so who's actions fit your definition of ATTACK

a) the dude with the tennis racket deflecting tear gas cannisters

b) the parapalegic with a rock in a sling

c) the IDF murdering 63 (6 children) and severely wounding 1,765 others including women, doctors, journalists

The media will only show you WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO SEE.

Same goes for the law enforcement thread, dude.

oh thanks for the heads up

show me what the media isn't

so when the media says over and over that israel is merely protecting their borders and that palestinians knew what they were getting into

is that the media showing what they want me to see?

or is that the correct media

or are you an idiot with no actual substance going against the grain despite not knowing which grain you're even going against assuming someone like me even gets his information from whatever media you think you're referring to

please post videos

Bingo

Lol

so now we're going to pretend 90 percent of the media doesn't portray the plight of the palestinians and the uncalled for brutality of israel?

cool.

and booth if you wanted videos because you were curious and didn't believe it was happening thats one thing, but you want videos just so you can post your own. you are completely closed off to the opposing side.

i don't watch msm so i have no idea what the percentage of which narrative is being pushed. i'm just stating that i have seen plenty of media defending israel. on the right. which is where your thread begins. i was just calling amen's bluff cuz im pretty sure he doesn't know what he's talking about.

i want videos from because i'd like proof that 2,000 palestinians were doing something that justified getting shot with sniper rifles, because my stance is they weren't. and you disagree.

i said i would post 3 for every 1 because i have a strong feeling that you would be hard pressed to find one. and if you did find one video, of probably a small handful of people aggressively fighting to get through the border that justifies the force israel is using, i can show you at least 3x as many showing israel using unjustified force. and if we're having a discussion about who is guilty of war crimes, i think that is important.


i understand the opposing side. i think they're wrong. there's a bunch of racist, genocide encouraging, misinformed people foaming at the mouth with nationalism. the right winged media is justifying it because they are somebody we give a bunch of money to and they are an ally. i think that is a bad reason to be okay with something. i understand you don't totally agree with israel. but it's important to me that you understand the severity of what's actually happening. they shot at least 1800 protesters that were unarmed aka peaceful. that is not something anyone should defend. and most people in the world aren’t. so if you are going to argue that the protesters are guilty as well, then i'd like to see proof

Boot is a sheep. He will not survive the collapse.

I can't because I'm not there. Neither are you, faggot so STFU.

nah i hear you. i can link vids that were being rt'ed and shared on twitter but it wouldn't be deemed justified to you, just knowing your stance and where you are coming from. the rolling of tires up to the barricade, people running up into the no go zone to sling stones in, cutting at the fence etc. if i don't post a video of basically ISIS on the back of a toyota with a mounted machine gun you would deem it unnecesary force

and again im actually more on your side than not, i feel for the palestinians, like i mentioned they're between a rock and a hard place. but that hard place is hamas, and i don't see how ignoring them helps anything.

also the rampant racism amongst the palestinian people as well, they have zip zero love for the jews. the entire protest is to retake israel and displace all the jews. they already kicked them out of gaza and have no interest in any 2 state solutions like has been noted

its a quagmire i say

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You all err in knowledge of the past as well as knowledge of the future.

there's literally hundreds of videos of the gaza protest. you are more than capable of finding one. and if there isn't one showing you what the media isn't, then how the fuck do you know they were ATTACKING? lmao
@Amen

can you show me this? i probably won't see it as justifiable, but i still haven't seen it. and if those are your best examples, real question, does that seem to justify shooting 2,000 people? why wouldnt they just shoot the handful carrying out your examples near the fence?(which isn't a real border btw hopefully you know but even if it was)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjTN7LKWGdk

put out by israel but its a video, no need to post vids in response, i don't live with my head in the sand.

also 2000 people weren't shot. 2000 were injured. but you don't need to continually argue your viewpoint. all i'm trying to do is have you acknowledge that hamas is AT LEAST partly, responsible.

If it's not seen with my own eyes, I don't trust it. Media edits shit to fit their narrative.

reports say 2000 people were injured mostly from live fire.

but ignoring that IDF created this video(which is pretty important hopefully you'd agree so i looked up other videos from the same day) it looks like about 100-200 people are attempting to fuck shit up. i can acknowledge that hamas probably wants as many people dead as possible for PR reasons and are encouraging everyone to risk themselves any way possible. i realize their tactics are unfortunate. hopefully you can understand that the palestinian people don't have any other options at this point as they have nowhere to go and no way to get there, no legal ability to stick around due to the occupation, and no way to survive from a lack of resources. IDF spokesmen admit they did not minimize casualties, which is one of my main concerns. i'm curious as to what you would suggest palestinians do in this situation since you previously stated that you understood their plight but think this is the wrong way to go about it. they are starving to death on what they believe is their own land

sooo how are you telling me they are attacking the border if you've never seen a video of it that you trusted you god damn silly goose

These words will be held against you as you err in understanding prophecy.

they could oust hamas instead of embracing them, the entire blockade is set up to stop the growth of hamas, israel sends the palestinians aid but hamas burns the access points or gets palestinians to, through their propaganda blaming israel and through organizing things like this forcing israels hand and creating martyrs to brainwash more palistinians to their cause. they are hell bent on destroying israel and need the people to be as well.

but again its not for me to say what the people of gaza should do lol. it just seems much easier to me to oust a terrorist organization in a 25 mile strip of land than to take on a superb military backed by the greatest military the worlds ever seen.

You guys are smart

Lmfao boof clutching pearls tagger step forward

i mean do you find it a little strange that the killing died down after the israelis said if the attacks on the fence continued they would strike where the leaders of hamas were? hamas called it off because the leaders didn't want to get shelled. they were content with sacrificing protestors until their own lives were threatened. and the only reason israel didnt strike the leaders from the get go is because they headquarter in hospitals and other places using citizens as human shields. terrorism 101. "if we do die, they'll kill a bunch of innocents and that only strengthens our cause. allahu akbar"

but again its a fucked situation all around, there are no simple answers to any of it.

i still think we need to leave the middle east be. israels problems can be israels problems. same with syria/iran/afghanistan etc

its just strange how we pick and choose what to be alert to. meanwhile saudi arabia starves and religiously bombs yemen with the us providing coordinates. commiting full on genocide and everything else and no one cares. not a soul.

but if someone comes and takes your land and says gtfo why would you oust the only group trying to help you fight the people that took your land? and what are they supposed to oust them with? the burning tires and pipe bombs hamas is probably supplying them with?

Elaborate how Jerusalem is not Israel’s?

Technically even when Jerusalem was established, the way it was in 47 or whatever, it was as an independent, international entity. It belongs to the UN

its not strange, its just what's in our best interest money/resource wise. but yes, this hypocrisy is the main reason i'm so pissed about them pretending to care about syria while not giving a fuck about this or your example and somehow people still think we're out here trying to do what is right. the rest of your post i agree with.

I read about it.

lmfao

So Jerusalem belongs to the United Nations? That is your belief?