yeah those guys had so much riot gear when they shot that dude right before they rolledup in their tank nigg STFU LOST

I just can't believe that we are even considering the idea of shooting someone in the foot or leg or firing warning shots. That to me is laughable. It is so far from the scope of reality. Maybe you guys believe we should arm police with smiles and rainbow dust

They responded to a call for a armed suspect. Tasers are not for armed suspects, but let's entertain that idea for a second. So they pull up and see an aggressive armed suspect and draw their guns (appropriate). Now let's say one of the officers decides to holster his weapon and pull his taser out. You do realize it is scientifically proven that in the time it takes him to draw his weapon and rapidly fire 2 shots center mass the man with the knife can cover 21ft if he chooses to rush the cop. Now your expecting him to make that decision in that short time and holster a weapon on top of it when the guy is significantly closer than what is legally and scientifically determined as lethal range. You are literally asking this man to unnecessarily risk his life to a point further than it already is on a daily basis. And not only are you asking him to do this you are asking him to do this in an encounter that took less than 15seconds. This wasn't something that was talked and talked and talked and then escalated. This was at 100mph the second they got out of the vehicle.

The guy was walking towards him at 5kmph, pretty sure you can shoot a guy walking towards you at a toddlers pace with a tazer, miss, pepper spray him, miss, do a jig and handstand, miss then fire your gun.

i am very much not in the mood to agree with millz right now, but srs, guys.

they followed the rules.

Diode secretly loves me. It's ok. I love you to. No romo

Worldstar got a video of a dude getting shot by police in san Diego over not paying a bus fare. Shot him in the back.

This is an issue.

This is not. This particular instance is not.

No time to switch back to taser. He was moving erratically. Shooting his pinky toe would have been a waste of a bullet. One, maybe two steps closer the police would of had to turn and run.

He fucked up. Leave these specific police alone and focus that argument on better training overall.

Edit: millz covered the taser switch but I wasnt bout to read all that. But then I did. So...

i like how you guys say police are "trained" to deal with these situations, so they shouldve found a non lethal way to subdue the guy

not realizing that this was by the book how they are trained to stop this type of guy

As much as i want to make a case for the dude shot, he fucked up.

They pulled guns out on him. Any reasonable person would have stopped dead in their tracks n cooperated.

He definately wanted to get s.hot

Why they didn't have the tazer ready when they got out of the car is beyond any reasonable logic. There's 2 cops there, 2! 1 to have the tazer ready, 1 to shoot the fucker. Should have ran out and tazered the fucker right off the fucking bat if the only other option is to shoot the guy if he don't calm down. If he charged the other dude could have shot. I mean, what the fuck man. This is some out of routine trigger happy bullshit along with possibly traumatizing several bystanders by what they just witnessed. Great work!

By the book or not I think this could have been handled a lot better.

I kind of agree with you objective, it would be nice to see everyone walk away from the incident alive, but these guys would have to put themselves in a very risky spot to do that. He had a potentially deadly weapon on him and was getting exceedingly close to them. If one tried to tase him that would put him in a very risky situation

edit: drunk, sorry

shocking there isn't an officer of the law registered here who can offer a more experienced perspective on the matter.

but yeah idk. guy provoked the police and they reacted the same way (i believe) he thought they would. whether they were "right" or "wrong" is a very fine line. apparently @Diode knows everything about law enforcement protocol so according to him (and a few others) they were well within their rights to take this man's life.

whats more problematic is the humanitarian issues at hand. we all know that legality and ethics are far removed from one another.

does anybody watch the news regularly? is this being covered?

no, the place diode trains at is owned by the top federal marshal in SC and is a former secret service agent. we also have a county cop and a local cop at the gym. we've been discussing this a lot lately.

my uncle is also a recently retired county sheriff up north.

you shoot at center mass, if that fails, you shoot the head. you can't shoot to wound - that's a lawsuit first and foremost (maiming) and secondly may not stop the threat.

this guy broke the 21ft rule, period. someone is coming at you with a knife. do you trust that they will be completely rendered motionless if your taser hits? what if it misses? can you go from taser->gun and fire enough shots and hit to stop him in time?

watch the mythbusters on closing distance with a knife vs. a handgun. might open your eyes a bit on your expectation.

Somebody charge me with a knife at that slow speed he was I prolly shoot him in the stomach. This man unloaded 6 shots idc how fast your gun unloads. These cops were pussy. It's broad daylight.

all of the people saying it was fine to shoot this dude are operating on the false premise that he "charged them with a knife." Unless there is some other video footage out there, that's just not true.

you use "charge" i use "approached"

this video footage clearly shows him do, just that

the video also shows the cops using RESTRAINT.

he takes a step back as the police exit the vehicle yelling "TAKE YOUR HAND OUT OF YOUR POCKET" he takes his hand out while walking TOWARDS the officers, the officers yell repeatedly "DROP THE KNIFE" while he is yelling "SHOOT ME", he stops moving forward/towards them and walks parrallel to them, over that little wall, into that yard. he then begins ADVANCING on the police again.

just watch the video man he is clearly approaching/advancing/whatever you want to call it, and he falls on the sidewalk

watch the video quit being a hippy

the fuck is he doing

I think what people are missing, and is what oats is saying, is that the protocol is what's wrong. Regardless of what you feel about this incident, we do have an over militarized police force. Their protocol is to shoot to KILL. What should the policy be changed to? Idk, but when this many people are shot to death by cops it needs to change. It doesn't make anyone feel safer, not even the cops.

There's gonna be a revolution.

Dunno when, dunno how...but it's coming.

And I fear it will be violent.

I did swat team training while in the military. We're taught to handcuff even seemingly non threats because you don't truly know if they're not a threat. Even innocent hostages get cuffed, it's to prevent loss of life.

There's a thing called common sense.

Yeah if someone is not breathing they probably wont hurt you.

Unless they are zombies.
@Zombie

Well, the dude I quoted obviously didn't understand that

You realize that statistically speaking next to zero percent of arrests end in someone being shot to death. With approx 12 million arrests around 400 result in someone of any color being shot to death. That's like 0.00003%

Compare it with other first world countries and you will see the problem.

I'm not saying it isn't a problem, I'm saying it's not anywhere near as big of problem as people and the media are making it out to be. It's no different than the idea of background checks and "assault rifle" bans and mass shootings. Americas priorities are fucked up.

Less than a quarter of a percent of gun deaths are from mass shooting yet we spend 99% of our effort and time talking about that as opposed to trying to make changes to something where efforts actually effect change.

We are focusing 99% of our time and effort talking about white police shooting black males, and completing forgetting to talk about things that actually have huge effects on that same community. Like the fact that they are more likely to be imprisioned for non violent drug crimes. How your more likely to end up on death row. How our monetary system forces them to remain in poverty or how our drug laws have a major hand played in the fact that over 90% of black males are murdered by other black males.

We don't talk about those things because people don't give two shits about real change. They just want this facade of holding hands and being down for the cause to keep their position of power in whatever capacity that is.

The house is on fire and we are worried about changing the batteries in the remote control.

wrong.

protocol is to stop the threat.

You don't say?

But since wounding them won't stop the threat according to 95% of the people itt, I guess the protocol is to shoot to fucking kill. Why are you disagreeing with me when there's nothing to disagree over?

Id say his point against urs is that not every threat calls for deadly force in order to nuetralize a threat nor is deadly force applied against every threat....this is a rarity.

Like bags touching a vagina.

hahahahahahaha

because ur hideous, get it???

jk <3

I hate the killers but I don't believe in the activists.

Precisely.

That's why I fear it will be violent.

OH YEA LULZOID. ....THATS AN ATEROID PROPELLED BY LULZ ...I AM ON THE ASTEROID LULZING TO THE MOON CUZ OF THA5 POST

WOW REALLY STRONG ZTUFF

EXCEPT MINUS ALL OF THAT AND ACTUALLY REPLACE IT WITH FAGGOTHEADEDNESS

U HQVE THAT

CUZ GAY

Too mean.

i wish i was a cop so i could call to borrow one of your guys kitchen knives and when you came over to give it to me i would shoot you in the dick

HOW BOUT THAT

If it's bags your aim is gonna have to be good.

Not a very big target...according to his sister at least.

jk bags.

CUZ BAGS HAS A LITTLE DICK

GOT EM

HEY BAGS HOWS YOUR BEARD GROWING? OH I FORGOT YOU CUT IT AND ARE A WOMAN WITH A CLITDICK

Pretty sure nobody has ever used that as an insult against someone else before, ever...I like to be original.

back when i was an armed watchstander for the nuclear submarine i was on. we were definitely taught to aim at center mass, with 3 bullets.

maybe both officers shot 3 times?