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oats 06-25-2013 05:19 PM

yeah def not top 25. It's debatable whether or not he's even the best PG to come out of that draft.

Thing is, he's too one-dimensional to be great. He's the best pure scorer of his generation, but that's one facet of basketball. Props to his MVP and scoring titles, but that's about the end of his ledger when it comes to anything significant (ROTY isn't that big of a deal tbh). When he was playing, the eastern conference was the JV compared to the West, and he only managed one finals appearance. Compare that to Jason Kidd, who took an equally untalented team to the finals more than once, all the while not being a great scorer. AI was an individual talent, didn't make anyone around him better. That's the mark of a great player.

Top 10 guard, possibly top 30 all time, but his career isn't impressive enough to warrant that upper-echelon of all time.

God Of War 06-25-2013 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Untold (Post 83911)
Do they recognize it? Homies got the P. Mac named after him. Short for Pete Maravich. Dude was undeniably good, too bad he died so young. Very underrated player in my opinion

he the rgeatest ncaa player to ever play and still holds records there

also was a beast in the nba

fuckin pistol was that dude lol

God Of War 06-25-2013 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by oats (Post 83922)
yeah def not top 25. It's debatable whether or not he's even the best PG to come out of that draft.

Thing is, he's too one-dimensional to be great. He's the best pure scorer of his generation, but that's one facet of basketball. Props to his MVP and scoring titles, but that's about the end of his ledger when it comes to anything significant (ROTY isn't that big of a deal tbh). When he was playing, the eastern conference was the JV compared to the West, and he only managed one finals appearance. Compare that to Jason Kidd, who took an equally untalented team to the finals more than once, all the while not being a great scorer. AI was an individual talent, didn't make anyone around him better. That's the mark of a great player.

Top 10 guard, possibly top 30 all time, but his career isn't impressive enough to warrant that upper-echelon of all time.

id like to see your top 25

God Of War 06-25-2013 05:31 PM

@Untold i thought jason williams was going to be a new pistol pete from the way he handled the ball and shit but i got let down a bit. he was still a dope ass player tho n could almost handle the ball like pete could

oats 06-25-2013 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by God Of War (Post 83931)
id like to see your top 25

In no particular order, just off the top of my head:

Mj
Magic
Bird
Kareem
Russell
Robertson
Shaq
Kobe
Duncan
Wilt
Erving
Mikan
Isaiah Thomas
Jerry west
Barkley
Malone
Stockton
Hakeem
Ewing
Drexler
Moses Malone
Pete Maravich
David Robinson
Pippen
Lebron


There are still a number of players that I'd still put ahead of AI.

Mike Wrecka 06-25-2013 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by oats (Post 83949)
In no particular order, just off the top of my head:

Mj
Magic
Bird
Kareem
Russell
Robertson
Shaq
Kobe
Duncan
Wilt
Erving
Mikan
Isaiah Thomas
Jerry west
Barkley
Malone
Stockton
Hakeem
Ewing
Drexler
Moses Malone
Pete Maravich
David Robinson
Pippen
Lebron


There are still a number of players that I'd still put ahead of AI.

great list. I have no complaints with those players. I might throw Clyde Frazier in there somewhere but im biased as a Knicks fan.

so exactly who would you AI lovers take off that list to add Iverson?

oats 06-25-2013 07:41 PM

Frazier is a beast.

Not to mention guys like Gary Payton, Shawn Kemp, Jason Kidd, KG, Dirk, etc who are all debatably better than AI all time. Iverson is AT BEST top 30, but even that's a stretch.

Paradigm 06-25-2013 08:12 PM

vastly overrated but still Top50 player def top100 all time.

Geno 06-25-2013 08:36 PM

id take of zeke or barkley to add ai

as far as im concerned ai fits just as well as they do

Joe Metts 06-25-2013 09:13 PM

Yea just take barkley off. A top 2 power forward of all time.

Geno 06-25-2013 09:19 PM

fuck it, ya know?

Geno 06-25-2013 09:20 PM

lb for lb i got ai over barkley all day

Joe Metts 06-25-2013 09:29 PM

I got 10 guys in the nba today over AI lol

Geno 06-25-2013 09:32 PM

hahahaha, i guarantee its truth to. i tell you what though, i went to a sixers game when i was in philly still.. ai and eric snow put on a hell of show. but ya.. that dont get you top 50.

Philly 06-25-2013 09:34 PM

Shawn Kemp for top 25 all time consideration...

Are you twiddling my fuckin twat right now?

Allen Knight 06-25-2013 09:38 PM

payton>rain man

SiK 06-25-2013 09:39 PM

David Robinson def not top 25

oats 06-25-2013 10:45 PM

1. Never put Kemp in top 25, just in the same category as AI. Probably a little under though.

2. D Rob not top 25=you don't know shit and/or you didn't start watching bball till 2002

SiK 06-25-2013 11:05 PM

Oats your a poet who dresses like a tree hugging faggit. wtf you know about sports

oats 06-25-2013 11:11 PM

Sik, I'm better than you at everything.

Oh and I played college ball. Run along now.


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