I had a response typed a couple weeks ago that because they'd gotten off the books, I felt that they were literally just giving us everything we wanted. Y'all just wanted to use cool internet lingo to describe it. We still don't know what Cersei has planned and that's going to be the big reveal next week. It won't be Jon that dies, you can't kill someone, bring them back to life, and fake kill them 20 times after just to really kill them again. I'm thinking Dany dies and Jon finds out his parentage and takes up her army in a love fueled revenge and that's all season 8 will be. Jon just waging was on everyone.

Or the alliance sticks and all S8 will just be the ice and fire war.

Tarly for the throne 2018

this story does not have a happy ending. don't forget dany's dream.

it better not have a happy ending... that would directly contradict every thing that has happened.

but honestly

you go north of the wall to capture a wight... and they don't attack you because the ice is breaking, in a place where you die from the cold? and someone runs all the way to the wall, sends a raven all the way across westeros, and 3 dragons fly back all the way across westeros and north of the wall. all in less than a days time? and they are all just sitting there because they could fall in the water?

that may be the shittiest piece of writing you could imagine. and they decide that okay now its time because the hound throws a rock that doesn't break the ice...

While we're playing that game, dragons and wights exist in the first place. Trying to analyze a TV show beyond it's entertainment purposes is futile.

It was a cool spectacle to witness IMO.

I'm just wondering how bad GRRM has to facepalm every episode now.

GRRM advises them on every episode and gave them the outline they are using to wrap it up, so...

no he doesn't, he hasn't been involved with the show in years

but he did give them the entire outline basically of where everything was heading, each characters endings etc. how they go about everything is their own creative choice though

but word the books will only be different in the sense they aren't rushed and have way more characters so everything will be more interesting, but he's said he's not changing anything just because the show passed him. he doesn't care if you know plot outcomes, he compared it to his favorite books and shit. you can know the outcomes but the telling of the tale is still enjoyable

so the ending we get in the show will not be different than the books at all basically. like diode said the entire story was given to them. not just david benioff and db weiss or whatever, but directors who were on the set back when he was too. he was a loose lipped woman apparently

This is incorrect on a basic level.

The show still has to obey its internal logic. You're arguing a false equivalency. Fantasy elements =/= abandonment of logic. There were still wights and dragons when it took Jon and his group hours/days to arrive where they found their wight. There were still wights and dragons when the precedent for ravens taking more than a handful of hours to arrive at their destination was set. When the show abandons those precedents it is, indeed, a mistake that should be noted.

Ok time travel exists in GoT then. Make you feel better?

My comments were more directed at Millz trying to use physics to explain a fantasy show. Specifically about the ice and Jon not dying of hypothermia.


The fast travel could only be a mild pet peeve at most tho.

You're not very bright.

Understatement of the millennium.

Nah.. her dream represents Jon Snow ruling hence the snow on the ground, her being dead, and the reason being is my lil homie Bran will get powerful enough to control the night king.

Or, you're the stupid one.

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dope episode.

Word

The aegon thing is weird to me but i can let it slide i guess.

I need winds of winter and a dream of spring ASAP

Yeah theyre all gonna die

Brandon the builder ftw

If the name thing is true, and I believe it too big to not be accurate with the book, that essentially seals the deal of Jon being the prince who was promised. Based off of the vision Dany had with Rhaegar and Aegon.

This.

first we have to keep in mind that martin believes prophecies to be phooey in the first place, and that this azor ahai thing could all be nonsense folklore of the world he created with no basis in reality.

second we have to keep in mind if it isn't nonsense, the prophecy doesn't fit anyone who is alive right now. we can make it fit almost anyone, but its not a perfect fit on anyone.

third, if it is jon, it means daenerys' death

we're still waiting on "lightbringer" the sword that comes from the sacrifice of azor ahais wife right?

either way its all nonsense

while its in the nonsense phase still, i like to think it was RHAEGAR. this still could have jon as the "hero" because he himself could be lightbringer. rhaegar sheathed his sword in his wife, (his dick) to produce lightbringer, killing her.

either way i hope the bittersweet ending is the white walkers being victorious, killing the wicked evil of man and showing them as a peaceful race taking back westeros for the remaining children of the forest

also if it is jon

maybe we witnessed him killing daenerys with the boatsex

maybe the act of impregnating her will kill her, but again, i don't see how that gives him lightbringer

i just don't like the idea of the prophecy in the first place, because we can set aside and morph aspects of it to fit.

daenerys is the prince who was promised. she sacrificed drogo to create lightbringer. (her dragons)

she was actually born amidst salt and smoke, she's from the line of aerys and rhaella or whoever etc.

it fits her more than jon, she's actually fulfilled every part of it

She doesn't fit the part where Rheagar is holding his son Aegon and says he is the prince who was promised and his is he song of ice and fire. The 3rd head of the dragon. In her vision.

And if Jon is Azor Ahai that will mean bad things for Dany as it would make her Nissa Nissa in the theory in which lightbringer is created.

I definitely could dig that.

Rhaegar was holding the first aegon. The one the mountain killed in the show, and the one that is marching on storms end in the books.

That vision could be real, meaning it happened, but it has nothing to do with the prophecy.

Rhaegar never held jon/aegon. Elia martell was barren adfter the first two kids and rhaegar was obsessed with the prophecy so he married lyanna to have another child, since "the dragon has 3 heads"

But he had no special insight, he didnt create the prophecy, he was just trying to fulfill it.

Giddamnit man.
I can never get into this medievil type shit. My gurl loves it tho. And still havbt watched a single episode. You guys make it sound like the best shit to happen to tv

All of her vision has come true to this point. It doesn't matter if Rhaegar ever saw Jon/Aegon and held him. It was a vision. Hell Dany doesn't even know what Rhaegar looked like. She was born after he died. And I can't imagine they leave out Griff if he played any importance to come in the book.

Not to mention it fits perfect with the 3 treasons she must suffer and the Nissa Nissa theory for lightbringer which is also apart of her vision as well along with being part of the lightbringer prophecy.

word i mean it could happen, im just doubting it

also i read something about the nissa nissa thing. could the process be similair to the creation of the white walkers?

meaning when azor ahai plunged the blade into her, it sucked all her warmth into the blade, which is why it was warm to the touch and blah blah. but it doesn't actually mention she died.

could jon have to sacrifice daenerys, turning her into a white walker, to make a truce with them?

also azor ahai is a legend from the east, i still don't know why its connected with westeros' prince that was promised.

i only had a half day at work today i guess i can get lost in some google nonsense

Lord Balish got caught scheming. That shit was epic. Arya is fucking awesome.

bump

WATUP.

i was gonna make a new thread last night but fuck it. lets keep this one going.

im pretty sure jon will have to sacrifice daenerys to make her the new nights queen to solidify a truce with the white walkers. viserion will die for good, and drogon will die but be brought back to life white walker style for dany. jon will take over rhaegon or whatever the other dragons name is.

however

TYRION.

even tho the show has done nothing to support it. he is the only character that has been in scenes with every other character, and he is the prince that was promised

FIGHT ME

Jaime kills Cersei, valonqar prophecy fulfilled.

Bran is the Night King and also Bran the Builder, and also the reason the Mad King was mad.

Jon must kill Bran to stop the Night King.

I used to think Tyrion would ride a dragon but now there's 2 lol

Wtf ever happened to the other Targaryen boy from the book? The one who was travelling with the GC when Tyrion was captured or whatever

they never put him in the show. in the books though he has landed in westeros, with elephants, took griffins roost? i think it was called. whatever jon connington (his make believe dad when tyrion was with them) whatever that dudes original lands were, and they are marching on storms end, and or about to take it. i forget.

thats from a sample chapter in the next unreleased book. GRRM either read it at an event and it was transcribed or he had it on his site.

but word im still up in the air with the bran theories. i don't think the show will go that route because they showed the making of the night king and it was nothing like bran. he could still be bran the builder and the other ones throughout history somehow and learn some lost shit? i dunno

but word to the tyrion bit. if im not mistaken the one the night king has now was the smallest one too. so dany/jon/tyrion all being dragon riders thrown out the window

Ehh

More happened than i thought would happen honestly. While it was all just putting everything in place like i thought i didnt expect jon riding a dragon before knowing hes aegon.

But yo the white walkers are sentient enough to know that the little umber kid was someone to differentiate from the others

Not sure how much the sign has to do tho or if its just jibberish

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same spiral as we've seen before

seems to have to do with whatever ritual the children used to make the first white walker

That shit was fantastic but there were too many victories. Reek saves Yara, Jon reunites with Arya which was awesome. Jon rode a fucking dragon (that scene took a big piece of the budget for week 1) Makes me worry about next week.

Shouldnt Dany know that something is up w/ Jon when he can ride the dragon? Only Tangerines can ride dragons lol im keeping it that is their name now.

Sansa is a bitch but she still fine.

I thought this ep was supposed to be longer for aome reason.

Samwell's actor whatever his name is really really good.

My money is that Bran doesnt even care about Jaime, hes barely Bran anymore. What did Bran mean by what he said when Jon called him a "man now?" He said almost or whatever i wonder what he meant.

meant he isn't fully the 3 eyed raven yet.

which isn't good for jaime.