my point is, Hack a Shaq didn't start with Shaq

it started way before him bro

it was coined because of the clutch situation it was used in, it was a key moment in the playoff. the media nicknamed it

but it wasn't invented with Shaq

Shaq shot under 50 % from the line, Of course there was no hack a Magic? why would there be? wasn't he +80 career from the line? Why would you foul him?

Shaq came in the league when bigs dominated. He was the most dominate during his time for sure, but bigs already were dominate, and he only played around the rim.

he was just a freak of nature thats all.

changing the game is like when AI made combo guards the popular thing to do, from a personnel and strategical standpoint.

True..i might of been around before him.

But it was used differently with him is all im sayimg.
He took something that already existed and changed the use of it in terms of strategy
Because of his play.

I agree with your last post tho

lol, no it wasn't diff.

Man what is Hack a Shaq. Maybe the problem is your perception. What is your perception of Hack a Shaq?

I can tell you mine first if you want

I consider Shaq and Jordan to be ones who played the game right and won

While I put Jordan as #1 I don't think he changed the game he played in.

@Innovator

I've never argued that point before you brought it up in this thread and judging by your lack of rebuttal, it's clear that I'm obviously correct in that notion.

Either way, you're clearly not a real NBA fan and have no idea with what you type of.

LeFraud Shames leaving Cleveland is just one of MANY reasons why he has so much hate, but the list is limitless.

He will not get 8 rings. I'd be surprised if he got even one more after how close he came to losing multiple series this season with 3 other future HOF'ers on his squad.

pistol pete changed the game CHANGED IT

lmfao @lefraud shames, nice bey nice

What exactly warrants him the hate then?

His countless charities in akron his his hometown?

Is complete team player (magics words)?

The fact that he donated all the earnings from the decison to charity?


What is it about lebrons charactet that warrants the hate?

Its obviously not his game right?


Its gotta be that right?

Becuase see the difference between you and eddie is.

Eddie is presenting facts in a respectable manner..telling his side of the issue.

You.

Come with made up names and anger.

You yourself said u are biasd.

So your not looking at this from "real NBA fans" lol eye.

More like a peephole in your basement.

Lebron needs to be mentioned int he ai thread because lebron is easily the most over hyped nba player ive ever seen in my life tbh

Dude I can, agree with that somewaht.

Im honestly not a homer or some bandwagon guy.

I love sports

My background music during sex is sprtscenter.


All im sayimg is..lebron deserves critism like all playrrs.

He doesnt deserve the hate he gets.

what do you think of bill russell innovator? you think he is top 10?

11 rings

Averaged 22 rebounds for a career..id say yeah

where would you put him in your top ten?

Prolly...I mean he only averaged 15 points fpr hos career.

But I put him in my top 10 at 8-10

Mainly cuz of the rings that shit is undeniable

he also got like 50 rebounds in one game or 49 or some shit lmao his boarding was insane and his defense literally changed the game

He, was also on those great celtic teams.

Dude wasca beast...but see hoe rings dont translate to whos great.

By the kobe vs bron vs jordan logic.

Bill russell is the greatest.

And dr j is jesus

you wouldnt beleive(or u might) how many people argue with me about bill russell though , them claiming he is the greatest because of his rings.

Hahahahah those are typical bystander fans lol.

Quick google search..

11 rings gotta be the greatest.

"Yo gow let holla...thay nigga got 11 rings yo"

He's a chronic flopper, he cries after every no call (to the point of letting the other team play 5 on 4 and score against his team), he talks shit to his fans, he's a huge choker, he's a stat padder, "The Decision," 'not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7,' "I'm taking my talents to South Beach," he's VERITAS balding, he gets ref assistance, it's never his fault when his team loses and he always needs more help whenever he's playing poorly, by contrast whenever his team wins even if he was horrible he's always the reason they won, he had to collude with 2 other superstars to win titles, etc etc etc ad infinitum.

You're a complete homer and fanboy. You went into the AI thread and when someone commented on how Wade didn't win his '06 title alone, you begrudgingly got angry for no reason and fanboyed your precious cHeat squad.

I have little (no) respect for LeTots and cHeat fanboys like you. Someone said the cHeat have the worst fans and you prove that notion true every time you post in one of these basketball threads.

Now do us both a favor and stop posting/responding to anything I say, you dick riding little peasant.

First off I honestly believe wade flops more.

Complains more..see no ones asked me how I feel about my team.

Omly about bron.

Yes.

Yhe heat flop from time to time.

But eho doesn't

Genobli is the king of flops..its documented.
Yet you dont mention him

Second.

Bron and jordan @28

Bron
4 mvps
2 titles
2 finals mvps

Jordan
2 mvps I beleive
1 title
1 mba finals mvp

How is he a choker whem he took his team to 3 straight nba finals?

And your mentioning of the decison, u base ypur hate solely on that fact

Which is mind blowing to me...you realise that was ment tp hype the crowd.

Tge problem is.


That u know its a possibility thats why u hang on that.

How dare he say that lol.

Third.

How did I come back angrly...I asked @Allen Knight a question he answerd it
I gave him respect for that answer.

Did I miss anything?

plz... plz.. I got this!!


Put it like this, your the best SO CALLED played in the NBA.. and the heat sign D. Wade - Olympic talent than Chris Bosh (contrary to what people believe he has Olympic talent) and has been on several Olympic teams just not in the last yr. because i believe he had a child he had newborn he wanted to be with.. Chris Bosh is one of the Best shooting Big Men in the league...

Now as Lebron the heat sign 2 Olympians and your gonna join them as the SO CALLED best player in the league proves how scary and how much he is unsure of his talent... when Jordan was the best, he Told CHARLES BARKLEY "as long as i'm in the league, u'll never get a ring".. LOL, Jordan didn't wanna Play with the Best he wanted to beat the best to prove he was the Best..
Lebron on the other hand is not that great of a player besides the fact he can lay the ball up like a mother fucker.. 6,9 - body of a strong forward, speed of a guard, elevation of a freak human, and can't drop 40 over night is sad... he should be able to do what he wants when he wants on that court....

go to youtube and see what NBA players say about Kobe and Lebron who would win one on one.. they say Kobe cuz he can't shoot.. 1 outta 10 said lebron if he uses size but everyone said when it comes to downright who HAS GAME gave it to Kobe...

in conclusion, Lebron is a Bitchass for going to the Heat.. if i was Lebron i would sit Mello, Kobe, Kevin Durant, D. Wade, Derek Rose, Kyrie, Chris Paul, and the other greats in a Room in a big ass circle... Stand in the Middle and look all them in the eyes and say "My name is Lebron James, as long as I can run up and down that court.. Yall will Never get a Ring." and walk slam the fuck out..!
i wouldn't do it to be cocky.. YEah, i would.. but it would also be to make them step their games up and play harder, and that would make me step my game up and work ethic up more.. plus, if Lebron did that u know how much fear that would put in their hearts when they step on the same court as him.. . they have no choice but to think.. that niggas great..

Lol so your saying no one in the nba can play with heat?

Your sayimg its not fair? Lol really?

Did the pacer and spurs not take us to 7?

And evrry both of you are sayimg are so called character flaws
.nothing to fo with his actual game.

So let me ask u this.

Kobe raped a girl.

Why is lebron morw hated than a rapist?

See the biased view?

Jordan is known gambler and an all around piece shit as a person
.thats fact...yet jordan is loved.


See what i mean?

If you hate lebron solely on what hes dome of the court.

Then jordam and kobe must be cotton picking niggers to you to

YES, u missed everything... What u said bout Jordan 1 mvp, 1 finals mvp.. you r fucking stupid.. i'm not even gonna tell u bout his 6 rings, 3 mvps, 6 finals mvps, only player to win rookie of the year, league mvp, finals mvp, allstar mvp, defensive player of the year
one of 3 players to sweep the MVPS in 1 season, NBA, Allstar, and Finals

u must be out ur fucking mind disregarding Jordans talent behind lebron..
u gotta be what 16 and never seen jordan play...


do this.. go to youtube look at lebrons highlights, than look at jordans.. i guarantee u'll change your whole outlook on who is better...
the BEATINGs JORDAN took.. leaving games with bloody noses and bruises cuz they actually played HARD back than.. the athleticism he had and skill level in the air to make them amazing shots...
how the Detroit Pistons actually had a PLAY called KILL JORDAN which means when he elevates u put an elbow in his chest or face or anywhere to put him back on the ground cuz he wasn't gonna beat them with his high flying acrobatics.. and thats when Jordan decided he had to become a better shooter and thats what he did...
u actually think Lebron could play in the Kill Jordan era and take the same beating Mike took and still be great.. .seriously.. the kid cries when he drops his shoulder in some1's chest and they tap his arm slightly but he's trying to run them over...

like i say.. the games changed alot.. made it alot softer to accommodate players like bron and mello..

if you really watched the Finals Kawhi Leonard was killing lebron on 1-on-1 situations on offensive and defensive the whole series.. and never cried about a foul or anything just kept playing ball... His respect level just went up in my book alot.. that boy has game

wtf kobe didnt rape a bitch and lebron will never ever be the player jordan is and lebron will never be better then bryant. u do sound like a fanboy bro

Lol look again.

I said lebron and jordan @28 year's of age

Jordan had 1 ring @28 years of age...ofcourse I lbpe jordan, has 6 rings morron.

This proves ypu dont read my post and go directly to spewing hate.

let me kill you one more time...

U actually think that kobe really raped her? be real a basketball playing multi millionaire who is the best at that time really had to rape someone.. be real with yaself.. or she screamed rape and he payed her to shut up because he has a status to maintain.......

what does gambling have to do with ball.. were talking about on the court situations ur talking about off the court to back up a point of view that clearly u dnt even see clearly...
and do u know jordan how do u know he is a piece of shit person cuz of what u heard or when u become famous EVERY1 has their handout or is trying to manipulate you in some type of way would make me bitter too... Ex. Magic Johnson.. reason why he got taken for his gwap...

but ur argument is not valid were talking about ball ur talking about lifestyles u lose again sir

how many more years has bron played at 28 then jordan did?

How when I agreed he flops

Agreed hes over ratef at times

And never ment to compare them im thay fashion just pointing out facts.

Jordan is the best evrr no doubt.

Im rrally not a fanboy lol

Ur heat hate clouds ur eys

It's not that it's not fair for Bron to go to the Heat, it's just that it proves he's mentally weak. He's not a leader like Kobe and Mike, he defers his greatness when the pressure is on. Plus, the manner in which he left his HOMETOWN TEAM was narcissistic and disrespectful, to a state plagued by horrible sports franchises (oh and he also promised to bring the championship to Cleveland).

Lebron is too talented for his own good in that regard - he plays like an average Joe would if they got to borrow the most athletically gifted body for a day. People don't like him for that. In sports, we want the great ones to be great, and assert their greatness. Despite the repeat, it'll always be seen as a bit of an asterisk because he's playing with two all stars (one an MVP caliber player in his own right). It's just how people said Kobe's first three with Shaq didn't count cuz those were Shaq's rings. Kobe had to get his own. And he didn't rape that chick, don't be naive.

Im driving I eill respond to u fags soon enough

Plus Kobe and MJ were never floppers. Lebron has publicly stated that it's an effective way to play, and flops in almost every game. Not becoming of someone who has KING JAMES tattooed on them.

i couldn't say it any better... u said that perfect my man.. i like you now

See I canxrespect that.

So the oats y o u feel the same way about kevin garnett?

What im saying is.

I understand, but to be honest if your goimg that route the only people
Who should fell like that is Cleveland. .which is understandable.

Also.

You guys are attacking him about the decison like he sat at home and plotted
Yhe entire thing.

You guyd honeslty beleive that? Espn had nothing to do with that?

Shaq and howard left orlando in their prime..also promised rings.

You hold them in the same light?


Gary payton had to come down here to win one, is he the same?

Ray allen hadcto join up with pierce and garnett to winn one

Pierce never took his teams far until he HAD to join other hall of famers.

But lebron is the evil guy lol come on man.

You guys talk about lebron is shitty to fans.

Metta world piece fights them

Reggie miller was the king ofvthat shit.
And prolly one of the dirtiest playrrs in the nba.

Yet lebron is dirty playrr who flops and cheats.

Jordan used to get calls all the fucking time..blatant none fouls giving
Solely on his name.

But when it happens to bron its his doing.

You guys come at with conspiracy theories and ohh the refs cheat for them and this and that
You guys honestly beleive the refs ate in favor of heat? Srsly?

Ill admitt the heat got calls...but so did the spurs..the spurs went to line more
Than the heat in this series..yeah real conspiracy guys.

You talk about leaning greatness.

No one simgle super star aside from maybe dr j won a championship alone.

Jordan had pippen
Magic had kareem
Bird had mchale and others
Kobe had shaq
Later on gasol
Russell had boston lol

I mean I might be wrong but give examples of a single star team
That one the tittle?

Ohh yeah..barkley. hmm look at that.

Malone had stockton but still couldnt win it.

My point is when did winning championships become an individual award?
Why did lebrwhen it comez to lebron its only him...its his fault and no one elses.
And then u guys there and accuse the guy of plotting the decison lol.

But it was a different game tho.

They teach players to flop...its a stratagy every one uses but u pin it on lebron lol
Every player foes this every player.

Chris paul is famous for it..no hate for him

Genobli has been fined cointles times for flopping.

No hate for him.

Remember when Lebron got pissed and tried to drop boozer?
and looked like a huge pussy....hahahah

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFnmJgxft_s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgbHF5qKXTo

Or this one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8rGCH_HRdQ

this is a huge part of why I don't respect him as much.
That and his classless way of leaving Cleveland...not that Cleveland doesn't suck

word man he flops.

that shit is crazy...he should of got ejected in that first clip.


but heres a video proving my point

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I65Lqjh4fo

see that...every single team every single player flops.

yet you guys pit that shit to LeBron

ok