she did for sure. i posted while you posted and didn't see this lol. just trying to remember things that irritated me. it was few and far between

i don't think the battle of the bastards comes close to this. this was like hardhome for an hour. but i mean don't get me wrong

literally every battle in this show is fireeeee. from stannis at kings landing, battle of the bastards, hardhome, the shit on the ice, the field of fire lannisters/dothraki, the siege of mereen etc etc

this is the greatest fucking series/show/cinema whatever the fuck of all time easily.

Can't stop now dude the politics is what makes the series

question tho. is rhaegal dead? (jons dragon) ? drogon showed back up. didn't see rhaegal til after jon hit the deck

if i'm being honest as well i was hoping for alot more death. alot. they pulled a walking dead and only killed the ones we care least about.

but i like that the dead starks inn the crypt came up. i subscribed to that theory early.

i legit also thought sansa/tyrion was about to off themselves too

fuck that was a dope episode.

I’m kind of like what the fuck ever on this next war tho
Like after you defeat the army of the dead, is Cersei really even a problem?

or WAIT

was rhaegal the dragonn about to murk jon? assuming that rhaegal or drogon flew in didnt he? either way they killed the zombie dragon and knocked the night king off it. so when the night king raised the dead, did it also raise rhaegal?

assuming only the freshly dead were resurrected

god dammit

im never gonna sleep tonight

Bran is fucking useless.

Awesome episode but yeah not enough people died

At least Jamie or brienne should’ve gone out. Arya should have died killing the night king

Arya should never die wtf is wrong with you, man?

That arya jurassic park/raptors in the kitchen scene was cool

whoever killed him should've died

or at least someone other than fucking reek in that scene

are all the children of the forest dead?

who are the white walkers? was he a stark? does it mean anything if he was?

what did the white walkers want?

i feel like this is some true detective fuckery. how they set up all this weird intrigue and backstory of symbolism and motives and cult shit and just weird strange shit and then in the end its like woody harrelson and the lincoln commercial guy kill him and everyone is like uhh. so what did all that shit MEANN THO

WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN THO

GOD DAMN GEORGE RR MARTIN TO HELL

WE ALL KNOW HE AIN'T GONNA LIVE ANOTHER 30 YEARS AND FINISH THE BOOKS

THE SHOW AINNT GOT THE ANSWERS

my theory on them assuming he was lazy about it or wanted it to be ockhams razor is that they are just mission oriented based on their religion/history

I hope it's deeper than that, but yeah it could just be nah they are just out to wipe out the hoomans

Both dragons are in next weeks trailer

can confirm

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...400&height=228

"for about 3 years now we've known its gonna be arya that delivers that final blow"


they said other shit too that leads me to believe they took liberties with this. they mention jon being heroic and always saving shit and wanting to change it up

which leads me to believe jon kills him in the books, and or someone other than arya. they said it in the behind the episode shit and i just took it for ehh that seems strange

annd since GRRM has stated nnumerous times he's given them the outlines and ends to the main characters it isn't going to be exact, except for the end which will be bittersweet or whatever

which leads me to believe that the night king dying is all that really matters, and doesn't have an effect on the fates of arya and jon good or bad

the bittersweet thing could be anything. cersei winning lmaooooo. dany lost 90 percent of the unnsulllied and 100 percent of the dothraki. who knows how many northmen are dead and whoever else rallied to the cause

cersei has the golden company, the lannisters and the majority of the iron islanders

or maybe dany and jon win, and dany murks jon because she's power hungry as shit

the hound still has to face the mountain as well.

im going to sleep.

hound kills mountain in le epic battle

becomes azor ahai

Dynasty Warriors hero character style fucking rekz golden company and everyone else like a madman

HE SITS ATOP THE IRON THRONE

LAST 5 SECONDS TAKES FACE OFF

ITS JAQEN

Little fingers dagger yall

Azor lived and died

thought about it

Enjoyed watching the episode, but I'm pretty disappointed by the NK thing

I don't mind good triumphs over evil but the nk is literally death... this is the main antagonist in any sense, so now our heroes look like they're panzer tanks of plot armor and don't really look like underdogs without some overly convoluted edge for cersei

what's she got? boats?

and that leaves the first part of this vision as less obvious now that one of the most likely representations of snow on the iron throne (which, Dany didn't touch) is gone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gulVUWrADCM

so

just gonna sit around for 3 weeks with the season's likely climax behind us and enjoy Robb Stark marches south part v2.0



yeah i'm feeling great directing with an iffy script

calling it now Tyrion is a secret Targaryen, Sam becomes grandmaester and designs a prosthetic cock for Gray Worm, and Jamie marries Podrick

Winds of winter has the horn which will take down the wall as its cover. This plus tyrion being a targaryen in the books (not the show) is just another huge difference.

I dont think the night king takes a dragon. There is one for dany jon and tyrion. The other aegon will die for sure.

But i largely agree. This entire series is about the white walkers. The very first chapter and first scene. The politics and everything else was an aside, distractions building up for the second coming of the long night.

The show itself is to blame. Theyre just burning through everything i think and cutting out tons of shit.

EURON FUCKING SAILED INTO THE LEGIT HEART OF OLD VALYRIA AND HAS AN ENTIRE SUIT OF VALYRIAN PLATE ARMOR. HE HAS A HORN THAT CONTROLS DRAGONS.

in the show hes a slithering weirdo tryna fuck cersei? Cmon

But yea man.

Whats dead may never die. Here is to hoping that there is more in the lands of always winter. The night king was really the night lieutenant. Or somethong

I dont think what they wanted was ever the point. They wanted death. They are death.

That shit was phenomenal and i actually cared about reek so fuck off, that death was tough. I thought it was all over, literally no chance. The show has been programming our heads to think that no saving grace ever occurs in westeros.

They used the old trick of bringing the protagonist to the very end, but he is always saved, after using the opposite throughout the entire series.
Thats what made Ned's death so impactful, the fact that we were all still thinking, as hes about to get sent to the wall, oh hes fine hes got plot armor. Then no head. Same with the Red Wedding, they actually do it multiple times with separate characters in the same scene.

Who can really say they thought anyone was about to live? I thought Sam died 4 times, that final scene where Jaime and co get surrounded.
Its a curveball in THIS show when Arya flies through the air, AND THEN THEY EVEN MAKE YOU THINK SHE IS ABOUT DIE, when he catches her.

I agree that maybe a couple more deaths (i predicted 10) but hot damn what a fucking experience

Also yeah Euron was a total badass in the books, maybe he will show some cool shit in the battle to come

Plus that fucking Arya Clancy scene was dope af sneaking around and shit twas like a video game. A lot of that episode reminded me of a video game.

I dont think they killed the first zombie dragon (Vis) he just fell out of the sky

But they never showed Rhae so who knows, i thought Drogon was a goner

Wow

GOAT episode for sure

Agree the library scene was tense

I think the red milf telling arya she was destined to kill blue eyes made it clear she would kill the NK

Maybe would have been better if she died it was a little too easy imo and she’s my fav character. Fuck it

Uh-oh, I feel like you've researched medieval warfare

What do you think about the tactics used by thr good guys? Specifically, the formation of calvary running off to doom-> infantry-> caltrops - > seige weapons used once and never again really broke the immersion for me

Feeling like we got Helm's Deep reloaded but replaced the logic with eye candy... And that's a battle where 'throw the dwarf' was a viable tactic
@bleak Danny's two dragons are in the episode 4 preview and I'm pretty sure everything the nk turned went with him (dragon included)

sharp I feel like that’s being really finicky bro

Any tactical irregularities can be offset by the fact they were fighting death imo

But YO the Dothraki riding to their doom in literally 20 seconds was terrifying

YES
Dothraki went out so fast
Unsullied kept it real tho

I'm supposed to be invested in this battle as mankind's last stand against death when the strategies are just aimed a cinematic experience?

Well directed, not sold on the writing. Now that I'm over watching it, I'm not a huge fan. Battle of the bastards had an unlikely scenario that had a logical opening (the thing with Rickon) that didn't kill immersion with 'why is that happening'

Winter fell at Winterfell
Pretty apropos, no?

horses cost an ungodly amount of budget money

Jesus Christ get this man a whiskey

See, I drank while watching and got more nitpicky

You don't think this a slight departure from the norm in show that's been so heady with politics/betrayal/lore? Feels more to me like fanservice for the TV audience now that they've split from the books

Did Cersei use all the wildfire when she blew Sept of Baelor? If she still sitting on that, I'm scared.

It is a 100% that

Gotta keep the huge fan base invested and only kill fodder characters. God forbid they killed dany or Jon or Arya

Nah fellas I agree with you both 100% on that. Boils down to what uh-oh was saying about the writing being levels below since the show surpassed the books

No way would everyone survive otherwise ie if the books were ahead

It did feel watered down like even Grey Worm survived. Come on now. They killed the OG ranger for no reason too saving Sam smh cliche

But word

Edd dying was a forgone conclusion. I'm guessing they're keeping the rest around to milk later. since it's more about the visuals than the plot, I'm interested in experiential aspects but it kind of sucks to have all of that build up for a big ol 'YAAAASS GRL' when the first 5 seasons were anything but that

I’m guessing at least one of the brothers gets got

And either Jon or dany by the end

But it’s pretty disappointing that Avengers was less forgiving with its characters than the battle against death lol

Your mom is pretty disappointing

Ehhh it wouldnt have been my plan. My main gripes were the undefended siege engines that werent firing until the charge was already under way. They would be first. Trebuchets raining death. I wouldve had the dothraki on the flanks and had the unsullied actually in phalanx mode in front of the trebuchets. Locked formation shield to shield, when it zoomed out and showed them like 3 feet from eachhother i was like wtf.

But yea in their defense the dothraki are legendary in the open field. But not the show dothraki. Theyre modeled after steppe tribes, scythian/huns/later mongols, but show dothraki dont fight with bows as well. They fight like heavy cavalry, yet have no armor.

So yea, i would have the unsullied and the majority of the infantry holding the center, even have the dothraki around the back so the dead funnel more to the center, trebuchets and arrows raining until contact. And just hammer and anvil both flanks with the dothraki after the main host is engaged. Then have dragons firing into the center of the encirclement

If its over run the trench works good and get everyone ON THE WALLS. There should be no space along that wall. Anyone else manning gates for giant breaches. Also i would employ actual wall defenses. Something as simple as stones to drop on them.

But thats pretty much all that can be done. Once the walls are breached the battle itself is lost. You just gotta hope you kill enough initially to make the defense of the walls feasible

Cringe

But yea an unsupported night time cavalry charge of unarmoured horsemen into the enemy ranks that you cant even see makes no sense at all.

Also i dunno man cuz theyre dead already so you habe no option of breaking their will to fight which flanking tactics produce.

In actual war, even modern war its wiser to leave a route for the enemy to flee. If you give them no route to flee you harden there resolve. If your surrounded on 3 sides youre fucked, but that 4th side is in the back of your mind. You can turn tail and run.

But they are mindless death. So you would need full on battle of cannae or for my GoT people battle of the bastards encirclement. The problem there is how vastly outnumbered they are. And they aint worried about trampling there own. So its different

In the end im fine with how it went. My main issues were the lack of wall defense, and the unsullied which are basiclly hoplites fighting in loose formation. But literally the only battles ive ever seen done right was the first scene in th hbo show rome. Battle of the bastards was still cinema'd up with the chaos and carnage of unorganized 1 on 1 fights everywhere. It got more realistic when the pikemen arrived tho

There were things I liked and disliked about ep 3.

Pros:

- Arya coming in to kill the NK was dope
- The way lyanna went out was dope (just wish they showed the giant doing more damage first, possibly killing a B-list character like Gendry or Podrick first)
- Beric being brought back to life all those times for the sole purpose of protecting Arya
- Theon getting some balls and going after NK shows character development

Cons:
- Bran is still a worthless piece of trash character. Literally feels useless in every sense and I had figured maybe he would have some significant purpose vs the night king.... he didn't
- Sending all the dothraki out by themselves to get slaughtered was retarded
- The first like 20 mins was all blurry as shit and hard to see much of anything going on. I get that it's supposed to be snowy/blizzarding, but fuck, it was bad quality television
- They really underutilized the conflicts coming from the dead rising in the crypt (everyone knew it was going to happen but they didn't really focus on it much)

Overall, I was kinda disappointed in the episode but the more I think about it the more content I can be with what it was. My biggest disappointment is how unfulfilling it seems that the NK is dead. Pretty much everything Sharp said. Like, I understand that they're trying to build to a bigger crux of fighting against Cersei and possible fighting against each other for the throne - but this was literally the single biggest build-up for most of the original seasons and now it just seems sort of like a side-quest.

But my assumption is that it's gonna be Dany vs Jon at the end of it, and each will have their own dragon. But Dany clearly doesn't have dothraki anymore. Idk, will be interesting to see what happens.

On the topic of military tactics, and assuming that everyone was oblivious to the fact that the NK would raise dead in the crypts - it would've made the most sense for them to have more fighters stationed in the crypt. When you're drastically outnumbered the way they were, the best thing you can do is retreat into a cave or something with only one point of entry, which will limit the number of nightwalkers that can get into the cave at any one given moment. Fighting them in an open field where they can surround you is fucking stupid.