You guys have the best looking leader by a long shot. That beard got me thinking.

I don't believe in the predictions. I'm still waiting on flying cars doggie.

Do you believe 5 million manufacturing jobs have been lost here because of trade deals like NAFTA?

And hopefully you realize there's a million reasons they wouldn't implement flying cars for the public any time soon, most having to do with power and control, and that implementing AI to save corporations money on wages and boost productivity/profit margins is exactly in line with the hypercapitalist system we live in right now?

Flying cars can’t happen until we’ve achieved absolute world piece

We wouldn’t want Iranian missiles taking them out of the sky by mistake

when ai takes over in 300 years just legalize prostitution

don't tax me bro

We’ll have self driving cars first. Those are not so far away. Amazon is already trailing self driving trucks.

The proposal is to finance the UBI with a ‘value added tax’ (VAT), not an income tax. Basically every other country has a VAT already. It applies to ‘luxury items’ but not basic necessities. So you’d pay an extra 10% for your new computer but not for your groceries or rent or electricity.

self driving cars and more importantly trucks, are VERY far away.

i'm not for any taxes of any sort. the less money the government has of ours the better we all are

bro are u serious lol people and rideshare / shuttle services are using self driving cars in america right now

So how do you pay for, say, the military?

Also I didn’t get an answer from you earlier - do you think all welfare programs should be scrapped, or that where it’s at currently is about right and it shouldn’t be changed?

i think they should be scrapped.

but in all seriousness i think the government needs drastically stripped down to where its only military/fire/police/justice system.

but in a perfect world the fire and police could be privatized as well.

also everything would be decriminalized as far as victimless crimes go.

barely, and its ridiculously limited. pretending like we're right around the corner from autonomous 18 wheelers is disingenuous.

Then the point you made earlier about poor people not having it that bad compared to other places and times goes out the window. You’d have a lotttt more crime, necessitating a lot more spending on police and the justice system. Plus, letting poor people just starve and die while the people at the top are rich af hasn’t worked out for any regime anywhere in the last century or two. The whole idea behind your second amendment is that if the government/people in power make life unbearable for people then they can do something about it.

Also, you can’t privatize a nation’s military. How do you propose to pay for that?

fire/police not the military.

also the second amendment is to overthrow a tyrannical government, not some rich guy you're envious of because you did nothing with your life but wish the house on the hill was yours instead of working for one.

any person i've ever met who was on welfare, is on welfare. there is no incentive to get off it. i'd be for trying out a system where you have to do some type of work to receive it. like community service or something

but again, the government shouldn't be a factor in your life.

Yeah, so you still have to pay a decent amount of tax to finance that. You’re ok with that?

I’m saying a government that abandons any semblance of caring about poor people would be seen as tyrannical. And you’re assuming everyone can work for a living. They can’t.



I completely agree there’s no incentive to get off it. Which is why UBI is a better system. Community service is a nice idea but it’s just another thing to check up on and administer. UBI is super efficient. If you’re 18+ and a citizen, you get it. That’s it. No need to check up on people’s work, family situation, living arrangements, health, blah blah blah. It streamlines the government’s role.

im "fine" with paying taxes to fund the military. in a perfect world we would immensely tear it down just to a defensive powerhouse that protects our interests, and not yours and europes as well. but even at what we are spending now, its 1/4 of what UBI would cost per year.

if the majority of people who receive welfare had to work to receive it they would just get a job and work for a living. it would truly go to those that need it.

but i don't like that idea either, im just spitballing

if people are concerned about the welfare of people unfit to work, some enterprising young gentlemen or woman could create a charity that would help them. it shouldn't be mandated under the threat of violence (taxes).

And how do you stop the people who are just lazy and don’t really need welfare from getting that money from charities any better than you stop them from getting money from the government? I agree these people exist and are a problem, I don’t think they’re the majority like you do but yeah a significant number, sure. I just think the UBI is the best solution. People who leech off the existing welfare system leech off a different system instead, but people who currently work for a living get the same payment, so now they have the option of working to thrive/get ahead instead of working to just get by. And the people who actually need welfare are taken care of too. Plus it’s way more efficient than a welfare system that depends on your circumstances.

I’d be cool with a system that replaced income and company tax with a larger VAT, which wouldn’t apply to necessities like food and rent. Then no one is taking anyone’s money under threat of violence/imprisonment. You choose to buy luxury items, and pay a little more for them. That’s a way more efficient tax system too. Do away with trying to legislate away and administrate and close loopholes that people exploit to avoid tax.

bro its painful to know you think there aren't people who get welfare and work

i literally do not know one person who gets welfare and doesn't work, i know dozens of moms age 28-35 who work 40-50 hours a week and barely qualify for a few hundred bucks assistance. dozens of people who can't work from injuries or health reasons, people who worked their entire lives, full time, and are now flat broke from medical bills, etc. like there are an endless amount of examples, you sound so naive pretending people on welfare don't work

All this talk about welfare but nobody wants to address the elephant in the room huh?

Thank you. Please talk to these niggas.