So ure making urself the more intelligent because u write opinionated paragraphs which are ridiculous

U stupid as fuck my nigga

My favorite nerd rapper is Pharoahe Monch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySmdcta_uSg

He's not a nerd rapper... He's been around since organized konfusion just got stuck in time

But he's rapping about science. That seems pretty nerdy.

Haven't listened to his new shit... But I'm sorry to hear?

I like heavy metal.

That was from his (well, Organized Konfusion's) first album.

How about this: There may be nerd rap, and there may be backpacker rap, and those may be genres within rap, and rap is fundamentally part of hip hop, but in the end, if you can rap well, you can rap well, and we have different tastes that defines what that is, and this shit is stupid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7Fy5w2klbg

Those times are over with, notice I said stuck in time

But yea besides this thread was a reaction to the jay z bashing one... If u don't wanna read my opinion don't bash mine

Holler

I agree with nik and dull boy just cuz u can't structure a rhyme don't mean you are the authority on hip hop

Nik is discredited and exposed as an idiot. Think we can close the thread now.


Holler.

backpackers are mad at dudes like jay z because they can't make a project that would appeal to the masses like jay can

they are forever destined to have a small minority of fans

its like if one dude was a painter, who painted everything super realistic and technical. and then another guy is a painter, who doesnt go as indepth in the realism of it, but makes a more visually appealing painting.

the guy with the more visually appealing painting is gonna sell more paintings. the dude who put all his time and energy into painting a picture of a building that looks like a photo gets butthurt. he looks at this other simple painting thats outselling him, and he's like wtf, anyone can do that.

but anyone can't. because if he tried to do that he would fail.

the same way jay z would fail if he tried to put out a talib kweli album

I think what happened was DeadLion and Death said unintelligent shit, and you overreacted in response. My three favorite rappers are (and I almost hate saying this because it's so fucking cliché) Jay-Z, Notorious B.I.G. and Nas. But that doesn't mean I can't listen to Vakill use five-syllable words in battle rap or Aesop Rock break down the dying blue-collar labor industry.

Lemme guess ur paragraphs did that? If anything I made u look like a peon to me

Ure a nobody

And that's cool

I think nik is talking bout the faggots who get Whiney over the fact jay sells 10 million and mc fucksto n the fish bowl five only sells 3 albums cuz they write about window seal lightning bugs

U got it

I GOT U DAWG lol

Lol we know what's up, schooling young ns I srs bidness

The high esteem you hold your net rep in is adorable.

the fact you try hard as you do to sound smart is admirable aswell...or the fact you try to sound different.....give it a rest go back to om and write a paragraph about how this makes you feel

Isn't it? How's ur antibullism campaign going

Hail faggot

uh oh makes a really good point. i think the painter's analogy actually holds water in this context.

art is art, business is business

thread is stupid

Doesnt this point to the audience more than anythimg?


So basically the more easy to apeal painting gets attention...the ome done
With les effort and commitment gets praised...while the person who worked
Hard spent time detailimg every line and every color gets pushed to the side.

So effectively. ..the hard worker worked hard just so some one
Who half assed it can take the glory.

Shit sounds fucked man lol

It ain't like that.

http://imageshack.us/scaled/landing/842/wem.gif

It's not easy to make something with mass appeal. But it's also not easy to make something that intellectually matters. These are difficult things. Becoming a career rapper is not easy (unless you have friends in high places who carry your ass; right, Cappadonna?).

So when Wiz Khalifa drops his next banger and you think to yourself, "I could write something way better than that," you're looking at it wrong. You (assumingly) don't have the charisma to pull off what Wiz Khalifa is doing. You don't have the swagger or the understanding of what's going to work.

It's the same shit across all genres. Max Martin, the guy who wrote a lot of the biggest boy band songs of the late 1990s (Backstreet Boys, *NSYNC, Britney Spears, etc.), is a fucking genius for his dynamic understanding of the mainstream market. But his songs on paper read like they were written in crayon by a 12-year-old girl. That's kind of the point. No one did it better than him at the time, in that genre.

Now, in order to make music that permeates pop culture in such a way that it has real staying power, you have to find a balance. Jay Z did that better than anyone ever. That's why he gets that title as the best ever, because he reached almost everyone who would ever listen to rap (and some people who wouldn't) and made music that can stand on its skill ("Meet the Parents," "D'Evils," "Public Service Announcement," etc.) and music that just bangs for the common folk ("Empire State of Mind," "Big Pimpin'," "99 Problems," etc.). And on top of that, unlike Notorious B.I.G. or 2Pac (though it's easy to say they would have, there's no real proof), he did it for years. That is not an easy thing to do.

making the more visually appealing painting is just as difficult as making the detailed realistic painting. its just different skillsets at play.

on websites like these, and with hip hop fans in general, who try to participate in the hip hop culture, they want to be real in depth

the same way if i wanted to be a painter, when i pick up a paint brush i'm gonna try and paint something that looks real. so when i inevitably fail, im gonna look at those painters who can paint realistically, and admire them for being able to do something that i can't.

but those same painters would never be able to dumb down there paintings in a way that the masses would like it like the other guy can.

because the same effort he put into making those paintings, the other guy put into making his paintings seem effortless

i think im too deep in metaphor land so let me simplify it.

it is just as difficult to make a jay z record as it is to make an underground acclaimed hip hop record. none of them could everrrrr make a blueprint. and jay z could never make an underground classic.

they both take ridiculous skill, and in my opinion it takes more skill to make a commercially successful project, than it does to make an underground classic

the people i like blend both worlds. to me its just as corny to like gucci mane as it is to like aesop rock.

word

this is what i was trying to say with my last post

im just stoned and a self proclaimed idiot. so there is that.

When it comes to mass appeal, Eminem > Jay

Does this make Em G.O.A.T?

when it comes to mass appeal

jay>eminem

eminem hasnt been universally liked since the marshall mathers lp. you aint gonna see a grimey black dude bumping new eminem. but you will hear him bumping magna carta. and the same white dudes who bump eminem would bump magna carta

Eminem does kill Jay Z in album sales, but I think that has more to do with a massive group of very loyal fans than universal appeal. And as uh-oh points out, his artistic value has fallen off the face of the Earth in the past decade. Granted, I thought The Blueprint 3 and Magna Carta Holy Grail were underwhelming, but they still hold up better than Relapse or Recovery.

Maybe in America but Eminem is the biggest selling artist of the last decade.

Trust me, worldwide Eminem is a lot bigger than Jay, even these days.

I know dudes that have no interest in any sort of hip hop culture who bump eminem, heavy metal dude, punks etc. I dont know anybody who bumps Jay-Z who is not into hip hop.

If skills sold truth be told...
i probably be lyrically Talib Kweli..
Truthfully, i wanna rhyme like Common Sense
But i did 5mill and i ain't been rhyming like Common Since




Jigga knows who he is.

word to @Certain Serpent and @uh-oh

good shit...wasn't trying to argue more so trying to understand where both of you where coming from a little better...I understand what yall saying I just thought that's what you guys meant...

Preach my nigga

mc fucksto and the fishbowl 5 are underrated imo @God Of War


other than that, this is a stupid thread. on one end of the spectrum, you have dumbass hipster snobbery ("Jay Z used to be good, then he sold out and now he sucks because he's famous"), on the other end you have ignorant, sheep-mentality idiocy ("OMG Bubble Butt is da best rap song EVER!!!! That's why it's on the radio!").

This is a big world, with lots of different people in it, plenty of room for all of the above to exist. Some days I like Panacea, some days I like Ludacris. That means I get to enjoy two different things. Anyone who only allows themselves to like one end of the spectrum is childish to me.

Three pages of stupidity u chimed in guess u included homeboy

nik, u old af. just put the viagra down & retire

@Death u wack as fuck no one listens to u

oh u mad cause im stylin on u old man?

u trash & overrated

Lyrical skill comes through whether you're commercially successful or independent. Jay Z is dope, and his amount of sales have nothing to do with it.

The argument stemmed from Nik's low opinion of what he calls nerd rap, and his ignorant way of stating his view of it.

Nik is like those old, white racist dudes who are like "I hate all you niggers.. go back to your corn fields... gay people deserve to die.... you damn mexicans keep stealing our jobs..." but in a rap version. like u can't listen to no rapper that ain't Nik approved