lol

I do agree with your second statement.

I still don't get it?

Are you saying that because they have large ego's that their influence over the world isn't grounded in reality? Well, that depends on your interpretation of reality, because Planet Earth as it is today is directly influenced by them. There is a difference between being rich and being an engineer of the present and the future. No offense, but you're a n00b on this subject who brings up good foundational points to refute the speculation - which, now that I'm older and a little wiser, can understand.

I'm not talking about "controlling all world events."

Answer the first paragraph of my last post if you want to continue this discussion, otherwise it'll just be funny pics and GIF's until Pancake intervenes or something.

i double majored in history and political science from a very well respected school in both of those fields.

you minored in youtube conspiracy theories, prisonplanet.com, and are working on a phd in alex jones infowars.

but i'm a noob.

lolk.

Good response, and I never said that I was smarter than you, but I'm more oriented with this area. You should stop dodging this and I'll stop calling you a n00b:

i laughed, but immediately felt horrible afterwards

I never said that old money doesn't have power or influence. I said they aren't secret cabals planning the overthrow of governments, creating genocidal plots for funsies, and orchestrating terrorist attacks on their own soil in order to gain something they already have. If a corporation leverages political connections to obtain a financially beneficial outcome, that's not a conspiracy. It's plain old fashioned greed. It doesn't go "higher" to some "secret order".

Further, what I stated that not indicate that I am more intelligent, but that you are the one who has no experience discussing this subject. You have nothing outside of internet forums and youtube videos. You have no frame of reference, no sense of history, and are blinded by a foregone conclusion in your mind that exists as a sole way to cope with the fact that life is unfair, the world is mean, and some people have more than others.

All of those things are possible (and reality). Conspiracies to explain tragedy are not. They are 99% implausible mental gymnastics for those who can't accept the world for what it is. Every now and then 1% of it has a nugget of truth and you all cling to it desperately hoping to reveal the wizard behind the curtain.

But that moment isn't coming, friend.

Human depravity is base and simple and does not require explanation.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

Great stuff. I applaud you, for you would strike down lesser theorists. However, I'm going to make my views as concrete as possible, based around what you've presented:

You're right, I don't know what the plan truly is.

You're right, I don't know what the plan truly is.

You bring up a good point and you're right, I don't know what the plan truly is.

I fully believe that there is a "great idea" at work here, and it goes beyond your flimsy degree. The "new world order" as it is dubbed is 100% real. Do I know the answers or pretend to try to explain the plot, the plan, the method, the ideology? No, but I do know that there is something at work. I'll break down the best proof I've found in a thread, and you can judge for yourself, Dr. Diode.

"I don't know what the plan truly is."

So you're convinced there's some big club with bad intentions but you have no idea what they're up to. However, since you've come to this conclusion, you've sought any type of evidence that will bolster it. You reached your conclusion before examining all available evidence. You're working backwards.

Of course your "evidence" will fit your agenda.

You should be a reporter. You'll go far in this day and age.

It's quite a lot of evidence to compile.

What I meant to say was that nobody really knows what they're talking about. The "conspiracy movement" is full of small minded people speculating and generalizing to the fullest extent. I'm not that kind of a person. I've already proved to you that Mr. Rockefeller has intentions to try and start a world government. In the video, Vernon Jordan confirms it by saying "but that doesn't mean that everybody agrees with that." Sinister? I have no clue. An actual desire to implement it? Confirmed.

So what bogus evidence am I using self confirmation bias for again.....?

Vulgar, your belief in your own ignorance sounds quite a bit like those with convictions that there must be a God.

It's easier to prove something is than to prove it isn't, which is why we can't prove there is no God (or New World Order) but we can prove there is gravity (or government).

In 5 years, that video (aka that small portion) is the best piece of evidence I've come across. If that makes me ignorant, so be it.

My point isn't that you're ignorant. But you seem to be using that almost as justification and proof of your point, as though the fact that you don't know about a secret society or underground power structure proves that it's secret and underground. You're ignoring the Occam's razor answer.

No, I'm dismissing his predispositions about what conspiracy theorists say or think because I'm convinced that I'm of another breed. Showing Diode my vulnerabilities might open him up (and others too) to hear about what actually made me believe this strange stuff.

I'm listening

itt: vulgar ruins chances of hof lmao idiyote

I'm definitely not getting into this conversation

But on the shuttle bus between the parking lot and campus today I heard a radio station suggest prizes for the 9th and 11th callers

Shit was fucked

GOVERNMENT

Hey guys, Jay-Z vs Nas...who won?

The existence of an illuminati or whatever wouldn't surprise me, I dunno if it exists or not, never looked into it, never cared tbh...but if it did exist I wouldn't be surprised.

Nas because Jay-Z made him relevant again. #HotRapsTake

Jay imo

By quite a distance.

Jay when he signed Nas, obv.

Alright, I'm changing my tune though. @Diode @oats @sraL @Certain @dead man

This subject used to interest me a lot during my time in the Air Force but since then, I've grown disinterested, and I defer to my prior research on rare occasions like this. I'm convinced but I'm not consumed. I've moved onto more important things in my life, like my career, the opposite sex and getting better at writing. I'd rather utilize you guys as a resource and not as an opportunity to expel my own views, thoughts and proof/evidence. I'll give you the evidence but I won't put the effort into explaining it properly. I'd rather spend my time on more valuable things, like learning from you. If you can help me sharpen my critical thinking blades, and expound on your knowledge of the scientific method/concepts on psychology and the human mind, then I'll be better off. Better off than endless rambling in threads like this.

Here's the evidence:

http://streitcouncil.org/uploads/PDF...ld%20order.pdf

The World Trade Center was an engineering marvel and was absolutely designed like all skyscrapers, to collapse on top of itself. This was a topic in my civil engineering college course. The majority of the building was air. Brilliant design.

The essentially hit them in perfect spots. The fuel rich flame was enough to weaken the tensile strength of the steel by 50-60% this the weight above was enough to start the chain reaction of each floor collapsing upon itself. That is a design safety mechanism.

there was fuckery afoot on 9/11

rip to the firefighters, police and civilians. not so much the rich niggas tho cuz IM BITTER and POOR.

but yea building 7 is still weird to me. the pentagon losing trillions of dollars and the part of the pentagon being hit where that info would be is weird to me (has this been disproven?) also i think the plane over PA was shot down. i also think the second plane that hit the towers, at least the second plane could have been shot down but cheney let it happen.

and louie ck has it right. when bush found out cheney didnt do what he could to stop it cheney punched him in his dumbass head, and they had to make a fake report about how he choked on a pretzel and hit his head.

but yo

as far as the bilderberg group, i've tried looking into it and i just continually get more lost.

as far as the bohemian grove, nixon da god put it best, bunch of fags in the woods.

as far as alex jones, i love that fear mongering weirdo.

he has the documents. that is all.

but yo @Diode

the "new world order" doesn't have to have an "evil agenda"

just the fact that if people were getting together to make a one world government is enough to be a conspiracy, its people conspiring right? even if there intentions are for the benefit for all.

but this thread isnt the right place for it since imo 9/11 and the NWO/bilderberg/whatever isnt related.

I read it through and it just reads like some relic of an ideal they had back in the 50's-60s.

Nothing more.

I hadn't read this post until just now, but you pretty much summed up my thought on this: It's just an ideal of one global government... not for any evil intent at world comination or the like, more so to ensure we don't wipe ourselves out if another world war happens.