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Witty 05-10-2014 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mind Assassin (Post 333301)
ITP: WITTY STATES THAT OTHER EVOLUTIONERS CONTRADICT HIS UNDERSTANDING OF EVOLUTION.

It's not my understanding lol it is the Theory of Evolution.

You should educate yourself.

Destroyer 05-10-2014 01:36 PM

it's not a theory, it's a fact

Witty 05-10-2014 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mind Assassin (Post 333300)
DOES NOT KNOW WHERE FIRST ANCESTOR CAME FROM. KNOWS IT IS NOT A MONKEY, KNOWS THAT GOD DID NOT MAKE IT. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS YOUR HONOR.

NEXT?

No scientist has ever said it was a monkey lol fuck u talking about bro?

I dunno that God doesn't exist...I just have not seen any proof and have no reason to believe that he does...give me a reason...show me he exists, give me your proof.

You are failing very bad right now Veritas.

Destroyer 05-10-2014 01:38 PM

upping

Witty 05-10-2014 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 333308)
it's not a theory, it's a fact

Our understanding of the word theory and the scientific meaning of the word theory are not the same.

Gravity is a theory too.

Destroyer 05-10-2014 01:40 PM

yes I suppose all things that haven't been proven false are theories technically
but they are also facts, IMO

Witty 05-10-2014 01:41 PM

"A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method, and repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation. As with most (if not all) forms of scientific knowledge, scientific theories are inductive in nature and aim for predictive power and explanatory force.

The strength of a scientific theory is related to the diversity of phenomena it can explain, and to its elegance and simplicity (Occam's razor). As additional scientific evidence is gathered, a scientific theory may be rejected or modified if it does not fit the new empirical findings- in such circumstances, a more accurate theory is then desired. In certain cases, the less-accurate unmodified scientific theory can still be treated as a theory if it is useful (due to its sheer simplicity) as an approximation under specific conditions (e.g. Newton's laws of motion as an approximation to special relativity at velocities which are small relative to the speed of light).

Scientific theories are testable and make falsifiable predictions. They describe the causal elements responsible for a particular natural phenomenon, and are used to explain and predict aspects of the physical universe or specific areas of inquiry (e.g. electricity, chemistry, astronomy). Scientists use theories as a foundation to gain further scientific knowledge, as well as to accomplish goals such as inventing technology or curing disease. Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge. This is significantly different from the common usage of the word "theory", which implies that something is a guess (i.e., unsubstantiated and speculative)."
@The Mind Assassin provide me with evidence of God that has gone through this process and I will take you seriously.

Otherwise, stop wasting my time pls.

Destroyer 05-10-2014 01:42 PM

all I read was "veritas is dumb as fuck"

veritas 05-10-2014 01:42 PM

witty: I will be gentle:


you have never seen any proof of God, but you choose to believe in evolution, the same of which you have never seen any proof. you are not winning. trust me.

you yourself stated that you do not know where man came from. YOU SAID THAT. but you know that it aint God right>? lol.

shout out to destro.

Destroyer 05-10-2014 01:42 PM

dog breeding shows proof of evolution brah

millz 05-10-2014 01:43 PM

Veritas believes that a lack of evidence is the evidence that god exists. But condemns a theory for a lack of evidence.



Circular logic is circular.

veritas 05-10-2014 01:44 PM

science:

you are talking to a behavioral scientist. I have conducted research. I understand it...better than you, trust.

I know 2 things: the hawthorne effect, and correlation does not equal causation.

mull that over.

the truth is you have no idea of what you are talking about.


EITHER GOD MADE US OR WE EVOLVED IS THE ONLY OPTIONS WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN FOR OUR EXISTENCE. UNLESS YOU CAN PROVIDE ME WITH A THIRD ONE.

ALL EVOLUTIONISTS WILL EVENTUALLY ADMIT, THAT THEY DO NOT KNOW WHERE WE CAME FROM.

RICHARD DAWKINS SAID ALIENS SEEDED OUR PLANET....WELL WHERE DID THE ALIENS COME FROM>

CANT BE GOD.

ROIJEKOJLK;ADJK;LFJKLJADKJFKLJDKLJFADSKLJLFKADJK;L FJ

veritas 05-10-2014 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 333316)
dog breeding shows proof of evolution brah

THAT IS NOT EVOLUTION AS I AM TALKING ABOUT.

THAT IS SELECTIVE ADAPTATION THROUGH GENETIC TRAIT ENGENEERING...LIKE MENDEL'S PEA PODS.


MY GOD....NONE OF THESE ENLIGHTENED SOULS ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT

MWHAHAHAHAHHAA....

JESUS: THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE. NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER BUT THROUGH HIM. WE ARE ALL SINNERS. ACCEPT THIS FACT AND LIVE.

JESUS DIED FOR US. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS BELIEVE.

Destroyer 05-10-2014 01:46 PM

they came from bacteria brah
hey, where did god come from bro?

Destroyer 05-10-2014 01:47 PM

The word 'evolution' just means *change to the genetics of a population over time*. So dog breeding is absolutely an example of evolution in action.

More specifically, it is the act of humans *manipulating* evolution by controlling the reproductive environment.

So if one were to design a *scientific experiment* to test the theory of evolution by natural selection, it would look like this:
1. Pick a species and divide it up into separated populations.
2. Subject each sub-population to different selective pressures. I.e. pick certain traits that determine which individuals get to reproduce more.
3. Allow this to continue for many generations.

If the theory of evolution by natural selection is false ... then there would be no visible changes to the population even over many generations.

If the theory of evolution by natural selection is true ... then the different populations will show noticeable differences in their physical traits ... traits that continue to be passed on through inheritance.

---

People who reply that "a dog is still a dog" are MISSING THE POINT!

Dog breeding demonstrates conclusively that genetics can change *dramatically* in even a tiny amount of geologic time, if there is a strong enough selective pressure.

That IS evolution, as defined by the people (i.e. scientists) who support it.

It is irrelevant how people who *disagree* with evolution want to re-define the word 'evolution' in order to reject it. What matters is how people who *accept* evolution define the concept THEY THEMSELVES ACCEPT!

So dog breeding demonstrates EVOLUTION IN ACTION ... as the word 'evolution' is defined by those who accept it as a fundamental principle of biology.

Dog breeding is an *EXPERIMENT* that confirms the basic principles of the theory.

It demonstrates conclusively that even a short amount of time can produce a significant amount of evolution *if the selective pressure is strong enough*.

So this explains why HUGE amounts of time can produce HUGE amounts of evolution ... if there is *selection*!

Dog breeding explains why this *can* happen. But that is not the only evidence that it *has* happened. That is where all the other evidence (fossils, DNA, proteins, genes, embyology, morphology, biogeography, etc. etc.) comes into play.


People who oppose evolution can't just separate *cause* from *effect*, by fiat.

Selection is the cause. Evolution is the effect. You can't just declare by fiat that X amount of evolution is a reasonable effect, but 2X or 100X amount of evolution is not.

veritas 05-10-2014 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by millz (Post 333317)
Veritas believes that a lack of evidence is the evidence that god exists. But condemns a theory for a lack of evidence.



Circular logic is circular.

WRONG AGAIN.

YOU SHOULD LEAVE THE THREAD BECAUSE THE OTHER EVOLUTIONIST WITTY SAID THAT YOU WERE WRONG AND I DON'T WANT YALL TO ARUGE ABOUT WHO IS RIGHT.

I AM SAYING THAT WE ARE ONLY GIVEN 2 CHOICES: GOD OR EVOLUTION. AND EVERYTHING YOU SAY I USE TO BELIEVE MY BELIEFS AND MAKE FUN OF....YOU DO THE SAME THING.

THE KILL IS THAT NONE OF YOU KNOW HOW, WHERE, WHEN, AND WHY, ANY OF THIS LIFE CAME TO BE....BUT IT CAN'T BE GOD!@@@@

RIOJAEOIJK;LAFJK;LGJK;LAJRLKGJKLRJK;GLA.

AGENDA2014

Witty 05-10-2014 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mind Assassin (Post 333315)
witty: I will be gentle:


you have never seen any proof of God, but you choose to believe in evolution, the same of which you have never seen any proof. you are not winning. trust me.

you yourself stated that you do not know where man came from. YOU SAID THAT. but you know that it aint God right>? lol.

shout out to destro.

I have seen proof of evolution....what do you think fossils are lmao

I stated I do not know the common ancestor between humans and other great apes, I have seen plenty of evidence that we evolved from apes tho, the fossil records, there are literally thousands, the fact that we share DNA and so many traits that are not found in any creatures other than great apes...evolution is fact, it happens. I don't know that some sort of super natural power didn't put all of this in to motion, but I have seen no evidence to suggest it did so why would I take it seriously? I do KNOW that an interventionist God such as the one you suscribe to does not exist, because the books that were written about him have been proven to be scientifically baseless...they are fairy tales, you believe in children's stories and myths.

Basically....I could say Harry Potter created the universe and I would have as much 'evidence' to show for that belief as you do for your belief in God...a book, nothing more.

veritas 05-10-2014 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 333320)
they came from bacteria brah
hey, where did god come from bro?

WHERE DID THE BACTERIA COME FROM?

Witty 05-10-2014 01:49 PM

Veritas jimmies getting mad rustled yo lmao

TYPE BIGGER BRO, MAYBE THEN PEOPLE WILL TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY.

Destroyer 05-10-2014 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mind Assassin (Post 333324)
WHERE DID THE BACTERIA COME FROM?


from space brah

Witty 05-10-2014 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mind Assassin (Post 333324)
WHERE DID THE BACTERIA COME FROM?

Where did God come from?

veritas 05-10-2014 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Witty (Post 333323)
I have seen proof of evolution....what do you think fossils are lmao

I stated I do not know the common ancestor between humans and other great apes, I have seen plenty of evidence that we evolved from apes tho, the fossil records, there are literally thousands, the fact that we share DNA and so many traits that are not found in any creatures other than great apes...evolution is fact, it happens. I don't know that some sort of super natural power didn't put all of this in to motion, but I have seen no evidence to suggest it did so why would I take it seriously? I do KNOW that an interventionist God such as the one you suscribe to does not exist, because the books that were written about him have been proven to be scientifically baseless...they are fairy tales, you believe in children's stories and myths.

Basically....I could say Harry Potter created the universe and I would have as much 'evidence' to show for that belief as you do for your belief in God...a book, nothing more.

in this post:

witty states that a theory is a fact. witty forgets that ALL fossils only come from the top layer of the earths crust....which is shady.

he doesn't know if a supernatural power but all this into motion because he hasn't seen it....but he hasn't seen evolution.....where is the missing link. show me proof of one person ever showing proof of one thing ever changing genetically from one creature to another ever in time.

I will wait.


just have faith.....like you do that we evolved from great apes.

veritas 05-10-2014 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Witty (Post 333327)
Where did God come from?

where did the bacteria come from?

veritas 05-10-2014 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 333321)
The word 'evolution' just means *change to the genetics of a population over time*. So dog breeding is absolutely an example of evolution in action.

More specifically, it is the act of humans *manipulating* evolution by controlling the reproductive environment.

So if one were to design a *scientific experiment* to test the theory of evolution by natural selection, it would look like this:
1. Pick a species and divide it up into separated populations.
2. Subject each sub-population to different selective pressures. I.e. pick certain traits that determine which individuals get to reproduce more.
3. Allow this to continue for many generations.

If the theory of evolution by natural selection is false ... then there would be no visible changes to the population even over many generations.

If the theory of evolution by natural selection is true ... then the different populations will show noticeable differences in their physical traits ... traits that continue to be passed on through inheritance.

---

People who reply that "a dog is still a dog" are MISSING THE POINT!

Dog breeding demonstrates conclusively that genetics can change *dramatically* in even a tiny amount of geologic time, if there is a strong enough selective pressure.

That IS evolution, as defined by the people (i.e. scientists) who support it.

It is irrelevant how people who *disagree* with evolution want to re-define the word 'evolution' in order to reject it. What matters is how people who *accept* evolution define the concept THEY THEMSELVES ACCEPT!

So dog breeding demonstrates EVOLUTION IN ACTION ... as the word 'evolution' is defined by those who accept it as a fundamental principle of biology.

Dog breeding is an *EXPERIMENT* that confirms the basic principles of the theory.

It demonstrates conclusively that even a short amount of time can produce a significant amount of evolution *if the selective pressure is strong enough*.

So this explains why HUGE amounts of time can produce HUGE amounts of evolution ... if there is *selection*!

Dog breeding explains why this *can* happen. But that is not the only evidence that it *has* happened. That is where all the other evidence (fossils, DNA, proteins, genes, embyology, morphology, biogeography, etc. etc.) comes into play.


People who oppose evolution can't just separate *cause* from *effect*, by fiat.

Selection is the cause. Evolution is the effect. You can't just declare by fiat that X amount of evolution is a reasonable effect, but 2X or 100X amount of evolution is not.



in this post: DESTORYER PROVES HE DOES NOT READ MY POSTS WHERE I SAID EARLIER THAT "THAT IS NOT EVOLUTION AS I AM TALKING ABOUT.

THAT IS SELECTIVE ADAPTATION THROUGH GENETIC TRAIT ENGENEERING...LIKE MENDEL'S PEA PODS.

COULD A FISH EVER TURN INTO A BIRD JUDE?

Destroyer 05-10-2014 01:55 PM

you didn't read it, or you'd have read this part

"It is irrelevant how people who *disagree* with evolution want to re-define the word 'evolution' in order to reject it. What matters is how people who *accept* evolution define the concept THEY THEMSELVES ACCEPT!"

Witty 05-10-2014 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mind Assassin (Post 333329)
where did the bacteria come from?

I don't know...yet.

As I said it is a coninual process of learning and understanding.

Your belief is not, your belief says 'This is how it was, how it is, and how it always will be'

So you should be able to tell me where God came from.

Why did your God create so many other galaxies?

Why did your God leave dinosaur fossils and not mention them in the bible?

Why did your God leave evidence of evolution on the earth he created so that one day it could lead people to not believe his word?

Why did your God provide an innacurate portrayal of the movement of planets and stars?

Why did your God say the world was flat when it isn't?

Why did your God say everything that exists on earth has always existed in this way since being created by God when there is living evidence of animals evolving to suit their surroundings?

I think you will find there are a lot more questions you can not answer than there are questions science can not answer.

You laugh at others for believing something there is plenty of physical evidence for, yet you provide no argument as to why your belief should be taken seriously...you have a faith based on nothing other than a book...that's all you got.

millz 05-10-2014 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mind Assassin (Post 333322)
WRONG AGAIN.

YOU SHOULD LEAVE THE THREAD BECAUSE THE OTHER EVOLUTIONIST WITTY SAID THAT YOU WERE WRONG AND I DON'T WANT YALL TO ARUGE ABOUT WHO IS RIGHT.

I AM SAYING THAT WE ARE ONLY GIVEN 2 CHOICES: GOD OR EVOLUTION. AND EVERYTHING YOU SAY I USE TO BELIEVE MY BELIEFS AND MAKE FUN OF....YOU DO THE SAME THING.

THE KILL IS THAT NONE OF YOU KNOW HOW, WHERE, WHEN, AND WHY, ANY OF THIS LIFE CAME TO BE....BUT IT CAN'T BE GOD!@@@@

RIOJAEOIJK;LAFJK;LGJK;LAJRLKGJKLRJK;GLA.

AGENDA2014



Where did witty say I was wrong?

There is a huge difference between believing in evolution and believing in creation as the bible define it's. The universe was not created in 6 days. Adam didn't appear from nowhere and eve didn't come from his rib.

You can absolutely believe in evolution and believe in god. I am one of those that believe in both. The theory of evolution at this point isn't traceable all the way back to its origin. But there is millions of years of data that has been proof of its existence and everyday more and more proof is found. Whereas the story of creation in the bible is based EXACTLY ZERO proof. It's based upon the lack of proof by definition. There is tons of proof supporting evolution. There is not 1 ounce of proof for the creation story of the bible.

Witty 05-10-2014 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mind Assassin (Post 333330)
in this post: DESTORYER PROVES HE DOES NOT READ MY POSTS WHERE I SAID EARLIER THAT "THAT IS NOT EVOLUTION AS I AM TALKING ABOUT.

THAT IS SELECTIVE ADAPTATION THROUGH GENETIC TRAIT ENGENEERING...LIKE MENDEL'S PEA PODS.

COULD A FISH EVER TURN INTO A BIRD JUDE?

The fact you think fish turned into birds shows a basic misunderstanding of evolution.

You shouldn't argue about things when you clearly have no understanding of them, I have an extensive understanding of numerous religions and don't believe any of them, but I know that I have to understand what they teach otherwise how can I argue against them?

I am willing to bet I know much more about your book than you do, so please, read up on evolution as then come back to me.

Split 05-10-2014 01:59 PM

Looool

Gone @ the only two options for the origins of life being evolution and God

Gone @ God and evolution not being compatible


Gonegonegonegone @ anyone combing the bible or scientific principles for knowledge to justify their life philosophy

veritas 05-10-2014 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Witty (Post 333332)
I don't know...yet.

As I said it is a coninual process of learning and understanding.

Your belief is not, your belief says 'This is how it was, how it is, and how it always will be'

So you should be able to tell me where God came from.

Why did your God create so many other galaxies?

Why did your God leave dinosaur fossils and not mention them in the bible?

Why did your God leave evidence of evolution on the earth he created so that one day it could lead people to not believe his word?

Why did your God provide an innacurate portrayal of the movement of planets and stars?

Why did your God say the world was round when it isn't?

Why did your God say everything that exists on earth has always existed in this way since being created by God when there is living evidence of animals evolving to suit their surroundings?

I think you will find there are a lot more questions you can not answer than there are questions science can not answer.

You laugh at others for believing something there is plenty of physical evidence for, yet you provide no argument as to why your belief should be taken seriously...you have a faith based on nothing other than a book...that's all you got.


EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID WAS WRONG. DID YOU REALLY JUST SAY THAT GOD SAID THE EARTH WAS ROUND WHEN IT WASNT. THE BIBLE SAID TEH EARTH WAS ROUND 1000S OF YEARS BEFORE YOUR "SCIENTISTS" DISCOVERED OTHERWISE....THEY STILL THOUGHT IT WAS FLAT.

YOU ARE NOT HELPING YOURSELF. YOU ARE BLINDED BY AN AGENDA.

I KEEP ON BRINGING IT UP TO GET YOU TO SEE: WHERE DID THE BACTERIA COME FROM? YOU DO NOT KNOW. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT GOD MADE IT?

veritas 05-10-2014 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Split Eight (Post 333335)
Looool

Gone @ the only two options for the origins of life being evolution and God

Gone @ God and evolution not being compatible


Gonegonegonegone @ anyone combing the bible or scientific principles for knowledge to justify their life philosophy

THIS IS HALF OF MY POINT.

Destroyer 05-10-2014 02:01 PM

lol @ you thinking you know what the bible said 1000 years ago

veritas 05-10-2014 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Witty (Post 333334)
The fact you think fish turned into birds shows a basic misunderstanding of evolution.

You shouldn't argue about things when you clearly have no understanding of them, I have an extensive understanding of numerous religions and don't believe any of them, but I know that I have to understand what they teach otherwise how can I argue against them?

I am willing to bet I know much more about your book than you do, so please, read up on evolution as then come back to me.

WAIT A MINUTE...YOUR PROPHET RICHARD DAWKINS GOT ON BILL MAHER AND SAID THAT WE ALL DESCENED FROM AFRICAN APES..THEN AT ANOTHER DATE GOT ON THERE AND SAID WE ALL DESCENDED FROM FISH.

CMON NOW MAN....YOU OBV NEED TO STUDY YOUR OWN HOLY AUTHORS MORE FULLY BEFORE YOU TRY AND CONVERT A HEATHEN LIKE MYSELF. ROFLAJE;LJLAKJLDFKJLAKJDLFJASL;F

veritas 05-10-2014 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by millz (Post 333333)
Where did witty say I was wrong?

There is a huge difference between believing in evolution and believing in creation as the bible define it's. The universe was not created in 6 days. Adam didn't appear from nowhere and eve didn't come from his rib.

You can absolutely believe in evolution and believe in god. I am one of those that believe in both. The theory of evolution at this point isn't traceable all the way back to its origin. But there is millions of years of data that has been proof of its existence and everyday more and more proof is found. Whereas the story of creation in the bible is based EXACTLY ZERO proof. It's based upon the lack of proof by definition. There is tons of proof supporting evolution. There is not 1 ounce of proof for the creation story of the bible.

PALONIUM HALOS ARE ALL THE PROOF I NEED.

veritas 05-10-2014 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 333338)
lol @ you thinking you know what the bible said 1000 years ago

I DO. BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN CARRIED DOWN AND PRESERVED....AT LEAST THE KJV HAS.

Destroyer 05-10-2014 02:03 PM

hey veritas, does god see evil go on and is just not powerful enough to stop it?
then he's not omniscient.
or does he just not care?
then he's not omnipotent.

veritas 05-10-2014 02:05 PM

LUKE 2115

For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

THANK YOU JESUS REAL TALK.

Witty 05-10-2014 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mind Assassin (Post 333336)
EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID WAS WRONG. DID YOU REALLY JUST SAY THAT GOD SAID THE EARTH WAS ROUND WHEN IT WASNT. THE BIBLE SAID TEH EARTH WAS ROUND 1000S OF YEARS BEFORE YOUR "SCIENTISTS" DISCOVERED OTHERWISE....THEY STILL THOUGHT IT WAS FLAT.

YOU ARE NOT HELPING YOURSELF. YOU ARE BLINDED BY AN AGENDA.

I KEEP ON BRINGING IT UP TO GET YOU TO SEE: WHERE DID THE BACTERIA COME FROM? YOU DO NOT KNOW. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT GOD MADE IT?

I said round by mistake, edited before your post.

Also, scientists never thought the world was flat, or at least it was never the popular consensus whereas your book says...and I quote...

Quote:

Daniel 4:10-11. In Daniel, the king “saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth...reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds.”
----- Impossible is the earth is round

Quote:

Isaiah 11:12 "And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth."
Quote:

Revelation 7:1 "And after these things I saw four angels standing on four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree." As with the Daniel quote, this cannot be taken literally; the events described in Revelation are a series of visions, rather than an accurate description of the world. So that's, um, one flat earth claim.
Now answer my other questions.

veritas 05-10-2014 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 333343)
hey veritas, does god see evil go on and is just not powerful enough to stop it?
then he's not omniscient.
or does he just not care?
then he's not omnipotent.

DO NOT BRING YOUR BEEF WITH GOD INTO THE THREAD WHERE YOU ARE TRYING TO DISPROVE HIM ROJAFLJDK;LAJKLFDJKLFJ;AKLJ;LFAJDL

Destroyer 05-10-2014 02:07 PM

that's called a fallacy, not a belief
your god, the way you define him, by definition cannot exist
idiot


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