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Destroyer 02-16-2016 08:37 PM

Matthew 27: 51-53

veritas 02-16-2016 08:49 PM

Ok thought so, so what's the problem?

Destroyer 02-16-2016 08:53 PM

the problem i have is multiple dead people rising from their graves and appearing to many people, yet somehow escaping all other historical accounts of that period, save for the bible, seems to be highly implausible. That would be the biggest historical event, EVER, and would not simply be neglected by all other lore.

Dominate 02-16-2016 09:02 PM

Veritas. Calm down.

Read what I said.

You said the bible uses rounding.

I said

"31 would be rounding. 30 is well off."

The bible gives the circumference as 30, the diameter as 10.

The circumference of a circle with a diameter of 10, when rounded, is 31, not 30.

This is elementary level maths.

I am not claiming, nor have I ever claimed, that 3.14 rounds to 4.

Hush 02-16-2016 09:03 PM

Fuck u guys for debating this on a txt rap site

veritas 02-16-2016 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominate (Post 567669)
Veritas. Calm down.

Read what I said.

You said the bible uses rounding.

I said

"31 would be rounding. 30 is well off."

The bible gives the circumference as 30, the diameter as 10.

The circumference of a circle with a diameter of 10, when rounded, is 31, not 30.

I didn't say the bible uses rounding. I said it could.

Now then....use your math skills to show how the answer is still pi. Prove the divinity of God and your math skills, human.

veritas 02-16-2016 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 567665)
the problem i have is multiple dead people rising from their graves and appearing to many people, yet somehow escaping all other historical accounts of that period, save for the bible, seems to be highly implausible. That would be the biggest historical event, EVER, and would not simply be neglected by all other lore.

Jesus rising from the dead is the biggest historical event. Where is his tomb? Where is hi's corpse? I have no problems with this not being reported in fact I expect it.

The problem with you is that you wouldn't believe though 1 rose from the dead....let alone many. See?

Dominate 02-16-2016 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigger Jim (Post 567675)
I didn't say the bible uses rounding. I said it could.

And I showed that that was not a viable 'out' because a rounded figure for the circumference would be 31, not 30. It's OK to admit when you're wrong V. On this point you clearly are. It would behoove you to admit so.

Quote:

Now then....use your math skills to show how the answer is still pi. Prove the divinity of God and your math skills, human.

I see you've done some googling. You're referring now to the 'out' where the 10 cubits is measured on the inside of the circle and the 30 cubits is measured around the outside, and the width of the brim is chosen so that the ratio works out as something much closer to pi than 3.

Yes, you can make the math check out that way, but I think it's very odd to give one dimension measured inside and the other mentioned outside.

Also, now it's you who is flip-flopping - you WERE claiming that Hiram COULDN'T make a circle that was this close to perfect. You seemed pretty sure.

veritas 02-16-2016 09:44 PM

@Dominate I was just saying that the 3 you brought up could have been rounded. With just the numbers 3 x 10 = 30. I get the whole 3.14 equals 31. We were just talking about 2 diff things.

I said that nothing would be perfect if a man made it bc YOU were trying to say that this was an imperfect measurment.

A simple Google search shows no flip flopping....rather you grasping at straws and jumping to conclusions before you studied the end of the matter.

You are the mathematician....explain to these good people how the HANDBREATH you forgot to mention was the distance between the inner and outer aND how it rectifie's the pi.

As for flip flopping no. I never flip flop. I just want to see if you know any thing. I wanted to try to reason with you to determine y I ur agenda.

Destroyer 02-16-2016 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigger Jim (Post 567677)
Jesus rising from the dead is the biggest historical event. Where is his tomb? Where is hi's corpse? I have no problems with this not being reported in fact I expect it.

The problem with you is that you wouldn't believe though 1 rose from the dead....let alone many. See?

nah bro. one rising from the dead is understandably easy to write off by a lot of people. but a horde of walking dead, isnt something people ignore or miss. where is socrates tomb? was he ressurected also?

veritas 02-16-2016 09:49 PM

It's in greece, bro. And really....Jesus was seen by 500 people the bible says after he resurrected. That isn't reported.

I am sure historical anecdotes of it have been lost. The point is that all the other events surrounding his death and redirection WERE recorded and I showed you and you forgot. Or chose to ignore it.

veritas 02-16-2016 09:52 PM

@Dominate

Please teach us the math...so that other's can see your error.

Dominate 02-16-2016 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigger Jim (Post 567680)
@Dominate I was just saying that the 3 you brought up could have been rounded. With just the numbers 3 x 10 = 30. I get the whole 3.14 equals 31. We were just talking about 2 diff things.

Sorry, it doesn't work V.

The bible *implies* the number 3, it doesn't explicitly state it like it does 10 and 30, so you can't claim that 3 has been rounded, only 10 or 30. And, 10 and 30 are still incorrect with rounding.

Quote:

I said that nothing would be perfect if a man made it bc YOU were trying to say that this was an imperfect measurment.
You were saying that the wonky circle described was the best a man could do in those days.

That was the first thing you claimed and the point you stuck to until very recently - you were asking me to paint my yard with the best circle I could to try to prove that although Hiram's circle wasn't perfect, it was nonetheless impressive.

ONLY now you're talking about how the width of the brim could come into it and how that could render a circle that's pretty close to perfect.

Which is absolutely fine - just admit that you didn't initially have the correct interpretation.

Quote:

A simple Google search shows no flip flopping....rather you grasping at straws and jumping to conclusions before you studied the end of the matter.

You are the mathematician....explain to these good people how the HANDBREATH you forgot to mention was the distance between the inner and outer aND how it rectifie's the pi.
I don't think the people are interested in the details lol. But yes, it's true - if you take 10 cubits as the inside diameter, 30 cubits as the outside circumference, and allow for a certain width of the brim, you can get the circumference to diameter ratio to equal 3.14ish.

Again though, it's weird to give one inside dimension and one outside dimension.

The oval shape explanation is more viable IMO. I think it's out of place that the shape wouldn't be better described if that was the case, but it seems less forced than measuring one inside dimension and one outside dimension.



Quote:

As for flip flopping no. I never flip flop. I just want to see if you know any thing. I wanted to try to reason with you to determine y I ur agenda.
Clearly I know some things. Math for example.

I told you my "agenda" many posts ago.

And I believe you HAVE flip-flopped. Or at least let's say you've changed tact. You were sure you had the right explanation/interpretation in your very first post. Now your explanation/interpretation is different.

You have used science/reason to help you interpret the bible. :)

PancakeBrah 02-16-2016 10:18 PM

What's sad is this thread represents like 30% of all Netcees activity.

That is what is sad.

veritas 02-16-2016 10:18 PM

So will you say that what you learned from the bible is that pi = 3
14?

PancakeBrah 02-16-2016 10:20 PM

Nigger Jim is like that guy in school, everyone knows the one, that is always talking about shit but is retarded.

Like, the retarded person in the school.

Dominate 02-16-2016 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigger Jim (Post 567687)
So will you say that what you learned from the bible is that pi = 3
14?

No...?

There were better approximations to Pi a long time before the bible.

PancakeBrah 02-16-2016 10:25 PM

Dominate is the math teacher.

Dominate 02-16-2016 10:26 PM

Who are you Dan?

veritas 02-16-2016 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominate (Post 567685)
Sorry, it doesn't work V.

The bible *implies* the number 3, it doesn't explicitly state it like it does 10 and 30, so you can't claim that 3 has been rounded, only 10 or 30. And, 10 and 30 are still incorrect with rounding.



You were saying that the wonky circle described was the best a man could do in those days.

That was the first thing you claimed and the point you stuck to until very recently - you were asking me to paint my yard with the best circle I could to try to prove that although Hiram's circle wasn't perfect, it was nonetheless impressive.

ONLY now you're talking about how the width of the brim could come into it and how that could render a circle that's pretty close to perfect.

Which is absolutely fine - just admit that you didn't initially have the correct interpretation.



I don't think the people are interested in the details lol. But yes, it's true - if you take 10 cubits as the inside diameter, 30 cubits as the outside circumference, and allow for a certain width of the brim, you can get the circumference to diameter ratio to equal 3.14ish.

Again though, it's weird to give one inside dimension and one outside dimension.

The oval shape explanation is more viable IMO. I think it's out of place that the shape wouldn't be better described if that was the case, but it seems less forced than measuring one inside dimension and one outside dimension.





Clearly I know some things. Math for example.

I told you my "agenda" many posts ago.

And I believe you HAVE flip-flopped. Or at least let's say you've changed tact. You were sure you had the right explanation/interpretation in your very first post. Now your explanation/interpretation is different.

You have used science/reason to help you interpret the bible. :)

You just missed the hand breath measurment bro. It was an honest mistake. Your agenda made you miss it. I told you a few posts back that if God built it it would he perfect and if Hiram built it it wouldn't be....I don't know. But I do know that you were wrong about pi being 3.

I just wanted you to learn how to study the bible. For truth. Not agenda. See?

Now then....please man up and change the thread title to today I learned that the bible says pi equals 3.14.

Then read that book I sent you.

I love you. Good night. Until next time.

Shout out to pancake brah

PancakeBrah 02-16-2016 10:29 PM

I'm the guy writing text bars with a throwback Tracy McGrady jersey on BUT WITH THE NAME EMINEM ON THE BACK.

Veritas; saying goodbye or goodnight on a forum was the sign of shit boarding in 2007 for crissakes. Update your game, holmes, or it will leave you behind.

veritas 02-16-2016 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dominate (Post 567690)
No...?

There were better approximations to Pi a long time before the bible.

You have already admitted that the the math works....to make it 3.14...that means your initial reasoning and desire for this thread are wrong and have backfired.

Put down your agenda, humble yourself, apologize and change the thread title.

You study math....that shows me you are concerned with the truth. The numbers didn't lie..your eyes are just blinded. I am trying to help you to see. You have come this far...don't stop now.

Apologize. Change the threaD title.

On you now....you are at a crossroads. This is a pivotal moment.

veritas 02-16-2016 10:31 PM

Dancake....you read infinite jest yet? Of course you havent.

And stay away...you have made your choice. There is still hope with @Dominate

PancakeBrah 02-16-2016 10:32 PM

It's a personal failing of mine I've been too busy SINNING AND GAMBLING MY FOOLISH LIFE INTO THE ABYSS OF HELL WHERE THE AREA OF RECTANGLE IS EQUAL TO THE CABOOSE OF THOMAS THE TRAIN

veritas 02-16-2016 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PancakeBrah (Post 567698)
It's a personal failing of mine I've been too busy SINNING AND GAMBLING MY FOOLISH LIFE INTO THE ABYSS OF HELL WHERE THE AREA OF RECTANGLE IS EQUAL TO THE CABOOSE OF THOMAS THE TRAIN

Your cries for help grow louder. Read infinite jest and get back to me. Did you know the authot of it committed suicide? He suffered from depression. ....just like you.

PancakeBrah 02-16-2016 10:38 PM

Tell me more.

veritas 02-16-2016 10:39 PM

Read infinite jest and get back to me. We will talk then.

PancakeBrah 02-16-2016 10:41 PM

I thought you were sleeping?

Destroyer 02-16-2016 10:41 PM

this is water

Dominate 02-16-2016 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dominate

Again though, it's weird to give one inside dimension and one outside dimension.

The oval shape explanation is more viable IMO. I think it's out of place that the shape wouldn't be better described if that was the case, but it seems less forced than measuring one inside dimension and one outside dimension.



@Nigger Jim

veritas 02-16-2016 10:43 PM

@Dominate


Show that you care for truth more than agenda. Show that you can put down the ego. Apologize. Change the thread title. Read the book I gave you.

veritas 02-16-2016 10:44 PM

You also admitted that the numbers equal pi. Your weirdness matters not. You just forgot to factor in the handsbreath. Easy mistake bro. Own it. Apologize and change the title.

I am going to read the Bible then sleep. I will check this in the morning and pray that you make the right choice. I love you.

Dominate 02-16-2016 10:46 PM

So you're just gonna ignore that part of my post?

You said previously that "maybe" it could be an oval.

Now you're sure it's a circle with one inside and one outside measurement described?

dull boy 02-17-2016 07:51 AM

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lmao get it


threeigger

nigger
lol

veritas 02-17-2016 08:23 AM

@Dominate.

The burden of proof was on you. You came in making definitive claims. I sat back and allowed it. I told you that I was trying to reason with you first. Perhaps it meant something different? I.e perhaps you interpretted it different?

It turns out that you did interpret it wrong, because you left out the Handbreadth measurement. Its ok. even math teachers make mistakes.

I couldn't just blast you initially man, we had to break it down, let you see how you jumped to conclusions and thought wrong etc.

It was just chess and not checkers.

You now know and have said that the Bible says pi=3.14.

please change thread title to reflect your new found knowledge and appreciation of the Book.

Destroyer 02-17-2016 08:37 AM

why would you ever say the burden of proof is on anyone but you?
It literally is all on you, Veritas. Because you are the one making unfounded claims both about what the bible says and what you purport to know about it. Most athiests know the intri***ies of the bible a lot better than believers do. One would argue that's precisely WHY they are athiests. But don't ever try to put the burden of proof on anyone else who is a nonbeliever. We have nothing to prove, nor can we. Absence of evidence is not proof of absence. There's literally no way to prove that something does not exist, the onus falls on the ones who believe something does exist. So, again, get the entire fuck out of here.

veritas 02-17-2016 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 567754)
why would you ever say the burden of proof is on anyone but you?
It literally is all on you, Veritas. Because you are the one making unfounded claims both about what the bible says and what you purport to know about it. Most athiests know the intri***ies of the bible a lot better than believers do. One would argue that's precisely WHY they are athiests. But don't ever try to put the burden of proof on anyone else who is a nonbeliever. We have nothing to prove, nor can we. Absence of evidence is not proof of absence. There's literally no way to prove that something does not exist, the onus falls on the ones who believe something does exist. So, again, get the entire fuck out of here.


Ok Jude, So dominate could come in here and say: "Hey guys I just learned the bible commanded every 4th dinosuar to build a rocket ship capable of warp flight to save itself from the incoming comets" and I would have to prove it?


The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. I simply socrates after they make the claim.

that is the treasured formula.


You just sound SUPER sassy-mad this morning. everything ok?

Destroyer 02-17-2016 08:57 AM

the bolded part is accurate
and you are the one claiming the bible to be divinely written
so that burden is on you

veritas 02-17-2016 09:03 AM

Sure jude. For the purposes of this thread dominate came in saying that the molten sea was not built to pi. This meant that the Bible did not correspond to divinity because God would not have put something wrong.

I responeed first to get Dom to see that 1. If a man built it it could not be perfect nor did the bible state it's exact shape. I did this not because I completely believed those positions but because I wanted to see what dims reasoning was.

2. Then After multiple pages I showed him how his calculations were wrong. And how the molten sea does come out to pi. DOM admitted that it worked.

The issue is that Dom was unable to reason either reasonably or mathematically because his agenda was that it was not what it said it was. GOD'S WORD. so he looked for holes but was found wrong.
So the Bible wins this round.

Fair?

Destroyer 02-17-2016 09:06 AM

no, but you are super delusional
fair?


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