bro corporations run the government i hope to god you at least know that

so giving corporations more money, is just going to go in the pockets of the ceo's that are already the richest in the history of the world, and to more lobbying, to write more laws to help corporations get more money. they are giving you crumbs to shut up and not pay attention to the gross income inequality that is going to continue skyrocketing.

you think the government getting more money is bad but the corporations getting more money is good

in both scenarios we get no real money increase. our wages are not going up. the national average income in america has been 33k for 20 fuckin years. the minimum wage has been stagnant. yet corporations are raking in filthy money and you are happy about that because at least its not going to the government except it is literally going to the politicians that write the laws to write the laws in favor of corporations.

do you get that part?

4 grand a year is crumbs bro. that is what these ceo's make literally in a half hour. how do you not see the big picture

you are defending the ability to make billions of dollars as somebody who needs at least 3 years to make 1/10,000th of that despite working full time

u mite as well of dropped a mars rover cuz thats gonna fly over so many heads..

this is why we fight the corporations by sellin heroin to their suburban kids until their teenage daughters are strung out and prostitutin.. fuck up their whole lineage.

i completely see what you are saying, and i'm not missing anything. its just a difference of opinion. i take responsibility for my life, and don't put blame elsewhere. not saying you do. just stating my outlook. there is no point in me being mad at another man who won. 5 years ago i was bad off as it gets, without being on heroin. faced with homelessness, in ridiculous debt, an out of shape high school dropout with no prospects.

i was able to grab a part time gig sanding cars and cleaning a body shop for 10 an hour, now i'm the paintline manager/bodyman making 50k a year and next month our small business is finally offering healthcare through them instead of a stipend and getting a 401k program. i basically turned this shop from turning 700k a year in business, treading water, to 1.5

should i be mad the owner of the franchise went from paying himself 40, to now almost 200k? should i be mad the ceo of the company that sold him a franchise is clocking millions? when they both sit in offices playing solitarie all day? while im making sure work gets done and out the door, or should i be grateful for the opportunity i was given?

i like the idea of capitolism. i like it in practice as well. the owner of this franchise did things right, he stayed in school, got a degree in programming back when computers weren't shit, he made a bunch of money and got out to start his own business because he liked working on cars. he employs people now and we all make good money

if you remove the incentive to work hard, i would never work hard. but working hard got me living stupid cushy

punishing corporations helps no one. if maaco's bottom line is hurt it trickles down to the common workers at every franchise

i also don't believe in the minimum wage. people are victims if they let themselves be. i let myself be a victim for half of my adult life before i accepted responsibility and manned up. but im a goofy free market capitolist

we both have these idealistic views, neither of which have been proven to be perfect in practice, we just see the world different. you're for some overarching equality, im for earning that "equality". when your in the pit you feel like the world is against you, until you realize the only person truly against you, is you.

bootstraps and all that nonsense

There is no such thing as free market capitalism in America lol

America is the most protectionist nanny state in the world

It's not a free market when the corporations can fail in the market and then be funded by the government w taxpayers dollars to survive.

Boof is a bit of an extremist but you're too small minded

I don't think you're dumb in any way but you think on too small of a scale.....yea fine things are OK for u....but they could be better....for all of us.

wow i guys r smart

Im not saying it exists, its the system id like to see, like booth would like to see a socialist utopia.

Things could always be better, im not sure what your getting at there. Is it an actual possibility, or just an ideal tho. Know what im saying.

its too late for legitimate free market capitalism to be employed at this stage short of the economy collapsing

as far as things could be better and your riddle about idealism....yea idk lol. theyre not good now tho I suppose was mostly my point.

Things are good.

Also no new system could be implemented overnight without destroying the system we are under. I just advocate for moving towards the free market as opposed to moving towards complete government control

Its not a ridiculous concept. Just minimal government, let business flourish and keep the greedy politicians out of it.

Yadda yadda

bro where are you getting this idea that business hasn't been flourishing for the last 4 decades? corporations are richer than theyve ever been ever. they are handing politicians money left and right. and that is how they will always work. because of the tax cut, koch brothers saved 1.4 billion dollars, they gave paul ryan 500,000 dollars. they are just sucking each others dicks. 83% of the tax cuts go to the top 1%. why do you make believe government and corporations are so different? it's a revolving door

wages have been stagnant for 4 decades despite continued growth in productivity and profit margins how the fuck is that GOOD

how can we be so naive to our own exploitation, its gross. just because your life was trash and now its minimally better that does not mean you have it good. you have it good in the mindframe of a pawn. this is beyond disheartening

Small/mid sized business owners got a good little tax break. I can testify to that

First off FRAT


2nd, u obv don't know what ur talking about

uh-oh its strange to me that you label the politicians as greedy ones and not the businesses. like jeff bezos just made 2 billion in one day and his employees are on food stamps yet he will willingly hand millions of dollars to politicians, and thats not a problem of greed?

my only problem with these scenarios is the influencing of politicians monetarily. lobbying is horseshit. im basically anti government.

i have 0 problem with anyone making 2 billion in a day. jeff bezos made an amazing company that i make use of all the time. the government shouldn't punish him for living out the american dream. he BUILT the company from scratch, selling books online back in 1994 and now ships porkroll from new jersey to my door, and literally anything i ever want to buy. in 2 days.

i view the politicians as greedy scumbags because they don't do ANYTHING. they are leeches that live off of others. people who start businesses actually employ people, and have to run their business lol.

its not that difficult to comprehend. but you're probably in favor of the death tax and all that shit too. you would rather jeff bezos fortune go to the government than to his descendants. thats insane to me.

i just have a complete distrust in government. i hate our foreign policy and basically everything our government does. i don't look at tax breaks as a way we're getting screwed over because i don't want a government that is involved in our lives in the first place. giant tax breaks for corporations are fine by my because that is those corporations money in the first place. YOU aren't being robbed. the government just isn't robbing AS MUCH from them.

but word its just different outlooks. i want a hands off governance, you want a hands on one.

no bro. i would rather jeff bezos fortune go to his employees so they don't live off food stamps while simultaneously providing the labor that enables jeff bezos to make 2 billion in a day. you realize our tax money goes to paying for his employees food stamps because he's too greedy to pay them a living wage. he is using the government to pay his employees with our tax money so he doesn't have to. how can you put him in a less leechy catergory? i don't think you understand how profit margins become so outrageous. it is always at the hands of corporate subsidies and wage robbery. our discrepancy is not about hands off hands on governing, it's a discrepancy of what we believe workers are worth. and it is a sad thing to try to convince a lower class man about the worth of his peers.

agreed

i believe a worker is worth what he works for.

I'm sorry but if you're an employer making billions and your employees are on food stamps, you're a scum bag.

Walmart prime example.

Facts.

This is why union jobs suck. Because they pay equally and not based of work ethic. I've watched lazy mother fuckers make more money then those whom surround him and bust their ass...

And the reason he's the higher paid is based of his "Seniority" - which is fucked.

And employee is only worth what he's worked for. And that is true as fuck.

bro the amount a worker works for is 100% dependent upon their ability to bargain and hopefully you realize worker leverage has been systematically destroyed over the last century right? step out of your time, think of history. are slaves worth nothing? are sweat shop workers truly worth 50 cents a day? were coal miners in the early 1900's worth pennies? no. they're all being exploited. you're taking key factors out of the equation. it's great to think you're responsible for your own worth and all but it is super child-like to realistically think there aren't dozens of other factors at work.

it also completely disregards things like being well connected because of family ties, inheritance, and every perk of being born into a upper middle class and upper class life. you are basically chalking up worth to the dollar amount that you are paid but you could literally be paid that amount because somebody likes you, because somebody is your dad, because somebody has a political agenda, etc. you're basically admitting our value in this system has nothing to do with hard work, yet that is what you chalk up the acceptance of someone like jeff bezos making 2 billion in a day, while ignoring how much exploitation is involved in reaching that type of income. your logic is inconsistent af

how can you say its true as fuck and then give a literal example of it not being true and pretend it's the only example? lmao

unions are literally the KEY to bargaining as a worker and its decline is why we don't have leverage overall as the working class. you fucks are shooting yourselves in the foot with talk like this

i cannot believe we are pretending we haven't all had bosses that do fuck all and get paid way more than the bottom level laborers that do all of the work

you guys are idiots for real, pull your head out of your asses