I don't understand how you're not being accepted. I've got a 2.43 GPA because I quit going to school my first semester without withdrawing (like an idiot), and I got accepted to a university with no problems.

But yeah, Dog gave pretty great advice. Hopefully you'll get it figured out, man.

@Vulgar I'm not tryna tell you don't chase the dream or whatever my man

but once you got that english degree from the University... what will you do then?

what's the job you wanna be able to get from that

- Junto Goonstein, NCU Career Counseling Services

He pretty clearly wants the kind of job an English major can get? Lol

Right.....
which is?

English teacher?

nah thats a separate certification on top of the degree which requires certain classes from a collegiate program approved by the state


n my dad has an english degree. did not use it ever tbh. A lot of the goal of the programs is learning and networking so don't slouch if the degree alone isn't an instant job

but best of luck Vulg. You got a flair for writing, take it and go with it

Right, what can you gain as an english major (as 1st language) that you couldn't by just readin & writin?
every program incorporates learning & networking haha that's the hope anyway
The point is don't go to school for your 'arts' craft alone unless you enjoy the idea of being a starving artist - engineering, computer science, quantitative analysis, information systems... these are degrees you'll profit from

Everyone try sayin "study what you love!!" No. Unless your family's rich.
Study what will get u a good enough job that u actually have time in ur life to do that still
When you're breaking ur fuckin back for $60K at 30 somethin you'll think of this

& I'm not tellin you how I think it SHOULD be. Just the way it is.

I ain't gon lie first time I read that I was like hummanah hummanah hummanah hummanah?

I didn't process ahit u said nigga

I get it now

@Junto you're incorrect. with a degree in creative writing, I was working in politics alongside business/econ/polysci majors, some of whom with JD's as well, for the same amount of money. one of my peers is now a broker for JP Morgan in NYC, same degree. We are not some crazy exceptions.

very few careers care THAT MUCH about your undergrad degree. Plus, as any business major should know, the "money making" degrees are crazy over saturated, and mean much much less than people like to think.

You are more than your degree area, and employers know that.

edit: also, LOTS of english degree holders wind up doing well in law school, for obvious reasons. legal work will always be among the most in-demand and financially lucrative.

No. Employers don't know that.
They see your school, your major, your GPA, your activities & experience...
...maybe if you're lucky they'll skim the cover letter you sent

Numbers don't lie. Choose any site like this, it's the same (Ctrl/cmd+F = "creative writing")
http://www.payscale.com/college-sala...back/bachelors

If we're talkin bout degrees AFTER bachelors, okay, but that's why I asked...

school: yes. GPA: depends (I've yet to apply to a job that asked me my college GPA). activities/experience: yes. Major? Not relevant unless you're shooting for a very specific type of job (IE an engineer).

end of the day, making "lots of" money is not the same as "making enough" money. I've downgraded my pay and upgraded my life in the past (ironically, going from finance to teaching). point is, you'll be fine with whatever degree you want, depending on your goals. I don't get the vibe that Vulgar is shooting for Forbes.

@quaker oats - good for you my man, I have a lot of respect for teachers. Just not their paychecks.
so your first job out of college..... they weren't curious how you performed academically?
That's hard to believe. Unless you worked for your family or something...

& when you were applying, how did YOU go about doin it?
You just walk in and tell them you're gonna be working there soon in some department?
Usually there's a careers section of their website, with "very specific jobs"

I'm speaking objectively & realistically. You're speaking anecdotally & idealistically.

first job out of college: Wells Fargo FA. Was not asked about my gpa in the interview or on application. we talked about my goals, what I wanted specifically, why I wanted to be there, what my existing knowledge was, what I wanted to learn etc.
Next: worked for state representative. Again, was never asked about my GPA.
After: several teaching jobs, and again never asked.

how I applied was this: I looked for jobs, did background research, tweaked my resume accordingly, sent off application. when I say "very specific," I mean jobs that require technical skills. Obviously I can't be a computer programmer because I lack that skill.

you're not speaking about anything realistically. like most headline cheerleaders, you read some report about "most financially lucrative degrees" and think that's it. It's not. There are talented people and scrubs across the spectrum of degrees. Very few people get jobs in their degree area, but having a college degree opens up a LOT more employment opportunities.

the only legitimate point is looking for high-needs areas, since job markets are always changing. but again, that has nothing to do with your degree more often than not. what matters most is that you have one.

Popcorn

to make a point, this study shows only 27% of college grads find work in a related field. It's flawed methodologically (IE didn't count literature majors who went on to teach as working in related fields), but still underscores that main point: degree area doesn't matter (for a bachelors).

http://www.newyorkfed.org/research/s...orts/sr587.pdf

You also went to a reputable school as I remember... & you been out for quite some time
Your experience 5-10 years ago is not the same experience you'd find today

I'm not a headline cheerleader man, that's buffoonery. The reports are based on 'statistics', not feelings.
So the theoretical and practical 'average person' who studies ECE makes $25K more out the gate than the same 'average person' amongst creative writing scholars

the problem with that analysis is this: what are the type of people who want to study creative writing, compared to the type who go into, say, engineering? It isn't the degree that is making more money, it is the person behind the degree. correlation and causation. take lazy John Doe who studies philosophy because he's a stoner, give him a degree in anything else, he doesn't magically form into a high-quality job candidate. it's just that the people who seek to make lots of money (and have that as a goal entering college) don't go into those fields. still emphasizes the same point: the person matters more than the degree.

I'll save my rant on stats for another time, but know there are abundant statistical fallacies. Or, as Mark Twain said: "There are lies, damned lies, and then statistics."

if you want to just make money, though, the real guarantee is to become an electrician and go work up in northern Canada. you end up making 6 figures and spending almost none of it.

There's SOME validity to what you said to better understand the statistics...
I'm not gonna reply to that whole thought experiment though. But yes, he would.
John woulda acquired more desirable skills. Ones that require & build upon our higher reasoning capacities

@Vulgar WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WHEN YOU GET YOUR ENGLISH DEGREE!!!???

Do yourself a favor & dabble in programming languages on the side www.codecademy.com
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