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jazz is a wide variety of things. My favorite to play and hear is 'free jazz'.

I prefer expensive fusion.

tell me more of this 'free jazz'

fucking el oh el

free jazz is where basically all of the musicians communicate through their instruments, and talk to each other... like a language. Most of them already know what each other are going to play through repetition, but if someone throws something unexpected out... the other musicians respond and build off of that. Of course, it sucks if one or two of the musicians do not know how to jam. I guess you could call it "jam band" style jazz. I did a bit of that back in Vegas with the oldschool blues cats. They called it open jam night.

I liked it because it wasn't prewritten material, and anything could happen. I played a circuit bent industrial strength megaphone with the dudes (basically the same megaphone as the police, but with 3 vocal effects and a pitch know, and a clean blend vs effected knob).

why is every post from u, long as fuck.

Its the trying

Theres so much of it

I guess I type fast.

I did make a living selling video game items for 10 years, so I have experience!


whatevs -- think of me whatever u want. IDC.

U were subtle at first. U got impatient and blew it tho. Too much too soon.

thanx 4 signin me up

So how is that different from other forms of jazz

A lot of jazz is pre-written, meaning the songs have been written and performed as per the way they were lain out.

Free form jazz is similar, in the manner that musicians can use the classical bass lines, solo's and over all structure, but its a free for all --- its a jam session where its kind of like call & response. Its funny though, if someone fucks up and hits the wrong key like super loud and does a whole knew riff by mistake, than skilled musicians can go back to the riff they were on and mesh them together, as if it was on purpose.

That seems lazy.

Its language. Kind of like two MC's with two mics and each one spits one line & the other answers (not necessarily battle).

Its just a jam. I know several jazz/blues musicians from Vegas, and the jazz ones (jazz music is hard, just learning jazz chord charts is a fat headache) -- they all enjoyed to have freedom to play with each other without and "fixed" form of structure that would limit their sound. I guess playing the same songs over and over gets boring... but they did that too (gotta get paid).

*back to topic*

has anyone decided what the 'max lines' etc rules will be?

I've already started writing some stuff, and I want it to be decent... but if its 32 lines and I have 10, I'll be like OH SHIT!!!

Explain this "jazz/blues" thing you mentioned.

The rules will be laid out once we get the 16th competitor and the tournament begins

I kinda feel like you're just fuckin with me.

The jazz and blues crowd out in Vegas all hung together. I don't know if the genres are really connected. Well jazz can be almost anything IMO. Blues is clearly defined by very basic cord structures (not to say blues sucks, its bad ass IMO, but its all 145, 135, 153, etc.).

In a lot of the open mic jams we had at the Bunkhouse and other venues in Vegas, a lot of the blues and jazz musicians were up at the same time, so open jamming could go from one basic cord structure to very complex... it all depends... rock was a big influence in all those jams too. There was really no meshing hip hop with those guys, that I witnessed. I tried to mesh the younger crowd with the old timers, and it didn't really work. Funny thing is, a lot of the old timers were more open minded than the young kids.

I'm the worst battler on the site, sign me up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwhkPSEXs1Q

one of the best bass players i've ever seen, with those tiny female hands... with Jeff Beck... just wait till it gets to her bass solo -- there is another link of them in a more private show where she goes off and its like W T F:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blp7hPFaIfU

You can see her nipple. Is her nipple jazz?

yeah it gets hard when she solo's. Isn't that insane?

I dunno if you can really consider that link jazz... but fusion probly?

This link is a far better performance (especially by her). Its like Jeff Beck is trying to have sex with her with his guitar, and then she does her bass solo and looks and him like "What, bitch", and then what he plays after that can't touch her solo because he already blew his load.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC02wGj5gPw

I could watch that bass solo over and over until I need to masturbate, lol.

so this was mostly pre-written? because there's no way this is free-form since there is a form and harmony that goes with it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4GRTGVBwAU


also what is a classical bass line

Ron Carter, isn't he mostly famous for being on that A Tribe Called Quest song?

yeah, the link with Jeff Beck and Tal Wilkenfeld is pretty close to pre-written... but you can tell the difference between her solo in the small stage act vs the big crowd (it was even shorter /w the big crowd). Also, Jeff Beck does a lot of harmonics on the guitar which are hard to replicate.

I mean, I can play 1,4,5 on the keys, on any note... but when you bring feeling into the music, its a whole nother story.

To add a further reply (edit), form and harmony do go with free form jazz, it just allows the players more freedom of expression IMO. You'd have to see some really good free jazz jams to understand... my words can't say shit.

One band (whom the leader of the band, I jammed with Elvis jazz jam on tuesdays a few times) is Uberschall. Six dudes from the blueman group, and 3 drum sets set up in front of the 2 guitar & 1 bass amp (very unique set up). Watching the band live with the drummers flowing back and forth is a life changing event (if you like jazz, but you might need earplugs).

Free form doesn't mean no form. IMHO, it just means more freedom within communicating with the other musicians, within some form.




Classical bass line, I can say very little about. I never studied classical music all though I appreciate a lot of it. I'd guess that its played within a written structure, and the medium thats playing the bass has a small ability to add their own playing style to it.

A video of Evelyn Glennie explaining sound and structure, and freedom of expression... says a lot. I'll dig up the link just in case you're willing to view it, but its quite long.... maybe I'll point out the (minute:seconds) marks that you should check out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU3V6zNER4g

basically the 1:30 mark till the 5 minute mark.

This chick lost 99% of her hearing through the ears by 9 years old, and everyone told her she couldn't be a musician. Long story short, she's now world famous and has proven several points about what sound is, how to interpret it, and how to feel & respond to it.

so free form jazz has form and harmony and by not playing on the page you are playing free jazz?


He did something else??!!?

I don't know. I don't care about bassists. Irrelevant instrument, generally.

***edit***

not necessarily 'not playing on the page', but giving the artist room to interpret it... but a lot of the time, there is no page. Thats the best jazz IMO.


bass basically lays down the backbone of hip hop, all though its usually a synth bass... that could easily be a bass guitar or other bass instrument as well.

You also have no idea what you are talking about.

wait

no page

but form and harmony?


and i dont know i can never really hear the bass its probably not that important

Preach.

I like violas. Why doesn't jazz have violas?

^^ I never will, and I expect the same from you.


Bass is typically the most basic but most essential instrument in many genres.


*edit* -- yes, form and harmony is sustained through the musicians' brains... during free form jazz. They all pretty much know what the others are gonna play and if a solo goes off of the harmony, then they react and harmonize with it.



It could have violas. Its open to writing or in the case of open jams, just listening and playing. Listening is the key.

when does this start @Meth hoffa?

Within the next few days

i want Tic Tac in the first round @Meth