good moralistic values are superficial. Nobody helps the old lady across the street because it's imbedded in your DNA to do so anymore, more so it's the brains chemical or electric response to guilt and shame if you don't.

Elab? Read a little bit on wikipedia, seems very interesting. Any specific books/online articles you recommend?

Also, on topic: going to read this thread and see if there's anything more to add. But my general stance as of now without reading anything is that the concept of morals is flawed and is hugely based on principles the majority stands behind that has little to no ground in reality and is solely based on survival and comfort, ego and tribe mentality. It can't boil down to intellect as some of the most intelligent people are serial killers and messed up narcissists with values that are fucked up and surpass most peoples understanding of right/wrong, certain rules are taught and followed but not understood etc. Seems like uhoh and destro is already covering it. Looking forward to read the thread in its entirety. Good thread.

does pharaoahs army not have an enter button on his keyboard?

his posts are probably beneficial to the thread but my eyes wont let me read those walls bruh

Is man by nature good or evil?

stop asking this stupid fucking question.
Man defines those parameters.

Well obv man is evil bc man has made so many rules?

Veritas is a doofus lmao

Not at all. My question is central to this philosophizing.

Man is evil

Which is why people are afraid to die and laws and regulations are out in place to protect us all from each other

I would agree with this at its core. Who else would?

Golden Rule

There is no such thing as evil

Man is not evil nor good. The concept of right/wrong is flawed, morals is flawed, ethos and all that shit is fucked. The only reason we're afraid to die is because if evolution didn't take care of that part we wouldn't give a shit and die as a species early on and we wouldn't have this conversation. It makes sense to make these rules for future survival as a whole and thus politics are formed but boils down to sheer neanderthal survival mechanisms.

We are still tribe people and hold on to those values. If you don't believe me ask yourself this: why do you value family/close friends above strangers? From a neutral standpoint a human being is no different from another human being. What we perceive as good and gives us joy is simply so you won't enter depression and kill yourself because the Übermensch does not exist yet, and this ''intelligent design'' is indeed just as flawed as the concept of good and bad.

Then why are there laws? If man isn't evil he shouldn't need laws?

social order is maintained because everyone is conditioned from birth to accept it

the herd instinct is strong, also

@Veritas the invincible: read the above. This is basically my point and Sovereign kinda nailed it. We only got laws because they were needed. ''Our lives are at stake/we're dying out because of x-reason and/or our lives may severely be at stake if we continue to do this and that''. In order to function as a group which was important way back when hunting with sticks and stones or fighting off nearby tribes was important is still hard wired in our brains. People are wired differently too mentally so in order to keep everyone in check with the massive explosion of cities our brains aren't developed enough for yet laws is simply the messed up result. Call it insanity if you wish. They're there for a reason ofc. and I believe we need them but that's not my point.

There's cultures where laws are non-existent because they depend on each other for survival, and help each other through thick and thin. ''Civilized society'' my ass, it's total chaos but we conform to those close to us and who they follow again on basic principles boiling down to means of survival.

At least I believe it to be so, feel free to prove me wrong. I am open for debate.