i think bags is right but for me that technical juice aint worth the cringy squeeze and hasnt been for awhile

As a multi racial person rI give Eminem a thumbs up.

It's okay for everyone to like what they like.
It's nice if people can try and see where others are coming from for enjoying what they do.

I didn't like it much the first time I heard it.

Then I stopped judging it and just enjoyed it for what it is.

Em is like Jordan when he came out of retirement
Dude still put up like 30 pts a game and people were like “he’s shit now”

Get this fucking audio out my Audi yo, adiós
I can see why people like lil yacthy but not me tho
Not even dissing it just ain't for me, all I am simply is just an emcee
Maybe Stan just isn't your cup of tea...maybe ur cup's full of syrup and lean

The cup of tea nod to Stan’s chorus.

booth is 1000% correct in this thread.

him asking if you've made music wasn't a "i make music" standpoint, it was simply a question because anyone who actually understands the craft understands how difficult it is to be both complex, within the parameters of a flow thats fresh, while sitting within a beat perfectly.

eminem on the other hand is so skilled that you can see his shortcomings and spots where he either decides, fuck it, or forces his flow which in essence is also a fuck it. but all that said i completely understand what people enjoy in it.

we all listen to music for different reasons.

look at improvised jazz. or just alot of jazz in general, where all the musicians are going OFF with the most intricate shit. to me it sounds like pure fucking NONSENSE. but to the trained ear of a dude who plays piano, he's JIZZING on himself hearing someone go off like WTF this dudes the GOAT. meanwhile it does nothing for me. i'd rather listen to some smooth soul from the same era, that is ridiculously simple, just simple chord progressions, a rhythm guitar stabbing in on the snare etc.

its pleasing musically.

also i'm the wrong person to talk to when we're speaking about people relevant in hip hop in 2018.

i like that AZ was brought up though, but obviously "the format" should be used to display his lyricism. he's probably my favorite when he is 100 percent on point. he's never WACK. but he can be as average as any other "good" lyricist. the sad part is he is pretty average as far as good lyricists in hip hop go the majority of the time. but when he is on point its hard to compete.

but again there are different types of lyricism. i only like the mention of AZ with EM because they both tend to go crazy with schemes of multis while working in inner rhymes, and even rhyming entire bars for periods of time.

but then you have the black thought's of the world, who doesn't get AS complex as them, but his content of his bars is far beyond their shit WHILE still being complex enough to be masterful

and then you got guys like jay electronica who on the surface is NOWHERE NEAR them, from a complexity standpoint, but he is as good of a lyricist as they come. no ones writing like him.

thats just a few examples, its way too complex to really break down. but again i can't seperate the rapper from the music, thats why i can look at jay electronica in the same category as them without blinking an eye, while from your guys standpoint thats just silly.

but the problem comes in, that i completely understand your guys' viewpoint, and why you form your opinion the way you do, but you don't understand mine. its from a place of ignorance, whether self imposed or not. you either never wanted to see the skill in them or just never bothered to. im probably spoiled from my foray into pretending to be a beatmaker and being exposed to so many different styles you gain a different appreciation of how artists attack beats.

I actually think Az is better at rhyming then eminem tbh. Em has alot of corny stuff he uses to rhyme. Crap, poop and stuff like that & some of the most predictable multis. I generally think AZ on point is a better lyricist in rhyming depo. Always thought GZA the genius was a hell of a lyricist as well, Killah priest & Ghostface too

Video for Fall is so bad lol

The Donald Trump orange scheme on The Ringer is probably the best rap I've heard in awhile. I dont listen to rap though, much. The Ringer, parts of Greatest, Joyner Lucas on Lucky You, Not Alike (aside from that God awful hook), and maybe some sections of Stepping Stone are keepers. Nothing else. The Ringer actually is what everyone thought Rap God was.

I like eminem to.

Lmfao

Openmic/Goldmic was active from like 98 to 04 then slowly died after that. I think it officially died in 08.

Already/ R. Kelly doesn’t multi for me tbh

i think we can all agree em is better than buddens though.

common ground

sorry hush but thats truth .....kanye and pusha T ...nawwww....no way...


this beef is dope tho isnt it.... who else is getting wet again like this was nas and Jay Z hhaahahahah I LOVE IT

I’d rather have a Budden tape in the whip than em and would prefer not to listen to either outside of that

So disagree

What

Em really shook shit up.

So

Went thru ems catalogue today


Every song on his first two albums was fire

What about the third?

Less than half

Memes are rarely nuanced. They remind me of Idiocracy. I’m sitting on my couch genuinely thinking how only real writers who write in scheme heavy styles understand how good Em is.

Saw this fella @boof talking about how it’s meaningless multiple syllable rhymes. Dude on the car rapping spoof insinuates the same sentiment. Budden claimed Em’s just rhymed a bunch of words the last decade.

That view point exposes one or many of multiple reasons why those people don’t get it.

I know most of you have never heard of Dos Noun or his album Paper Animals, but it’s one of the best multi syllable rhyming album I’ve ever heard. It sounds like shit. He has a cardboard flow and monotone delivery. As music in terms of musicality, it’s complete garbage, but from a lyrical standpoint it’s incredible. Eminem has incorporated so many things into his style, that only makes the way he schemes that much more impressive.

Tldr: Em’s a legend and no one can match his lyrical ability.

I have a career ending verse for everyone named Cristian who posts on Netcees.

Going to leave the mistake to shame myself.

Edit: nvrm

>post meme
>say other meme posted is dumb cus memes are dumb
>win Internet in the name of Marshall

I meant more when they’re used to generalize groups of people.

But LOL

lets all pretend that we don't understand your viewpoint

provide an example of how eminems lyricism is so far advanced, how he is incorporating all these things and isn't just "rhyming words"

Ok, I read a review where someone pointed out a line on his new record that’s like “get that audio out of my Audi yo, adios,” and was like “he’s not saying anything!!!”
The fuck he’s not
Get that bullshit music out of my car. BYE
Like, the shit isn’t rocket science
But for real, we give dudes shit when it doesn’t work both ways
Em has shit on here that works like four ways. So, wtf?

Eminem is not only the best textcee ever but he is a legend in the audio community

When will this heathens understand?

@Barcotic is the best textcee i thought??

Show me here where he is just rhyming random words with no meaning.


*Plane crashing*
Yo, yo I'm just gonna write down
My first thoughts, and see where this takes me
'Cause I feel like I wanna punch the world in the fuckin' face right now
Yeah

Verse 1
Let me explain just how to make greatness
Straight out the gate, I'm 'bout to break you down
Ain't no mistakes allowed, but make no mistake, I'm 'bout
To rape the alphabet, I may raise some brows
If I press the issue just to get the anger out (brrr)
Full magazine could take staples out
Savage, but ain't thinkin' 'bout no bank account

But bitch, I'm off the chain like Kala Brown
Motherfucker, shut the fuck up when I'm talkin', lil' bitch
I'm sorry, wait, what's your talent? Oh, critiquin'
My talent? Oh, bitch, I don't know who the fuck y'all are
To give a sub-par bar, even have an opinion of you
You mention me, millions of views
Attention in news, I mention you
Lose-lose for me, win-win for you
Billions of views, your ten cents are two
Skim through the music to give shit reviews
To get clicks, but bitch, you just lit the fuse
Don't get misconstrued, business as us'
Shit-list renewed, so get shit to do
Or get dissed, 'cause I just don't get
What the fuck half the shit is that you're listenin' to, do
You have any idea how much I hate this choppy flow
Everyone copies though? Probably no
Get this fuckin' audio out my Audi, yo, adiós

I can see why people like Lil Yachty, but not me though
Not even dissin', it just ain't for me
All I am simply is just an MC
Maybe, "Stan" just isn't your cup of tea
Maybe, your cup's full of syrup and lean
Maybe, I need to stir up shit, preferably
Shake the world up if it were up to me
Paul wants me to chill, y'all want me to ill
I should eat a pill, probably I will
Old me kill the new me, watch him bleed to death
I breathe on the mirror, I don't see my breath
Possibly, I'm dead, I must be possessed
Like an evil spell, I'm E-V-I-L (evil, spelled)
Jam a Crest Whitestrip in the tip of my dick
With an ice pick, stick it in a vice grip
Hang it on a spike fence, bang it with a pipe wrench
While I take my ballsack and flick it like a light switch
Like vice-president Mike Pence back up on my shit in a sidekick

As I lay it on a spike strip
These are things that I'd rather do than hear you on a mic, since
Nine tenths of your rhyme is about ice, and
Jesus Christ, man, how many times is
Someone gonna fuck on my bitch? (Fuck my side chick)
You won't ever see Em icy
But as cold as I get on the M-I-C
I polarize shit, so the Thames might freeze
And your skull might split, like I passed you upside it
Bitch I got the club on smash like a nightstick (yeah)
Turn down for what? I ain't loud enough
Nah, turn the Valium up
'Cause I don't know how I'm gonna get your mouths to shut
Now when it doesn't matter what caliber I spit at
I'll bet a hundred thousand bucks
You'll turn around and just be like
"Man, how the fuck sourpuss gonna get mad just 'cause his album sucks?
And now he wants to take it out on us." (ooh-ooh)

But last week, an ex-fan mailed me a copy
Of The Mathers LP to tell me to study
It'll help me get back to myself and she'll love me (ooh-ooh)
I mailed the bitch back and said if I did that
I'd just be like everyone else in the fucking industry
Especially an effing Recovery clone of me
So finger-bang, chicken wang, MGK, Iggy 'zae
Lil Pump, Lil Xan imitate Lil Wayne
I should aim at everybody in the game, pick a name
I'm fed up with being humble
And rumor is I'm hungry, I'm sure you heard bumblings
I heard you wanna rumble like an empty stomach
I heard your mumblin' but it's jumbled in mumbo-jumbo
The era that I'm from will pummel you
That's what it's comin' to
What the fuck are you gonna do? Where you runnin' to?
I'm gonna crumble you and I'll take a number two
And dump on you if you ain't Joyner

If you ain't Kendrick or Cole or Sean, then you're a goner
I'm 'bout to bring it to anyone in this bitch who want it
I guess when you walk into BK you expect a Whopper
You can order a Quarter Pounder when you go to McDonald's
But if you're lookin' to get a porterhouse you better go get Revival
But y'all are acting like I tried to serve you up a slider
Maybe the vocals should have been auto-tuned
And you would have bought it
But sayin' I no longer got it
'Cause you missed the line and never caught it
'Cause it went over your head, because you're too stupid to get it
'Cause you're mentally retarded, but pretend to be the smartest
With your expertise and knowledge, but you'll never be an artist
And I'm harder on myself than you could ever be regardless
What I'll never be is flawless, all I ever be is honest
Even when I'm gone they're gonna say I brought it
Even when I hit my forties like a fuckin' alcoholic
With a bottle full of malt liquor
But I couldn't bottle this shit any longer
The fact that I know that I'ma hit my bottom
If I don't pull myself from the jaws of defeat and rise to my feet
I don't see why y'all even started with me
I get impeached, my enemies die
I don't cease fire till at least all are deceased
I'm eastside, never be caught slippin'
Now you see why I don't sleep
Not even a wink, I don't blink
I don't doze off, I don't even nod to the beats
I don't even close my fuckin' eyes when I sneeze
"Aw, man, that BET cypher was weak, it was garbage
The Thing ain't even orange, oh my God, that's a reach"
Shout to all my colorblind people, each and every one of y'all
If you call a fire engine green, aquamarine
Or you think water is pink
"Dawg, that's a date," "Looks like an olive to me."
"Look, there's an apple!" "No it's not, it's a peach!"
So finger-bang, Pootie Tang
Burger King, Gucci Gang, dookie, dang
Charlamagne gonna hate anyway
Doesn't matter what I say
Give me Donkey of the Day
What a way for 2018 to get underway
But I'm gonna say everything that I wanna say
Welcome to the slaughterhouse, bitch (yeah)
Invite them in like a One A Day
I'm not done (preach)
'Cause I feel like the Beast of Burden
That line in the sand, was it even worth it?
'Cause the way I see people turnin'
Is makin' it seem worthless
It's startin' to defeat the purpose
I'm watchin' my fan base shrink to thirds
And I was just tryin' to do the right thing, but word
Has the court of public opinion reached a verdict
Or still yet to be determined?
'Cause I'm determined to be me, critique the worship
But if I could go back I'd at least reword it
And say I empathize with the people this evil serpent
Sold the dream to that he's deserted
But I think it's workin'
These verses are makin' him a wee bit nervous
And he's too scurred to answer me with words
'Cause he knows that he will lyrically get murdered
But I know at least he's heard it
'Cause Agent Orange just sent the Secret Service
To meet in person to see if I really think of hurtin' him
Or ask if I'm linked to terrorists
I said, "Only when it comes to ink and lyricists."
But my beef is more media journalists
(Hold up, hold up, hold up)
I said my beef is more meaty, a journalist
Can get a mouthful of flesh
And yes, I mean eating a penis
'Cause they been pannin' my album to death
So I been givin' the media fingers
Don't wanna turn this to a counselling sesh
But they been puttin' me through the ringer
So I ain't ironin' shit out with the press
But I just took this beat to the cleaners

first 20 bars read like a finny verse tbh

also "while i take my ballsack and flick it like a light switch" is the worst line ever & that whole color blind section is retarded

id quote all the cringey parts but it'd take too long

Everything he’s saying is a coherent thought, and many of the stanzas build narratives relevant to what he’s trying to get across. It doesn’t get any less ‘just rhyming words’ than that lol

I saw some review trashing Not Alike because he used the flow from that Cash Me Ouside girl’s track. The whole point of the track is how dumb new music is. It’s why he’s saying random, meaningless shit that rhymes as the chorus.

When Em said, ‘New Kids on the Block sucked a lot of dick. Boy girl groups make me sick...’ Nobody was accusing him of stealing LFO’s melody, because that was the fucking point lol

I don't know who the fuck y'all are
To give a sub-par bar, or even have an opinion of you
You mention me, millions of views
Attention in news, I mention you
Lose-lose for me, win-win for you
Billions of views, your ten cents are two
Skim through the music to give shit reviews
To get clicks, but bitch, you just lit the fuse
Don't get misconstrued, business as us'
Shit-list renewed, so get shit to do
Or get dissed, 'cause I just don't get
What the fuck half the shit is that you're listenin' to, do
You have any idea how much I hate this choppy flow
Everyone copies though? Probably no
Get this fuckin' audio out my Audi, yo, adiós

Is it Canibus talking about planets aligning and energy fields? With a crazy fucking flow and delivery, he’s spitting constant multiple syllable rhymes, and what he’s saying content wise is pretty straight forward. The audio/Audi, yo/adios shit is just dope penmanship.

I can see why people like Lil Yachty, but not me though
Not even dissin', it just ain't for me
All I am simply is just an MC
Maybe, "Stan" just isn't your cup of tea
Maybe, your cup's full of syrup and lean

Here he comes out and says what he’s been saying about stupid ass music since he came out. Em did turn into a label owner and business commodity. Em went from underground, antiestablishment on his first 3-4 records, to being the establishment. Relapse is full of references to struggling with that concept. He was sloppy on that album. MMLP2 he really started refining the style he has now. Wordplay heavy with insane schemes and flow. I remember reading somewhere that after the hiatus between Encore and Relapse that he had to reteach himself how to write. The last track of Relapse is Underground and the narrative was, ‘this record sucks, except for Underground.’ Relapse is a guilty pleasure because he’s just spazzing the fuck out on schemes and weird shit. Recovery is like your fun uncle who grew up. The wordplay on there is the worst. MMLP2 is fucking dope. Revival is fucking dope and Kamikaze is Em back to being antiestablishment and unapologetic. I hope he keeps the throttle to the floor in this direction. It’s almost back where he started, only now he’s being unabashedly lyrically complex... over trap beats with modern cadences. It’s scathing criticism hidden in (apparently subtle) satire.

Maybe ‘Stan’ just isn’t your cup of tea
Maybe your cup’s full’a syrup and lean.

Old me killed the new me, watch him bleed to death
I breathe on the mirror, I don't see my breath
Possibly, I'm dead, I must be possessed
Like an evil spell, I'm E-V-I-L

Just rhyme like an evil spell with the spelling of evil. How is that JUST rhyming words? The meaning behind the line ties into the rest of the stanza topically and it’s lyrcism at its purest.

If you understand it then I can’t explain it.

Just relistened to mmlp. This will not be repeated in our life time where we will appreciate it. No one our age (24 to 38 I'd say) can deny this album it's credit. The lyrics for its era are just unmatched. Sad. He should have stopped after recovery.