i don't think you have a full understanding of what socialism is or how it works. it's not so much that you would take more from the rich and give to the poor. socialism is a belief in a society where everyone contributes to the public well being according to their ability. the government provides the services that everyone depends on, which become assets that everyone has partial ownership in.

this is opposed to capitalism where survival of the fittest basically applies and whoever is the strongest will just take the biggest slice of the pie, regardless of the needs of and cost to other people. pure capitalism wouldnt include socialist concepts like "regulations" so there would be no one to make sure there isn't pink slime in your big mac no one around to tell bp to clean up after themselves when they geyser oil over the gulf.

in order to have a stable society in the long term, you need aspects of both of these systems. the capitalist parts regulate trade, provide incentives for innovation, and provides a mechanism for class mobility. the socialist parts ensure there is a safety net to hedge against random misfortune, provide the basic services deemed necessary for humane life and social order, and to provide for people who are less able to provide for themselves (sick, eldery, disabled, etc).

you should spend some time educating yourself about how the government and the economy work because most of the information youre reciting is strategically misinformed political propaganda. socialism is only evil because the conservatives tied it to communism during the cold war when russia was our enemies. that has nothing to do with actual reality where the majority of the services governments provide are socialist in nature.

the part where this fails is at the middleman though Wittenberg...
If we had a government that was takin 25 points & dishin 20 back out, okay...
But that ain't the case. Check the "2.3 trillion unaccounted for" on 9/10/2001.
not to take it toward old tower conspiracy at all... that's just one of many wild examples

Republican economics is based on free market/limited fed gov & I'm wit that
The influence of the 1% on politics thru the Citizens United ruling is big though
Now most the politicians on that side appease Koch brothers, etc. or don't win


it's not about Diode money hahaha no jab toward the big baller...
but I don't think he got nowhere near $100M+
Those the people who can use their position to NOT pay into the system fairly
...and like I said before, I don't think our taxes are distributed efficiently
But when u got a $B doin it while public school teachers only makin 35K, somethin ain't right

Bernie the mac is tryna take that shit down... so I fuck wit him

Uh-oh IS the majority of voters though, not us guys. So.......

I agree there are other steps that would have to be taken, an increase in taxes for the highest earners alone won't fix things, it is an important step in its own right tho and will need to be done at some point.

Also, I googled what you mentioned and I could only find it mentioned on reddit and some completely random websites (including a dating site lol) could you get me a link to a credible source?

Also, from what I can see Bernie Sanders is the only potential candidate worth a shit on either side.

what? which part? it worries me that u can't... I assume ur a competent Google'r haha
so that's real strange that ur not gettin it in top searches, whichever point it is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px1t1-a9uxk

That doesn't address it FULLY cuz it's in the context of September 11, but still a good one to watch
Or if you type in "adversary's closer to home. It's the Pentagon" + "Rumsfeld"
There's a www.defense.gov transcript of his speech... but only a ***hed version ???

http://peoplesworld.org/citizens-uni...-over-america/

You can find a whole lotta articles about that mess though I'm sure

see now junto is on point

i can only hope that my views are the majority tho, my main opposition and reasoning for attacking bernie is because of this new generation of millenial hippies who feel they are owed something.

i get on facebook and literally everything is hate for any republican, and love for bernie sanders. i've even seen people show love for hilary

it disgusts me. i'm not with it.

while free college, free healthcare and shit like that sounds delicious on paper, it means they will tax everyone more, and people with over 100 million a crazy amount more. if i have 100 million, i shouldn't be penalized for it. at worst i should have to pay a flat percentage that everyone has to pay and honestly that is overboard. when you take in the fact that 1/5 of my check goes to the government before i ever see it, its still only like 60 dollars. but meanwhile if my checks were what some ceo makes, i cant even fathom what 1/5 of their check is. they should be entitled to as much of their money as i am.

if bernie was talking about redistributing the government funds we already have to bring free healthcare and college in, beautiful

i'm just not a fan of more taxes. lets cut aid to israel. lets cut aid to pakistan. etc. all the billions to trillions we pay other countries. lets tax the shit out of foreign countries buying american goods. and selling them. if china wants to sell their cheap shit here, tax the fuck out of it. create incentive for shit to be made in america blah blah

the government has more than enough money already to put all these plans into place, but at the end of the day bernies running a multi million campaign funded by the people he plans to penalize.

and the youth eat the shit up. 15 dollars an hour minimum wage? yay bernie!

but hey reality check. the minimum wage means nothing. if everyone in my building starts making 15 an hour, do you think the landlord is gonna be cool still charging 450? you think mcdonalds is gonna continue selling dollar cheeseburgers?

small businesses will be forced to raise prices on their goods just to pay their employees

the minimum wage is only a problem in big cities where the cost of living is astronomical. i could support myself on minimum wage. could i support a family? hell no. should i start a family while working minimum wage? NO. in this society where women and men work, both of them making minimum wage gives them their 15 dollars an hour, where they can raise shitty kids just above the poverty line.

minimum wage shouldn't make you into the middle class. that should be a MEDIAN wage

but what do i know

and just keep in mind that i hate all politicians. i think every republican is as scummy as every democrat


i just choose to go with the lesser of two evils, in my mind. i miss ron paul.

i haven't looked into his kid. don't know if they're similair enough to warrant it. but i'm a state rights dude. minimal government etc

@Junto it was the 2.3 trillion unaccounted for.

I just googled that and the date quickly and didn't see much. I'll peep the vid tho.
@uh-oh i give up with you lol

witty your trying to say since i use public roads i owe my life to socialism

Any man who does not consider Jesus the Christ is anti christ. It is a spirit. It will literally be a man shortly.

Just as Jesus was the spirit of God manifest in the flesh so too shall the antichrist be the spirit of the devil manifest in a man.

i have absolutely NO CLUE who the fuck Bernie Sanders is....

lmao no i am not.

What I am trying to say is socialism is important and vital to every civilized society, and without it, your standard of living would be lower.

@Bags
hey Big lebowski.
How the fuck u gonna raise a daughter with that kinda attitude


dumb ass Pounds are for British . Not euros.
and im not british.

I think we have a 2 man Republican National Convention going on

Elements of socialism can be productive to society on the whole. Word.

But socialism in its true form is malarkey. Same could be argued for any form of government.

Im not a fan of extra socialist aspects being added to our society.

Literally the only president to have a direct impact on my life was obama the socialist hero of the millenials. That impact was negative

Pardon me if if i dont jump on the bandwagon of the next candidate being supported by those same people.

OBAMA IS NOT A SOCIALIST.

jesus lol

The closest he gets is a social democrat but he doesn't even really fit that title either

He created the stimulus program which saw CORPORATE America's income and profits levels go higher than ever.

Obamacare has a tiny element of socialism to it, but much less than previous republican plans. The NHS is socialist (and a Godsend), Obamacare is a regulated free market, it didn't give handouts to people who don't work as hard as others, as I'm sure is what you believe, subsidies only apply to those with incomes between 100% and 400% of the Federal Poverty Level, which means they are working, and paying taxes...contributing just as much as you.

America has always had a capitalist economy mixed with elements of socialism, Obama has done literally nothing to change that in any way, and if anything, what he has done leans towards the capitalist ideology. He has made LESS regulations than President Bush. Obama has never called for the end of private property rights. He has not made unions mandatory, they are VOLUNTARY. He really hasn't done much of anything socialist at all. All the socialist programs were there before him as far as I can tell. And you are not a fan of extra socialist aspects being added? How do you know? Which do you particularly oppose? What are the extra socialist aspect being suggested that you do not like?

you're confusing socialism and communism.

^^^ i mentioned that in the post that no one seems to have read.

there is nothing really socialist about obama. hes one of the most conservative democratic presidents if you judge by actual policies instead of Fox news talking points. he's a slightly left of center populist democrat.

propaganda is real. motherfuckers spewing out ideas that they didn't come up with and wouldn't agree with if they actually looked into the policies.

if you make less than 6 figures and you vote republican you are primarily voting against your interests every time you hit the polls. the magic of modern political marketing.

any and all of them that require any american to pay more taxes. for example bernies plan for "free college" it isn't free. taxpayers pay for it.

i'd be ok with that socialist nonsense if they took it out of the ridiculous amount of money all americans are already taxed. fuck MORE TAXES. they get enough.

OBAMACARE FORCES ALL AMERICANS TO PAY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE. you can call it a free market all you want, but its not a free market you dummy. the rich pay for the poor. i tried signing up for it to avoid the fees, my 180 dollar a month CHEAPEST I COULD FIND health coverage i signed up for, had me paying 10 dollars a month. who paid the other 170? god? of course not. everyones tax money did.

so while i was paying for this health coverage guess what. i have a health crisis, am admitted to the ER, my health coverage did enough to get them to admit me and fix the problem, but then i get billed the entirety of my checks because some "other forms" never got filled out because of obamas shit health care site. i was never mailed more forms or notified i didnt fill enough shit out. i filled everything out. so i never had health coverage.

so i had to PAY A FINE TO THE GOVERNMENT because i didnt CORRECTLY PURCHASE HEALTHCARE I WAS BEING FORCED BY THE GOVERNMENT TO PURCHASE. but they had no problem collecting the measley 10 bucks a month for my make believe health coverage.

now i have 16 thousand dollars of medical bills i'm paying off at 5 dollars a month, when income tax time comes i'll get nothing back, and HAVE TO PAY A BIGGER FINE because it will be my second year in a row without healthcare

thanks obama.

so go on about how its a free market and not a redistribution of wealth and other nonsense.

i form my political viewpoints by my actual life, if you think i watch any news you're incorrect. i don't even watch sportscenter. the news that floods me is the garbage that everyone floods there timelines with. cops killing black people. bernie sanders being god. hilary clinton being a cunt.

i don't follow any republican garbage, like i mentioned before its all nonsense. right now we got donald trump running republican right? he called rosie o donnel a fat pig and he hates mexicans.

thats what i know about pop culture politics.

BUT FROM REAL LIFE, i know that those people making over 100 grand a year include small business owners. you know, people that EMPLOY PEOPLE.

my boss can barely pay himself a salary. meanwhile if he wasn't taxed to a higher standard because on paper his business makes XXX and they clear XXX they could not only PAY ME MORE, they could hire more people, do more business and make more money.

but lets raise the minimum wage to 15 an hour. you guys are blinded by the propaganda from the other side. following good old bernies plan makes my boss go out of business. which puts his 9 employees out of a job.