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Diode 04-17-2019 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by seth (Post 736860)
Fair. Just seems illogical to worry about if you and others with this outlook give federal law enough power to say it’ll stop the loopholes from happening but you left loopholes for a fight against a law that by that logic you cannot fight anyway.
You're correct.

Welcome to politics.

Immolate 04-17-2019 12:09 PM
fuck 12, fuck all illegals coming over and killing my lil girl cousins for bein black. fuck all SJWs who ignore that and say 'hey come over!'

and fuck Pelosi for getting pissed when our great president said 'fine let's dump the illegals in your faggot sanctuary cities'....oh now she mad.

~RustyGunZ~ 04-17-2019 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Diode (Post 736864)
You're correct.

Welcome to politics.
Okay. I don’t appreciate the tone implying this will show me the woke concept of how politics work. If you’re okay with just shrugging your shoulders at things that’s cool. I’ll remain a person that thinks deeper than that.

~RustyGunZ~ 04-17-2019 12:16 PM
Also that WAS politics. The culture war has killed due process and compromise. So actually I disagree.

Diode 04-17-2019 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by seth (Post 736868)
Okay. I don’t appreciate the tone implying this will show me the woke concept of how politics work. If you’re okay with just shrugging your shoulders at things that’s cool. I’ll remain a person that thinks deeper than that.
There's nothing woke about it. Politics (particularly post-Citizens United American politics) is a war of attrition and logic is rarely involved in legislation, adjudication, or execution of anything. It's the ultimate stage of "fuck you, i got mine" and "what have you done for me lately?"

Which is why I decided to forgo using my degree on that stage. A lot of it still carries plenty of value in sales, though. Just a smaller stage is all.

Diode 04-17-2019 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by seth (Post 736871)
Also that WAS politics. The culture war has killed due process and compromise. So actually I disagree.
I'm referring to intra-party politics above. Correct in there is no compromise between rival parties in 2019. Captain Rhetoric and Turtleface made sure of that, though you could go back to Newt easily if you're looking for where the turn really started.

Amen 04-17-2019 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by seth (Post 736861)
@Amen I said fair in a post wanna chime in to support des and call me Veritas lite?
No thanks.

I’ve spoken my piece on the topic, no need to bring it up again.

Destroyer 04-17-2019 12:31 PM
Where’s the H come from then?
You ignorant waste of space
You’re why I’m for abortion @Immolate

Destroyer 04-17-2019 12:32 PM
Knuck, that was horrible
I’m playing football with my abortions?
Come on, man. You’re better than this.

~RustyGunZ~ 04-17-2019 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 736876)
Knuck, that was horrible
I’m playing football with my abortions?
Come on, man. You’re better than this.
I made the joke in a flippant, sarcastic way, actually implying and then clearly stating that if you truly believe that your post it was in response to was worth the bandwidth, then you are a fucking dumb ass

Destroyer 04-17-2019 12:37 PM
See, that was way better
Likely because it’s a mirror of an earlier one of my posts
But you see my point

Destroyer 04-17-2019 12:38 PM
Out of pure stupid, curiosity, what’s your view on the morning after pill?
Murder?

~RustyGunZ~ 04-17-2019 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 736879)
Out of pure stupid, curiosity, what’s your view on the morning after pill?
Murder?
It’s super ineffective and expensive. Not murder, I’m not religious about the act of sex making it the beginning of life. Hasn’t been enough time to do anything, and when it has the drug usually doesn’t work. Also most sexual encounters they’re used for aren’t going to stick without it anyhow. All around just a bad birth control.

Destroyer 04-17-2019 12:48 PM
So, what’s the exact cutoff point for you, that’s past sex, but before birth?

Diode 04-17-2019 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by seth (Post 736880)
most sexual encounters they’re used for aren’t going to stick without it anyhow.
i am highly intrigued re: your perspective that "type" of sexual encounter has anything to do with the odds of fertilization (notwithstanding following ovulation cycles)?

~RustyGunZ~ 04-17-2019 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Diode (Post 736883)
i am highly intrigued re: your perspective that "type" of sexual encounter has anything to do with the odds of fertilization (notwithstanding following ovulation cycles)?
for one yes ovulation cycles, otherwise just the fact it's usually one nighters. most people aren't THAT fertile. if they're having sex enough for it to be likely the encounter it's used for would stick, it would seem way more logical to just be on a long term solution

~RustyGunZ~ 04-17-2019 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 736882)
So, what’s the exact cutoff point for you, that’s past sex, but before birth?
it takes 6 to 8 days for the process to stick in a way that makes it undeniably a potential life. it's more of a moral issue to me. the fact people can know they are carrying a potential life and end it to make theirs easier, while doing little to nothing to prevent the "tragedy" from happening at first. but that would be the cut off I consider to be backed by biological evidence. aboot a week after the boom boom. before then it's just Schrodinger's womb.

Destroyer 04-17-2019 01:08 PM
Word, so here’s another question: when someone throws a newborn into a dumpster to die or leaves them in a field to die, that’s better than abortion because the kid at least got to breathe outside for a few before it died?

~RustyGunZ~ 04-17-2019 01:12 PM
In a shocking turn of events in morals, two bad things can coexist!!!

Maybe they didn’t teach common sense and basic logic when you went to college in the 80s

~RustyGunZ~ 04-17-2019 01:14 PM
And once again, you fail to be able to think critically and after multiple attempts to get it through your small brain IM NOT ADVOCATING ABORTIONS BEING ILLEGAL YOU DUMB ASS.

Destroyer 04-17-2019 01:15 PM
So, it’s more logical to allow life to suffer than prevent it from ever existing, in the new post 80s college logic?

Destroyer 04-17-2019 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by seth (Post 736890)
And once again, you fail to be able to think critically and after multiple attempts to get it through your small brain IM NOT ADVOCATING ABORTIONS BEING ILLEGAL YOU DUMB ASS.


Well, why not? You said it’s murder
In the new logic is murder cool now?

~RustyGunZ~ 04-17-2019 01:22 PM
I would prefer any mother that would throw a baby in a dumpster kill themselves

I don’t think prioritizing either of the scenarios you want to contrast is a moral thing to do. Bad things exist, it might be a positive thing to not call things “lesser evils” and make them acceptable. Again, you nimwit, I don’t think abortion should be illegal. You can’t kill an idea. You can’t ban things central to a way of cultural life. Etc. Idk what point you think you’re making, but you’re not being zany or intellectual so if that’s your purpose of the last few strings of poop mouth it’s okay to swallow it.

Is swallowing murder?!

~RustyGunZ~ 04-17-2019 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 736892)
Well, why not? You said it’s murder
In the new logic is murder cool now?
As long as they can vote for the bern

Destroyer 04-17-2019 01:26 PM
Hey, you’re the guy who obviously isn’t even non-pussy enough to take your own belief to its conclusion. If you think abortion is murder, you should be for the outlawing of abortion entirely. If you don’t, you clearly have no true moral ground to stand on.

Destroyer 04-17-2019 01:26 PM
Which isn’t news to me either

~RustyGunZ~ 04-17-2019 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 736898)
Hey, you’re the guy who obviously isn’t even non-pussy enough to take your own belief to its conclusion. If you think abortion is murder, you should be for the outlawing of abortion entirely. If you don’t, you clearly have no true moral ground to stand on.
I think some murder is justified. Call it what you will.

Destroyer 04-17-2019 01:30 PM
I did

~RustyGunZ~ 04-17-2019 01:31 PM
And you now understand that it’s your position as a pro-choice advocate?

Destroyer 04-17-2019 01:32 PM
We differ on the point of life beginning

~RustyGunZ~ 04-17-2019 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 736906)
We differ on the point of life beginning
I provided biological evidence of a realistic start to life. Where is yours?

Do we agree or differ on abortions being okay to save the physical life of the mother, in the event the fetus is dead, or will be physically deformed or ill and suffer outside of the womb? And that other abortions aren’t actually necessary with all of the modern birth controls?

Real Spit 04-17-2019 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Immolate (Post 736787)
politics are for poor people

im actually working with a guy who ran for governor once. god i wish he wasnt so old. would run him again and run his campaign.

sjw fags can suck it, bernie won't ever win. Trump will win 2020 unless dems steal it with illegals voting and fake ballots. that's a fact
MAGA

Destroyer 04-17-2019 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by seth (Post 736909)
I provided biological evidence of a realistic start to life. Where is yours?
When one gets a job

~RustyGunZ~ 04-17-2019 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 736930)
When one gets a job
Laughable example

@Finnydot

Evidence refuted

~RustyGunZ~ 04-17-2019 02:55 PM
It's over. You got triggered and then owned. Checkmate.

Destroyer 04-17-2019 03:09 PM
Lol. How many times do I have to tell you, you’re not worth arguing with?
You’re coming from the viewpoint of “murder is bad except when I say it’s not”
We’re going to have to agree to disagree

~RustyGunZ~ 04-17-2019 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 736947)
Lol. How many times do I have to tell you, you’re not worth arguing with?
You’re coming from the viewpoint of “murder is bad except when I say it’s not”
We’re going to have to agree to disagree
>tiny mind

>cannot compute

>havent seen on buzzfeed

>exit

~RustyGunZ~ 04-17-2019 03:14 PM
murder is bad when he says so dumb
elimination is okay when I say so v smart

veritas 04-17-2019 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Diode (Post 736854)
Marijuana remains Schedule 1 at the federal level and is federally illegal to own, possess, distribute, manufacture, etc. in all 50 states. State laws and federal laws come into conflict frequently. The willingness to bring those laws to trial is what decides whether or not something remains in conflict. For marijuana, the DOJ has erred on the side of not challenging the states but rather prosecuting individuals.

For late term abortions, you can bet your ass a mother trying to leverage loose language to abort for any reason other than what Roe set precedent for would have an army of lawyers descend upon the statehouse faster than she could take a breath.

I never told you that you couldn't have an opinion (hence stating that none of this argument even makes sense since morally you are opposed to all abortions). And I simply pointed out that no state legislator intended for a protective state law to be misconstrued to legalize all late term abortions. Unfortunately, the sqwakboxes on the right chose to spin it that way.

You and Des and Bern and Boof are its own thing and I ain't touching it.
1. I respect the brown belt. However I must challenge your tone that your “research” is absolute on this. The more you speak the more you drift into political agenda/opinion Chris.

2. I don’t know if you can blame the right wing squak boxes for spinning, when that senator literally said he wanted the bill to allow the child to be born, and kept comfy while the mother and doctor decide whether to murder, I mean terminate it.


Fair?

~RustyGunZ~ 04-17-2019 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by PancakeBrah (Post 737007)
Not sure who I agree with yet. Compelling arguments on both sides. Give me a few more posts each.
Roe v Wade and planned parenthood were created to control the population in black communities.


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