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Destroyer 07-06-2015 07:40 AM
I'm gonna expound on this at a later date. Consider this a first installment.
I'll take the L with a smile. But let's be honest with each other. This is some remedial shit happening here in this league. I'll sign back in if voting gets better and you topical guys stop sucking each other off in each thread. The picture that Inno and I used was of a child playing a trumpet, with another child playing a trumpet into his ear and a bird flying around behind him. From that, Inno crafts a nice piece about a juke joint. And then I have people telling me I didn't utilize the picture well enough? There's two fucking children in the picture and he wrote about cigar smoke and whiskey and people are telling me I didn't use the fucking picture properly? I got Objective telling me that my fucking punctuation is not good enough, like I even use punctuation on the regular. Step your pen game up gentlemen, and stop voting for names because it's not a good look for the poetry league.

Split Eight 07-06-2015 07:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 500660)
I got Objective telling me that my fucking punctuation is not good enough, like I even use punctuation on the regular
gone

sorry to lose you for now Des. I liked your poem

Objective 07-06-2015 08:47 AM
@Destroyer: I could give less of a fuck whether I voted for you or Innovator. I do not plan on changing my ways of voting so it suits you or anyone else unless there is a valid reason to do so, at the moment I don't see it. The voting and criteria in a poetry league shouldn't be the same as in a topical or any other battle and I'm going to continue to put certain things higher than others (such as punctuation in this particular league whereas I could give less of a fuck in a topical and even non-existent in a battle) and put shit to light if I think there's places the piece could be improved.

Split Eight 07-06-2015 09:36 AM
AND THUS

the first Elements subject shall be: punctuation
@Vugar @Innovator : working on my part for the mag now

Vulgar 07-06-2015 09:52 AM
lol

@Destroyer

Taking an L in the poetry league is not really that bad at all. The "mood" of wins and losses over at RB's poet's society was not anything serious. I guess that'll catch on eventually, with time here.

@Innovator That thread concept is a good idea, but yes, less entertainin'

Intro & Power Ranks will be written and sent by today.

Witty 07-06-2015 10:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 500660)
I'm gonna expound on this at a later date. Consider this a first installment.
I'll take the L with a smile. But let's be honest with each other. This is some remedial shit happening here in this league. I'll sign back in if voting gets better and you topical guys stop sucking each other off in each thread. The picture that Inno and I used was of a child playing a trumpet, with another child playing a trumpet into his ear and a bird flying around behind him. From that, Inno crafts a nice piece about a juke joint. And then I have people telling me I didn't utilize the picture well enough? There's two fucking children in the picture and he wrote about cigar smoke and whiskey and people are telling me I didn't use the fucking picture properly? I got Objective telling me that my fucking punctuation is not good enough, like I even use punctuation on the regular. Step your pen game up gentlemen, and stop voting for names because it's not a good look for the poetry league.
The topic is just used for inspiration, it does not have to be followed exactly, though it can be if you choose to do so.

As long as something in the piece shows it was inspired by the given topic, you did your job.

I'm pretty sure I said you followed the topic well tho, SO YOU AIN'T TALM BOUT ME RIGHT???

fraze 07-06-2015 10:23 AM
Nah he was talking about me i think. I honestly could have went either way with my vote, it was close. I originally was going to vote Destroyer because he had a strong technical piece imo. But after a couple rereads my opinion changed bc Innovator used a lot of imagery that made certain scenes stick in my mind more. I just enjoyed it more.

poetry battles are hard to judge. there aren't really established criteria for good and bad so it comes down to feeling a lot of time. you had a dope piece but more people liked the other dude so you lost. don't have an ego about it. you're still a dope writer but we all catch ls sometimes.

Witty 07-06-2015 10:54 AM
I knew an L was coming my way before I even hit submit.

I don't catch many (when I show) so those I do catch, I take like a gent.

Also, I lost to two of the best poetic type guys on this site, so I'M GOOD.

Objective 07-06-2015 01:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fraze (Post 500647)
nice explanation. I was finding new readings every time I read your piece. it was poetically dense even tho it was a shorter verse. I need to do more playing with diff rhyme schemes.
Just noticed this now, thanks man. Word, I feel like fucking around with ALL kinds of structures and rhymeschemes is perfect for a league like this, the creative freedom and challenges it gives the writers is what I'm most excited to see tbh.

Hush 07-06-2015 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Objective (Post 500508)
A bit salty, are we? Yes, I told you I thought your punctuation was wack, I've told others as well. It's like reading an extremely long sentence. This isn't the fucking Ulysses man. If that was your intention it's not for me, sorry. I like the language and grammar etc. in poetry to be well thought out, refined and polished. Yes, I lack in that department as well but I'd rather someone point it out and say it if they feel it detracts from the piece. I don't leave things be if I think it draws away the pleasure for me when I'm reading something. Also; there's things about the voting against my verse as well I feel people are missing out on, or I don't feel is right but it is right to them and that's what counts. If you don't like that I don't vote like everyone else and put what I find important highly when I place it that is YOUR problem, there's no reason to cry about it and give a half assed vote back in return as if it's the worst thing that could ever happen in your life. But it's whatevz, I don't care and as far as I'm concerned your vote counts, do your thing but I'd recommend you to leave emotions out of it and if you got a problem with something (like my vote) take it up with me in a PM, thread or in the chat instead of angle shooting in a vote like that.

And if you don't understand where I got ''rain'' from then maybe you should stick to the NBL. That said; if you're actually curious I can tell you in a PM when next round starts.

too long didnt read

if this pretentious faggotry is what is to be expected here sign me out off the rip

Objective 07-06-2015 02:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hush (Post 500752)
too long didnt read
It wasn't aimed at you either. Seriously though, if someone is having an issue with difference in personality OR way of looking at things shit's laughable. If I am wrong in anything, my vote is wack or doesn't count (explain it if it was) I am willing to change my ways and say that I'm at fault and apologize if I fucked up. But as of now I'm having a hard to time to see how I'm in the wrong. Maybe I'm just blind, and if I am; enlighten me.

Split Eight 07-06-2015 02:21 PM
Objective: it's gonna be okay. Des gonna Des

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hush (Post 500752)
too long didnt read

if this pretentious faggotry is what is to be expected here sign me out off the rip
you in my dude?

Split Eight 07-06-2015 02:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Objective (Post 500754)
It wasn't aimed at you either. Seriously though, if someone is having an issue with difference in personality OR way of looking at things shit's laughable. If I am wrong in anything, my vote is wack or doesn't count (explain it if it was) I am willing to change my ways and say that I'm at fault and apologize if I fucked up. But as of now I'm having a hard to time to see how I'm in the wrong. Maybe I'm just blind, and if I am; enlighten me.
I don't think Destroyer was calling you out. He was saying that it seemed suspect that he wrote about the picture, directly, and even then people justified their vote by saying he didn't use the picture well enough- when Innovator didn't follow the picture as much to a T

Then he quoted punctuation as another ridiculous thing to be voted against for (which in this case I'd agree it shouldn't be a determining factor in this particular battle, but you might've just been providing feedback)

Basically he's saying people aren't justifying votes sufficiently and obviously as someone who doesn't compete in topicals, it's frustrating to not be told the details of why you caught a loss, because how else can you get better?

You just got caught in the crossfire

Objective 07-06-2015 03:07 PM
Aaah, word @Dr Dog, thanks for clearing it up. Ye, thought Hush was calling me out, hah. And I definitely do not let punctuation be a determining factor unless the battle is so incredibly close I have to nitpick on the smallest of things just to find something where someone might have an edge over the other. In this case it was just feedback and sort of a heads up that it might cost someone ''points'' in the future from me in situations like that. I try to let my votes be as to the point and harsh as possible because nowadays a lot of people have reached a certain level the nitpicking is almost (or close to) the only things left they can improve on that I can add some feedback on as I know my level isn't up to par compared to a lot of these cats in other areas. I also do it for myself as I'm not a native speaker/writer in the English language, so in order to get better myself it helps to correct and be a bitch to others, hah.

Witty 07-06-2015 03:51 PM
Yo but an annotation thread is a good idea imo, put it up after battles are closed, give people a chance to explain what they meant to communicate with their piece, what they felt people looked over, answer questions from voters, etc.

Clutbuck 07-06-2015 03:58 PM
lmao I got love for @Objective he's the Norwegian brethren but I legit LOL'd at Destroyers post

Inno 07-06-2015 03:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 500660)
I'm gonna expound on this at a later date. Consider this a first installment.
I'll take the L with a smile. But let's be honest with each other. This is some remedial shit happening here in this league. I'll sign back in if voting gets better and you topical guys stop sucking each other off in each thread. The picture that Inno and I used was of a child playing a trumpet, with another child playing a trumpet into his ear and a bird flying around behind him. From that, Inno crafts a nice piece about a juke joint. And then I have people telling me I didn't utilize the picture well enough? There's two fucking children in the picture and he wrote about cigar smoke and whiskey and people are telling me I didn't use the fucking picture properly? I got Objective telling me that my fucking punctuation is not good enough, like I even use punctuation on the regular. Step your pen game up gentlemen, and stop voting for names because it's not a good look for the poetry league.

But des i love you but.

That shole voting for a name this is inaccurate simply because you are more known here on NC than i am. Shit you are a certified NCG. I dont think im there yet. So that argument goes right out the window. Now topical guys sucking each other off. Lol come on guy thats a bit of a stretch.

Im gonna be completely honest with you i thought i was losing that. You came strong and dropped some dope shit. This though, this is unbecoming of you des.

Edit.

Also we need a voting criteria here @Dr Dog @Vulgar

maybe add that in the mag

Des has good points like the grammar issue but objective also has good points.

Poetry is subjective people. Not every will vote the same and its ok.

Look at hushes vote for example

what other voted like and voted for me for, he didnt

Does that make his vote wrong? Ofcourse not its his opinion lol

Abc's fellas

Clutbuck 07-06-2015 04:03 PM
Fucking GONE @ "The Weekly Butthurt" though ahahahahahahahha

Inno 07-06-2015 04:30 PM
i tell you what the vibe here is kicking, i like it

Destroyer 07-06-2015 08:53 PM
Clearly I need to let @Dr Dog just explain what I'm thinking from now on as he does it much more eloquently than I did. Innovator, ur cool, and I have no ill will toward you. The voting for the name thing wasn't referring to our battle, it was just a feeling I got looking at some of the other pieces. Bottom line though, judging poetry is entirely objective, so I have no real reason to get upset other than the fact that I thought my piece was more powerful, but hey, it's just a poem battle. I'll probably sign in before next week battles go up anyway, I'm known to get upset, cry, run away for like a day and then return.
I think this league shows promise, so apologies to anyone I offended.


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