1 dragon > a literal army of scorpions

But those people were the 'masters' and it was retaliation for crucifying slaves. The dragons were the old masters who wouldn't play ball. I agree that it was rushed and they were building to it, but the snap manifested itself in such a retarded way that it didn't make sense... She wasn't on mad kind levels yet, and that was still strategic (if I'm going down I'm taking you with me)

The city was hers. The people were hers. She could have had everyone in the red keep. I could believe indiscriminate slaughter was in her downfall, but it was setup in a way that didn't suit the character (even where she's at now)

And I hated how they felt the need to say "when they ring the bells, stop fighting" directly to her then immediate effect before the battle. Basically "HEY GUYS DON'T FORGET THE BELL"

You’re being a baby about it so no

Yea the writing was trash for sure. I think it was an impossible task to try and finish this story in 6 episodes. They were doomed as soon as they decided to cut the seasons down.

I read somewhere that is was a budget thing, that they only had 75 mil and they couldn't get 10 episodes done for that. At least not with the quality that they wanted for cgi, effects, etc.

word it's wild tho it's one of the biggest shows on television

probably just the actors being mad greedy now lol cus they could have done 4 more eps between the big ones with little to no cgi to keep the pace a bit slower and give more build up. they must not be able to afford writers either though cus it's garbage. tyrion has 0 wit now.

the moment tyrion passed his progression in the books he fell off to making shit jokes and quips

but yea they were cleared for 10 episodes by hbo but they preferred to wow us with visual effects and shit instead of story and cut it

i think dan and db just wanted out altogether.

they said outright they wanted out. they were 100% the reason for this.

Well. I guess when given a template they decided to just submit the template as their homework.

Lmao

Grey Worm: “You do not speak here!”

Tyrion: gives an epic speech and picks Bran as the new king

Grey Worm: Cool well I guess we’ll just go to the beach. See you guys later

RIP the night king. The one true king of westeros.

Bran: I can never be Lord of Winterfell, I can never be Lord of anything, I'm the three-eyed raven.

Also Bran: I'm the King

All bran wanted to be was a knight. But he had to be a little perv and next thing you know he is the king of 6 kingdoms because the 7th was like nah im good and the others were like uhh i guess we'll stay together FOR WHAT THO

BTW let's not forget that in GRRM canon Grey Worm just got everyone massacred by the butterflies of Naath

We're going to Tahiti, Jon! Just have some goddamn faith!!

-Arya

Would’ve rather seen Danny and John rule with flames

I was ok with most of ep 1-4.5ish, but sheesh

Bran said "Why do you think i came all this way?" And i was done.

Bleak has such amazing opinions and insight on everything

Im sure most would agree with at least my opinions on one topic

Lol name it

I kept my kid up to midnight for that shit?