Originally Posted by Clout (Post 646792)

Fury doesn't have the power to keep iron mike of prime years off him. Fury would do that jab and head jerk back & leave him self open for tysons true power ....HIS LEFT HAND & that immense body shot combo. As a orthodox stance fighter you use your left hand more since its infront so u use your right hand less over the course of a fight. Everyone who knows of tyson knows of his famous body,body, head combo(Teddy atlas/ Cus d'amato broadcasted it).

His Head movement and hand/foot speed was terrific + his power was on deontays level BUT.. IN EITHER HAND!!!. Fury Wasn't fast enough to side step iron mic from jabbing his way inside. Mike is left handed thats why his vicious body shots were unmatched. He was able to hit you with his strong hand to the softest part of your ribs. Left hand is a clear shot at your liver too which hurts like motherfucker!

Remeber Tysojn fury is chinny too he got dropped by a soft pillow fisted HW. Imagine if deontay wilder or ANY VERSION OF MIKE TYSON landed that kind of shot....

Deontay only wins b/c Fury is basically the same height so pulling his head straight back after pawing his left jab to create distance to avoid incoming shots WILL NOT WORK. IT WILL LEAVE HIM IN PERFECT POSITION TO EAT DEONTAYS RIGHT HAND FLUSH ON THE NOSE.

Fury defense isn't great. He just moves his head alot and pulls straight back while kind of using his left jab to stiff arm you from following through to hit him. Watch the Wlad klit fight. Deontay is so much faster than fury. Fury won't be able to dance around Wilder while trying to negate that Jab and right hand.

Im telling you Fury is open for alot of shots cus he like wilder keeps his hands down but he is so much taller than every one (6'9) he gets away with it. But deontay is 6'7 with an 83 inch reach. So fury will be forced to bend at the waist like james toney to duck under shots and then eat and overhand short straight right hand like wilder did to spilka or that nasty uppercut like ortiz ate from wilder.

Fury has bad defense he compensates by moving and pushing you away. He has no power to keep deontary from windmilling haha. Sorry man I can see tyson fury beating deontay but i see deontay ko'ing him. If it goes to the cards fury wins but i doubt it would.

Originally Posted by Amen (Post 646739)

@Clout - I agree with most of what you said but you are basically co-signing my argument of DW not being a technical fighter lol. Regardless of weight, DW hardly threw ANY punches and was gassed by round 4, lol.

"He needs to learn how this and that" - exactly my point. He's not a good technical boxer. He's a slugger and a sloppy one at that. Just look at every KO how aggressive he is and opens himself up.

Originally Posted by Sour joog (Post 646808)

I was more talking Joshua n wilder. I appreciate the breakdown but I just think fury's boxing brain, head movement and ability to dictate the fight trumps anything ice seen from wilder.

Originally Posted by NYCSPITZ (Post 646833)

Feel like klitschko woulda beat joshua if he was 10 years younger...took him 11 rounds in that fight...

wilder would beat joshua on pure athleticism power and reach joshua's nice but he's not loose enough imo

Originally Posted by Eŋg (Post 646869)

amen you're yet to post a video of your footwork and until then you're a fat self-hating blatino who cant discuss boxing with any semblance of seriousness.

i was, however, serious about fury (motivated and in-shape) being the best heavyweight right now. the fact he's looked down upon ties in exactly to what i was saying about the trouble he's had in his career with boxing licenses and national representation because he's the fucking gypsy king. and he says some real shit so he's further vilified by the media, thus shaping general disdain toward him.

if you're telling me deontay throw-from-the-hip wilder will sleep most men he hits on the chin, i won't argue. i feel like fury would still box him up for 12. most of his shit performances have come when he doesn't train with hughie.

locche was an aesthetically gorgeous boxer, a defensive genius ahead of his years and one of the more underrated south americans along with the likes of alexis arguello et al. but money probably owes more to the likes of the old mongoose archie moore for the lineage of the philly shell, same way foreman's mummy stance succeeded his trainer sandy saddler.

klitschko/joshua was a helluva fight though, right?

anyway fury the greatest right now, fuck what you heard.

Originally Posted by Eŋg (Post 646876)

perhaps fittingly, there isn't that much footage on old will o' the wisp, the man people described as a ghost on the canvas, and that's a shame. he was slick, no doubt.

billy joe is definitely a talent right now, too.

Originally Posted by Clout (Post 646884)

Really wish Demetrius booboo andrade wasn't ducked as much as he is. He is a talent too, sad he hasn't gotten the big fights yet.

Originally Posted by ACTIVATE SELF (Post 646887)

@Eng

So how exactly does Fury beat wilder though? Especially, when it's safe to assume that he is no more skilled a boxer as the Cuban is. Whom from a techical standpoint is probably the most overall skilled and effectient active fighter discussed in this thread today. That ALSO just so happens to punch as devastatingly hard as the rest of the names mentioned. This is just a question asked out of curiosity.

Originally Posted by Eŋg (Post 646888)

because fury isn't a boxer with tremendous fundamentals, he has that je ne sais quoi. i'm not saying he'd definitely win, just that i think he would and might bet on him to that end. fury on his A-game is a hard man to best.

ortiz is pushing 40, too, considering the metric you just used.



boxing is fucked tbh with you, with the way things are run.

i do enjoy the odd fight and studying looks from fighters though, and the history of the sport has always been storied.

Originally Posted by Clout (Post 646889)

I feel bad for the people who paid to see GGG vs Canelo. Aidlade Byrd needs to be banned

Originally Posted by ACTIVATE SELF (Post 646729)

@Clout

I'm gonna start calling you Howard Cosell.