evidence should just stick to beats, like kanye

Nigga I CLEARLY explained it

Feel free to read it until u understnad more clearly!

If u wasn't the main nigga buzzin in rap ever, the how the hell can u be the best emcee? That don't even make sense

U name a nigga that got some good verses.... Mos Def.... the best emcee ever? How exactly can that make sense?

Based off of influence, Mos Def, is the best emcee ever to do it??

Lol amrite?

We aren't basing this off of influence, is what he's trying to say. Lol "some good songs" is what JayZ has. JayZ also bit his entire style.

Don't believe me?

My bad i skipped thru ya shit @Void but basically I'm saying there's nothing u can base your judgement off of that could put mos def #1 in anything

He can be your fav or whatever, but the nigga ain't the greatest of nothin I can see.

Nigga read this shit again

And then tell me u didn't lol right after u finished

But what's really upsettin me about this discussion is

How do you NOT base this off of influence????

We talkin about an emcee

The person who controls fuckin crowds??

You damn right popularity and influence is involved with this

Jay-Z bit Jaz-O's style. Straight up jacked that shit. I hate jay, though. He don't control a fucking thing round here.

Well since how I'm seeing hova and em being compared, here's my take...

Jay has a bigger urban influence because he talked about the streets,hustling and took what big brought to the table and evolved and always stayed relevant...but one knock against hov is that he raps with a air of invincibility...like he can't be touched...He is very measured whereas Em was wayyyy more passionate....and isn't afraid to release his inner turmoil which is him at his finest...technical ability Em was more adept with wordplay, wittyness played with cadences more...he basically used his voice as an instrument and wasn't afraid to experiment...And as for Ether...even tho Jay apologized there was multiple people that was there when Jay first heard it...and it was like a funeral in there...Jay def took it as a loss...that shyt had the streets buzzing and you kno how Jay protects his image...

and speaking of influences and emcee controlling the crowd...Jay used to be horrible...he even admitted himself...even now he don't do much but he has so much stage presence he don't need to...Em was more engaging at his best when performing....

Em>>>>jay on renegade

Jay>>>>em's whole career tho....

lol @ Andre 3000 falling off. Andre from Southernplayaistic on through Stankonia is the most consistent output of high quality lyrics in rap, in my estimation. Flow smooth as fuck and legitimately intelligent, not pseudo-intellectual underground bullshit. I don't give a fuck about the influence portion of this argument, just my own personal opinion of quality, but even if that did factor in he was part of one of the highest selling rap duos in history. Mainstream success and elitist respect. I know he's probably not in the top 5 consensus choices, but he'd be my pick.

Should probably stop appearing in razor commercials, though.

Andre been dope.

Pretty good actor as well. Outkast dope asfrick.
Better actor than Pac though?

@Rojo187 @Whys Ways sound like haters imo


I usually don't converse with dudes who have the blind hate trait

@TYSON renegade jay > em

lmao...and you a blind follower...remove jay dick from ya mouth and look at shyt objectively then you may learn suttin...