yeah I saw that Diode. I asked....where did that come from? what did it evolve from?

fuck VERITAS...
where did God come from?

NOW WE ARE GETTING TO THE ROOT OF THE MATTER!


FINALLY A DECENT QUESTION!

AND A BRICK WALL! WELL DONE.

I know he didnt evolve from something less than him over an undicsclosed amount of time....because he is outside of time. fair?

lolzord this dude is quoting hume. I have heard of this before and I simply counter it by:

What is the universe expanding into?




You fail when you try to limit God. That is why it is a brick wall. We cannot comprehend the infinite of time and space. Just because a being could be a priori and this universe can't doesnt mean that that being couldnt exist.

marinate.

Yes, fair. Thx.

I'm not sure where single cell organisms came from. I know that the scientific explanation is called the theory of abiogenesis and I believe there is much evidence for it, though I've not personally looked into it or it's arguments terribly much. As such, although I believe it to be probably correct, I'm not as adverse to the "god did it" explanation as I am for evolution. In this, you are right - it is a matter of faith. I have faith in the scientific explanation over the biblical one because in every matter where there is a conflict between the two where I do know about each side's argument (including the theory of evolution), I've sided with the scientific explanation.


For a third generation of mankind to come about, I.e. after Adam and Eve and their children, was there incest or did god make more ppl after the first 2?

fair?

im too high to jump in this convo without typing novels. i've deleted two already.

main points you wouldve gleamed tho

1. i'm right
2. you're all idiots

Certainly a convenient conclusion eh other james?

hey V,

how does a perfect being who can't do wrong create an imperfect being?
like, you believe man are all sinners, yes?
why? did God fuck up? did he not foresee what was to come?
why do so many people live in slavery and squalor? does that please God?
is he indifferent to man's suffering or just powerless to stop it?
and if that's the case, how is he all powerful? or all good?

What's your point?

You're insinuating that a lack of knowledge necessitates the existance of god. It doesn't. And even if it did, as you yourself said, the existance of god does not contradict the theory of evolution.

Let's go with that for the sake of argument. God created the initial, simplest forms of life AND the laws of the universe that would govern them. Now what's your argument against evolution?


Also, you owe an answer on my Adam and Eve question. Don't be a shithead. I've answered your questions (and will continue to), you answer mine.

kind of like faith in a nutshell

that being said, i don't know why everybody is so determined to undermine or change V's religious beliefs. who cares? whatever gets him through his days is his business imo.

im not faithful but would never bash anybody for finding comfort and support in the church. there are a thousand reasons why organized/corporate religion is fucked up and operates in ways that contradict a lot of its virtues but the social and community-mindedness of the church is really beneficial and even life-saving for many people. if you don't feel the need to fill in the gaps with these ideas then cool, but i just don't see the point tearing people down who do. even on the internet..

I've no problem with people filling in the gaps with god. Or even preferring a biblical explanation over a scientific one when they have knowledge of both.

I do a have a problem with people arguing against the scientific explanation when they clearly lack understanding of what it is -- pretending there are gaps where there aren't.

I wouldn't say something against a guy who believed a biblical explanation but openly admitted he knew jack shit about the scientific explanation.

If you're going to argue against something, know what it's about. That's all.

That's alot like how I am, I get how it works, so I dont sweat it. I mean it's called "faith " for a reason, I don't know why people expect proof.

People also put alot of faith into what they read on the other side of the argument. Some people read an article or a book and just use it as if it is 100% provable fact.

This almost always serves into complete clusterfuck conversation.

^^^^^^^^^^^

hold up, are you guys telling me Dan Brown was wrong?

Dan Brown is never wrong.

I love how people in here are standing by their words as if they are 100% FACT.

Chances are 100 years from now a scientific breakthrough will blow all these theories out of the water.

It happens all the time as scientific technology gets more sophisticated and the mind using it more astute.

Just because it's scientific "fact" now. doesn't mean it wont be science fiction tomorrow.