its difficult for me to buy any of these stats wholeheartedly tbh. its just all a shitshow

we've been down a guy at work because his wife tested positive. he was never required to be tested, its just assumed he has to quarantine as well. they also have two kids. so that is 4 people, with 1 test. how many other cases of this don't get reported at all? and then combined with the deaths that were incentivized to be reported as covid, its all tricky

to pretend that what coop is saying is utter nonsense is as dumb as how you guys all want to frame it.

anyone who takes the time to look into it knows that its a virus that has the potential to be deadly to an ultra minority of the population. to have a mandated unproven vaccine is as insane to me as the lockdowns in the first place. if it was an actual LEGIT deadly pandemic that was taking swathes of the population i'd STILL be weird about a mandated vaccine.

its all just weird to me i dunno

after you get the vaccine it requires a booster shot after, forget how long after.

uh-oh, you're a cool dude so I'm not going to flame your whole post.

But real quick:
* stat I was quoting is confirmed cases. (1 case = 1 test result). Your family of 4 would have been counted as 1 case in my number because it's not a count of people "quarantined"

* coop isn't saying utter nonsense. its partial truth mixed with partial nonsense:
- the vaccine is a new DNA based technology that was never been tested on humans at this scale before. but it also isn't physically capable of modifying human DNA.
- masks mandates aren't 100% effective. but they are still one of the most effective public policy tools we have currently.
that sort of thing.

* virus has the POTENTIAL to be deadly to anyone. the LIKELIHOOD is lower for younger people, but its still playing russian roulette. some unlucky people get the bullet, even little kids. Anyone who is telling you this only affects old people should go visit a COVID ICU in any major city in America and ask the nurses what the age range of patients they've admitted is.

* 3000 deaths/day actually is a LEGIT deadly pandemic that was taking swathes of the population

my 4 people with 1 test thing was me musing about how off the stats are. if its as contagious as people say, im sure living in the same household with it becomes unavoidable to not contract it. espescially when you wait 3 days for results and have 0 symptoms. basically what i was saying is that 1 confirmed result number, could be 4. none of them are dead lol. he comes back to work monday.

now not everyone is a family of 4, but i think its safe to assume the case rate is much higher than is reported because of these scenarios, and i find it hard to believe that any covid deaths are slipping through the cracks unreported

so its even less lethal than reported basically. i don't think thats conspiracy nonsense or anything other than common sense, but again thats me.

https://assets.weforum.org/editor/re...djQz8oqNA.webp

that chart is a little dated since the covid figure it uses is 2200 deaths a day, but it helps put into perspective those numbers. it disgusts me when politicians use shit like "more people died today of covid than died in 9/11" type figures. people die. its unavoidable. whether its from covid, the flu, a bus hits you, your heart explodes, blah blah. at a certain point we need to accept that covid exists and isn't going away, we can personally take what precautions we feel we need to, to avoid it. but this governmental overreach is terrifying to me, far more than the virus itself

thats just me tho. we're what 10 months into this now? 9 months? countless livelihoods destroyed, businesses that will never come back, and the worst part of all of it is the precedent has been set for future use of locking down. i don't like it

respect your point on cases potentially being underreported. But you could almost double the number of recorded cases and the death rate would still be above 1%.

but if we're going there, we also have to acknowledge potential underreporting of deaths (for political reasons or due to misclassification). People have been doing statistical gymnastics with reporting since the pandemic began.

You don't have to trust me on the 1% death rate, but I'm pretty confident in that because that's roughly the percentage used when forecasting covid deaths and it has been tracking reality pretty accurately.

You chart is good context in general, but it is misleading to compare global deaths from various diseases to the COVID death rates for Europe only. We're currently at 13k global deaths per day from COVID. That means it's deadlier than everything on your least except for cancer and heart attacks. That's pretty serious bruh.

THOSE DEATH NUMBERS INCLUDE “PROBABLE” CAUSES OF DEATHS FROM COVID. THEY ARE NOT ALL CONFIRMED CASES. 3k/day IS FALSE. AN “ESTIMATE”

Uh oh you are right to trust your gut. Don’t let peer pressure silence your intuition. Something IS OFF with all this shit. I’m telling you, use that intuition and look deeper into this, don’t just “go along with it” cuz you don’t want to be a conspiracy theorist.

Notice how fraze responded “coop is saying partial truth/nonsense” and then uses an example about how the vaccine doesn’t alter dna, as if I ever said that? Literally never said that. He ASSUMES I think that because that’s what “conspiracy theorists think” and all “theorists” must think the same. It’s embedded in these zombies that anything against the national narrative is conspiracy and it equals lizard people and flat earth. Fuck em. Keep your eyes open bruh

It’s like we are all pigs, standing in line for the slaughterhouse. I’m the mfer yelling we need to gtfo, y’all the mfers out here promoting bacon products with the farmer . Straight brainwashed

“ COVID-19 deaths are identified using a new ICD–10 code. When COVID-19 is reported as a cause of death – or when it is listed as a “probable” or “presumed” cause — the death is coded as U07.1. This can include cases with or without laboratory confirmation.“

STRAIGHT FROM THE CDCS WEBSITE.

PROBABLE OR PRESUMED <—- ARE YALL SKIPPING OVER THIS.

MEANING, IF YOU HAD FLU LIKE SYMPTOMS AROUND THE TIME OF DEATH, THATS ENOUGH TO SAY “WELL IT WAS LIKELY FROM COVID” EVEN THOUGH IT WASNT.

DOCTORS HAVE COME OUT AND SAID THEY WERE PRESSURED BY SUPERIORS TO USE THIS NEW CODE . JUST DO A SEARCH FOR YOURSELF. RUMOR IS HOSPITALS GET MORE MONEY

IM TELLING YOU THESE NUMBERS ARE OVERINFLATED BECAUSE OF THIS ALONE

DONT BELIEVE ME? TRY AND FIND THE SEPARATE NUMBERS OF “CONFIRMED” VS “PROBABLE”... YOU CANT. WHY IS THAT HIDDEN??

its not a rumor, its legislated fact, at least as far as medicare goes that they receive a certain amount of money per covid patient.

My apologies for the misattribution. I was basing that on the original post and the fact that you're anti-vaccine. If you don't think the vaccine alters DNA, not really sure what your problem with it is.

This website is one of the many places where you can find this data. I linked their explanation of the reason for differences in accounting methods but their data is available on the site for states that collect it.
https://covidtracking.com/blog/confi...unted-two-ways

My problem with it is that it SHOULDNT EVER BECOME MANDATORY, nor mandatory for “normal life activities” like the masks are

Lol incomplete at best. It’s only from may, and it’s less than half of the states

I’m driving so I’ll take a look later, but a preliminary scan of that page shows it supports my argument

Only problem with that is those are the two most effective ways to combat the virus. Is it worse to make people wear masks or to make them die? That's literally what you're doing if you let the virus run rampant.

The vaccine is a medical treatment, I'm pretty sure it would be unconstitutional to make getting it mandatory. Realistically, we're talking more about how the government would incentivize vaccination because a mandate is not enforceable.

So what if they are the most effective ways. Idgaf if the vaccine gave you superpowers and doubled your lifespan. It should still be a choice and there’s nothing anyone can say to make sense of “no we should force it into people against their will” period.

And to answer your question it’s worse to MAKE people wear masks. You assume people don’t have the wherewithal to make their own decisions about their health? Who are you to say what I HAVE TO DO because YOURE SCARED. FOH .

I have no problem with you wearing a mask. I have no problem with you getting a vaccine. Because it’s your life. But when you try to disrupt mine, and tell me I gotta do that shit, for a virus that isn’t as deadly as is being reported, you can promptly suck my dick. Y’all acting like this the walking dead virus or a virus that kills 1/3 people. IT AINT

If you wearing a mask would save even one life you should do it.

If you don't have the human decency to do it on your own, it should be made the law of the land.

Because it saves lifes.

People's lives are worth more than your slight inconvenience in wearing a mask.

You regurgitated that so nicely that you could be a news anchor or politician.

How about this, the people who are at risk can stay home! Then they’ll never be around me. Their life is safe. Mine is unhindered. Everyone wins.

You guys still going at it? Go outside

Sure that would work. Too bad it's not remotely realistic.

And nothing is regurgitated. I based my opinions on the data (and happened to come to the same conclusions as most reasonable adults: enact policies to limit deaths while minimizing the negative economic impact).

It's not my fault you're having trouble connecting the same dots.

I’m so tired of the “selfishness” rhetoric. We are doing all this for mostly old people. THE NUMBERS back that up. The overwhelmingly majority of these deaths and “probable” deaths are mostly over 50 and/or have other health issues. That’s inarguable.

Why don’t THEY stay home, (under a suggestion, not a mandate). You’re telling me it’s worth millions losing jobs because the at risk people can’t stay home?? Who’s really selfish. Make it make sense

LMAOOO WHAT YOU PUT IN PARANTHESIS IS LAUGHABLE. You can’t believe that. Lockdowns “minimized negative economic impact” lmaoooooo who can’t be serious

And how the hell is it not realistic? Suggesting people stay home is unrealistic?!?? Isn’t that what’s happening?!? Wow the contradictions

HEY! LOCKING DOWN THE WHOLE WORLD IS REALISTIC!

ONLY LOCKING DOWN OLD AND UNHEALTHY PEOPLE ISNT!


You sound stupid

Quarantining the sick and unhealthy and frail makes sense.

Quarantining the healthy does not!

It’s like y’all actually believe everyone has this disease already.

Except for the small fact that I haven't been advocating lockdowns.

At this point, I'm down to agree to disagree. Talking past you is a waste of my time.

Cool. Well I commend you, for actually attempting to talk sense instead of pure troll. You may not be MIT educated in real life but you aren’t a bumbling idiot

Lmao that you think I need your validation about where I went to school. I wasn't saying it to brag, just explaining where I get my perspective from.

i think the real question is how fat will that vax stimmy be

i aint doing it for 1200

but im open to negotiate

2500 minimum, only for people who make no more than $X per year

Maybe 100-150k or so

the stimulus will be 1200, 600 or nothing I mean we will just have to pay it back.

I'm using that shit on a new pc build if it goes through haha.

I put my first one in robbinhood not touching it till after this shits over lol.

fraze a legitimate cockroach compliant house nigga.

dawg the median age for covid related deaths is 83

83

any case suspected of having covid, for which the testing has been heavily criticized for cross-contamination by inept bolster staff, who dies within 30 days of said positive (questionable) test is misattributed as a covid death despite the actual cause

masks mandated several months into an ostensible pandemic is like forcing me to bag it after i spunked in your baby momma thinking it will be ayt

the virological doubts as to the legitmacy of sars-2 covid-19 but what the fuck we getting vaccinated for tho?

stfu son

I wonder what the death troll for Muslims are, they are always wearing a mask.

i feel like everyone has spent the last 9 months blaming each other for why things aren't going their way. because lots of people cant make a living and thats clearly fucked up

in my mind, our entire COVID situation in the US is really pretty simple and we all know it comes down to wealth

every single member of our legislative branch that rallied against ANY sort of genuine financial bailout for small businesses and households for the entire year of 2020 is responsible. simply shameful.

correct me if i'm wrong, but i feel most folks would've been happy to stay at home for a few weeks +, COLLECTIVELY, to help this pass if they could afford to eat and sleep and smoke and see their doctor at the same time. a vast majority of people don't really like their fucking jobs to begin with

conglomerates are too big to fail but a fair amount of the population has been utterly failed. and naturally, we find ways to fault one another. so now for masker and anti-masker Americans to be recreating this weird OPEN VS CLOSE civil war scenario in the face of an openly manufactured state of panic is pretty sad to see. i suspect the vaccine wars will be similar. i'm still on the fence myself.

everyone has their opinions re: whether to resume regular life or not. does it not boil down to our desire to survive comfortably? we can afford to survive comfortably as a country but fund allocation is everything. we're seeing 7 mile lines for food banks. something is clearly wrong here. and we wont solve it protesting whether we have to wear bandanas on our noses to order a beer

the people in favor of lockdowns don't look into the actual effects of the lockdowns. its not just people losing jobs, businesses/mental health, crime etc effected, locking down 1st world countries is sentencing 3rd world humans to death.

https://www.reuters.com/article/nobe...-idUSKBN28K1FJ

270 million people set to starve to death, 30 million of which is a direct result of 1st world nations locking down. thats the equivalent of 82,192 human beings dying every day, if you divide it by 365, because the government wants to look out for your grandma

the fact that you're quoting the median age like that's a useful number for understanding the distribution of covid deaths tells me your opinion has close to zero value.

i would break down why, but i'm content with knowing you're a moron. i could give a fuck who agrees/disagrees

Got damn it brings me joy to see not everyone is a brainwashed idiot.

Word to Eng & The Art of War, the quickest way to destroy the enemy is to divide the army. Divide and conquer. You want masks to be polarizing. You want the vaccine to be polarizing. That way people are fighting each other and not who they SHOULD be fighting.

I’ve seen people on social media say they’ve lost relationships with family over this! I mean cmon

Idk if you trolling or not but I am also curious to see the Covid numbers of cultures that always keep their face covered.

we finally agree on something.