are you saying because bernie sanders is a politican that he can't have integrity?

I am saying that the odds are against him and that he is most likely a puppet to gently slide in another longer term agenda.

Do you understand or would you like me to elab Boof?

veritas approaching chyeahhh territory with his apocryphal garbage conspiracy etymology

way to hang out with sub dirt.

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(lol)

You can't use what your agenda stands for to make fun of your agenda....well you could...if you were too dumb to see how it contradicts itself.

HAHAHA!! You gottdamn right I am unapologetic. What would I be apologizing for? SLAVERY?

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my family is from the middle east, lol

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Let me ask you a question first...


Would it be unfair for a black business to refuse to hire white people?

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Let's make this really interesting, everybody reveal their voting history on the count of 3.

@crickets to thread

Ron Paul 2008, Gary Johnson 2012

this nigga beritiaas said conversate like it was a real word lmaooooooooooooo FUCKA idiyote!!!

Demolished at poly tic and White BET

My only problem with American politics is, there are many people willing to vote for Trump.

If I had a vote it would have been for Bernie, but now it looks like Hillary will be the winner...but if you honestly, having taken all arguments in to account, and given fair evaluation to all, still vote for Trump...I just don't think you're a rational and logical human being.

Hillary is far from perfect...very very far...but even she is better than having President Trump...and I have yet to find a single person outside the USA who disagrees...it's strange how the biggest country in the world can be so utterly insular.

jesus christ where do I begin.

Its simple really man. If you look past headlines and into policies its easy to see why people prefer trump. Its also easy to see why people prefer bernie. I dont understand why anyone prefers clinton over anyone.

Personally i think youre all nuts

First off let me just say I pretty much nailed predicting the 2012 primaries and General.

And 2016 so far so good, as I made many predictions Before Iowa at the end of February which are still holding strong. (here on a netcee thread)
And then I had a March FB post which went into more accurately predictive detail.

Unfortunately I'm just a good prognosticator and fact checker, so don't expect a solutions-post from me.. yet..

Long story short Hillary is going to win. It might be closer than some pundits think. But I still don't give Trump a chance against her. It's a numbers game with demographics. It's a ground game with political machine. It's, frankly, a "where the electorate is" game, with the country being "lefter" than it has in some decades... a traditional Republican would be creamed in a general, even with Hillary's baggage. Trump is literally their best shot of winning, due to his broader appeal and wildcard antics. But. Hillary will be the next pres.

Moving right along........
I was thinking about going through diligently, and t@gging specific people and responding to quotes, but if you don't mind I'm just gonna start jumping around and bulletpointing.

-Socialism is not Communism, and democratic socialism is not pure socialism.
Are your parents on Medicare? Pretty nice. Socialism.

-We must ask ourselves why Canada, Australia, and Western Europe can provide health care to everyone and do it far cheaper.. Sure, maybe there's some better specialists in the states, and some higher level medical shit for rare diseases and disabilities. But let's take a look in the mirror here people.

-Sander's couldn't get 2% of what he wants done through a Republican Congress. Agreed.
Now, Please tell me why it would be ANY different for Hillary, even if her proposals are more modest or watered down.
It wouldn't be different. She is their sworn enemy. Being white and being born here (joke) would not stop the obstruction.
And if something did get through, she'd be signing some poison-pill goodies for the Rightes along with whatever goods she wanted.

-The housing bubble collapse and global financial meltdowns had numerous factors.
Glass-Steagal as @Diode referred to can be considered the linchpin moment, because it allowed Commercial Banking to be mixed with Investment banking.
Then we have rampant speculation, over-leveraging, phony credit ratings, shitty bundled loans (mortgage backed securities, credit default swaps, abuse of derivatives and other complex instruments)... let's see, yes Fannie&Freddie (both parties fkd up), NINJA loans, poor oversight and lack of enforcement on all of the above.
There's a lot more. Long story short Diode is not wrong about Glass-Steagal being a big deal, whatever you may think about him personally.

-@uh-oh your paragraph about union jobs and cleaner energies was filled with so many inaccuracies, I almost couldn't get to the end of it. I think boof tried his hand at dissecting it... I would have done it differently, but just know that it's quite off base.

-@Batty &others
This complete lack of trust or outright dismissal of data, charts, and statistics is a little concerning to me..
Is everything perfect and reliable? No. But should we dismiss every study& stat that doesn't align with our views? No.
Is black unemployment (especially youth), substantially greater than the overall unemployment rate. YES
Could 40 new black guys at your orientation be due to the fact that the vast majority of the unemployed people in the area were black? until they got hired there? YES
And this is coming from someone who opposes Affirmative Action and ideally I think we should be colorblind... But, I'm not going to ignore facts.

-K, back to the election for a minute.
The silver lining in this circus is: now people know how truly, truly, fucked up this 2 party stranglehold is. In general.
Specifically with respect to the Primary system it's a rigged game. Trump's got that right. I live in New York; we have a fucked voting system.
And alongside all of this, Republican state legislatures have been trying to make voting harder. This is undeniable and, frankly, disgusting.

People who were uninformed probably had no idea the Primary system was this dumb. And people like me.. who know a lil' bit.. still, I didn't know HOW bad it was until this cycle.
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-Our country needs to do away with superdelegates, probably regular delegates too, and yes toss the Electoral College out the window while we're at it.

-Somehow the 2 party stranglehold must be at least marginally disrupted.. Other parties/ candidates can't even get on 50 ballots. Even if they have $$ (a requirement), there are so many hoops to jump through it's ridiculous.

-@veritas lol keep the Robber Barons happy.
How about this... come to our state... State X... Zero taxes of any kind for, let's say... 10 years... just for settling here (but don't worry you can still whine about taxes),

-Your subway sub prices are going up because Jenny got a raise from 8.50 to 9.75 per hour. That greedy little wench. No other reason than these greedy workers.

- I lied, I do have a solution for something:
Employers: Hire an illegal?
PAY A SMALL FINE AND TOLD NEVER TO DO AGAIN
Hire many illegals?
PAY A LIL' BIGGER FINE AND TOLD NEVER TO DO AGAIN
Second or Third strike?
HEFTY FINE, PROSECUTION, POSSIBLE JAILTIME (FOR BREAKING THE LAW)
WOOPS, I JUST SOLVED ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

Newsflash, neither party wants to fix immigration one damn bit (but moreso Republicans, they need it as a wedge issue).

2l0ng d1dnt r3@d

@boof,

I've heard this from many a Bernie fan... that they will never vote for Hillary.

Just watch.
Maybe you won't, and a few friends you know won't.
But on the whole, they will hold their nose and vote for her.

And if not, then my prediction will be wrong and we can let the Trump fun begin.

^^that was said about Hilary supporters for Obama. As long as bernie throws his support behind Clinton she'd be fine

@uh-oh I'ma need to see the policies you refer to. No agenda straight curiosity

But yo


Has anyone else been thinking about the presidential election like the NBA?

Republicans run a 3rd party establishment candidate who guarantees a Hilary win BUT brings disillusioned traditional Republicans to polls so they maintain more seats in Congress. Because Congress inevitably turns against the president during midterms (at least for the last 20 years) they can aquire more seats on 2018 meaning they're poised for a huuuuge payoff during the 2020 redistricting

They're fucking tanking guys

i'm assuming you mean trumps?

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions

other than the wall buffoonery i'm ok with all of that and agree with alot of it.

if you never look into what his plans are and just listen to the dumb shit he spews to stay in headlines than its easy to hate him. but if you look into his actual stances its not hard to believe why he gets so much support @Witty

but again, like with bernie or any of them, i don't think they'll get pretty much anything done. i'm still surprised obamacare is a thing personally.

so hopefully when trump beats hillary the one thing he can get done is repeal it.

You want me to complain about Mexico paying for the wall or China first?

you can complain about them both lol, my only beef with the china one is the increased military presence in the south china sea. but if you can school me more on that i'm willing to listen. the wall is nonsense just in principle. its not gonna stop anything.

but im with the healthcare and va reforms, tax reforms and i dig the second amendment. im with da orange faced floppy haired goon on those issues. and its why i prefer him over both democrats.

thats just me though.

I'm so tired but I just don't get how his supporters are for the government overreach required for the wire transfer deal... Or how if the corporate tax reduction and getting China to cut back on shady practices (if they can) would bring manufacturing jobs here.

Second amendment isn't a huge issue for me but VA reform's one if the reasons I like Hillary lol. Didn't read Trumps yet, I'll check it later


https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/veterans/

I like what Hill dog's got going on here tho