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Boredom 07-25-2013 11:52 PM

they are accurate unless i can get an ext til tomorrow. been way to nice to spend time inside writing, and i'm just about to head out drinking. if u don't want to give the ext i understand.. and i will def feed your verse @Nigma .

Nigma 07-26-2013 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boredom (Post 104192)
they are accurate unless i can get an ext til tomorrow. been way to nice to spend time inside writing, and i'm just about to head out drinking. if u don't want to give the ext i understand.. and i will def feed your verse @Nigma .

@Mike Wrecka @zygote is this acceptable? My only concern would be a potential lackage in votes but I'm fine with it if the powers that be are

Rawn M.D. 07-26-2013 12:23 AM

im not a mod but 36 hr ext are not unheard of...should b possible if competitor approves, but its ultimately up to the mods.

Inno 07-26-2013 12:57 AM

godam you fig

Coup 07-26-2013 12:59 AM

imma gunna vote tomorrow...good verses to read

Rawn M.D. 07-26-2013 01:06 AM

Lol no I'm not fat @Adonis haha

Adonis 07-26-2013 01:10 AM

Lies

Your verse reminded me of Dayday mimicking that fat girl about the hostess cakes (RIP) on Friday after the next

Rawn M.D. 07-26-2013 01:13 AM

Haha nah I usta cook n have had numerous jobs in the hospitality industry

zygote 07-26-2013 01:35 AM

I have some idea for changes to writing deadlines to make it more streamlined (just going to run it by the others). At the moment though, if you wish to accept EXTS then O.K. 100%. Remember, all contest pages will be closed Sunday afternoon (my time zone), which translates into Saturday 10-11pm Pacific Standard Time, so consider that closing date/time if you are requesting EXTS. Going to vote on 3 pages now, as won't require competitors to do something without doing it myself.

Certain 07-26-2013 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zygote (Post 104235)
I have some idea for changes to writing deadlines to make it more streamlined (just going to run it by the others). At the moment though, if you wish to accept EXTS then O.K. 100%. Remember, all contest pages will be closed Sunday afternoon (my time zone), which translates into Saturday 10-11pm Pacific Standard Time, so consider that closing date/time if you are requesting EXTS. Going to vote on 3 pages now, as won't require competitors to do something without doing it myself.

An idea I will suggest: If your opponent no-shows, you get one point for showing up and one point for voting on three battles.

Certain 07-26-2013 02:32 AM

@Adonis, here's the feedback promised for your verse:

The first 20 lines were individually strong characterization, but at a certain point I felt that you were repeating yourself, from a content perspective. I grasped the character pretty quickly, and while there was some nice wit shown, the content didn't move forward. That wouldn't have been as much of a problem had the ending, the turn, not sort of come out of nowhere. I don't think the dark turnaround really felt earned because it hadn't been properly introduced. So content-wise, the verse fell short for me.

But there was a lot of nice lyricism. A few of the conceptual and metaphorical descriptions worked well. And I did develop a very full sense of who this man is, more than simply a cliche. More concrete details might have helped, but the first person excused that to some degree as people often write about themselves without facing concrete details.

You used the challenge letters well, though I wasn't crazy about finishing the verse the way you did and leaping outside the concept and context of everything else you had written for that single last line. Besides, there are plenty of "W" words.

Your verse was good but showed the signs of someone who certainly can do better.

zygote 07-26-2013 02:32 AM

Yes good idea. You already get 1 point for winning via no-show, but there can be no extra points for voting, 3 is just the required amount. Short votes are fine as well.
Well I was going to post it in the Moderator discussion area but cannot find where that is. So I will post it here instead. Here is the idea for Time Deadlines. Comment if you have some views.

" Everything will be closed each week Sunday afternoon 3pm-4pm East coast Australia time which is Saturday 10-11 pm Pacific Standard Time. It takes about an hour then a new magazine will be uploaded with the new week’s tasks and match-ups. Up until the time of closing you are allowed to upload and vote. However, be considerate to your opponent and don’t upload something right before, when everything is being closed. If you think you’re going to no show that’s fine just say so, if you can’t write until whatever day, that’s fine as well, just say so in your contest page. Extensions etc are meaningless in this format – Saturday 10-11pm Pacific Standard Time is when the Tasks are uploaded, and when all the weeks pages are closed. Your time frame for finishing writing and voting is therefore between Saturday 10-11pm PST and the next Saturday 10-11pm PST. "

Basically there will be no split between writing/voting periods (Like verses due Wednesday, voting due Saturday). This is placing some trust into competitors who have signed in to write whenever they can, with each competitor knowing there is that hard deadline of Sat 11pm PST and to upload accordingly. Note, this is only an idea, not a rule change or anything.

Mike Wrecka 07-26-2013 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zygote (Post 104246)
Yes good idea. You already get 1 point for winning via no-show, but there can be no extra points for voting, 3 is just the required amount. Short votes are fine as well.
Well I was going to post it in the Moderator discussion area but cannot find where that is. So I will post it here instead. Here is the idea for Time Deadlines. Comment if you have some views.

" Everything will be closed each week Sunday afternoon 3pm-4pm East coast Australia time which is Saturday 10-11 pm Pacific Standard Time. It takes about an hour then a new magazine will be uploaded with the new week’s tasks and match-ups. Up until the time of closing you are allowed to upload and vote. However, be considerate to your opponent and don’t upload something right before, when everything is being closed. If you think you’re going to no show that’s fine just say so, if you can’t write until whatever day, that’s fine as well, just say so in your contest page. Extensions etc are meaningless in this format – Saturday 10-11pm Pacific Standard Time is when the Tasks are uploaded, and when all the weeks pages are closed. Your time frame for finishing writing and voting is therefore between Saturday 10-11pm PST and the next Saturday 10-11pm PST. "

Basically there will be no split between writing/voting periods (Like verses due Wednesday, voting due Saturday). This is placing some trust into competitors who have signed in to write whenever they can, with each competitor knowing there is that hard deadline of Sat 11pm PST and to upload accordingly. Note, this is only an idea, not a rule change or anything.

personally i dont think a league can run like this. people post right before a deadline. its human nature. voting will be non existant and without feed back people will stop writing. the league will wither and die. thats my opinion.

and some battles have already been closed so we should stick with the deadlines set forth at least for this week to be fair to all

Certain 07-26-2013 01:03 PM

I agree with Mike Wrecka. All the proof you need about that idea not really working is available this week. Almost everyone procrastinated even with a deadline. Gazette and I posted our verses Tuesday and didn't get a vote for more than 48 hours.

The natural inclination for people is to come up with excuses not to write, either internally or externally. Then it's for people to come up with excuses not to vote. You have to provide deadlines, multiple deadlines, or shit won't get done.

Moreover, if you know your opponent is better than you, what would stop you from dropping a verse three minutes before the deadline to get a tie?

Plot 07-26-2013 02:02 PM

I hope Deadman shows, either way can I get some sort of feed on my
short drop, haven't written in a while and it was a pretty quick key obv.

Rawn M.D. 07-26-2013 02:04 PM

Imma drop the remainder of my votes in a bit

Fig 07-26-2013 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Innovator (Post 104221)
godam you fig

Whats good bro, I came through lol

NYCSPITZ 07-26-2013 03:05 PM

sup Mr.J can I get an ext I'll write something in a couple hrs? If not it's cool I'm still happy b/c I just scored a potential 100k+/yr job!! yay!!

Adonis 07-26-2013 03:15 PM

So @NYCSPITZ has officially made this a $100 cash prize for the final playoff champ.


You're too kind sir...

@zygote bad idea

NYCSPITZ 07-26-2013 04:10 PM

lmao!! Maybe.

Inno 07-26-2013 06:32 PM

Voting tonight suckas

Rawn M.D. 07-26-2013 06:59 PM

@Adonis n ne one else with a no show verse

if u post it up in the om n provide a link here (mention/tag would help too) I'll throw some feed at it Cuz ur threads in here r closed

Adonis 07-26-2013 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rawn M.D. (Post 104563)
@Adonis n ne one else with a no show verse

if u post it up in the om n provide a link here (mention/tag would help too) I'll throw some feed at it Cuz ur threads in here r closed

Just drop me a few lines of feed here.

Making a new thread is too much work bruhv

Rawn M.D. 07-26-2013 07:33 PM

Haha u on mobile ain't ya

but ya I got u I'm just waiting for my comp to charge up

Rawn M.D. 07-26-2013 08:45 PM

@Adonis

alright first off dope verse, i was feeling how u juxtoposed sht, and also ur word choice was nice af. Flow was smooth n effortless and content maintained the same direction throughout. Easy clean read. now the only negatives i picked up on (to me) were, alot of time when u went to use the challenge u didn't do it consecutively, but with a conjunction or another word breaking them up, but u did do it correct a few times. Only other small thing was u go from 3rd person, to second person, to first person, then back to 3rd person. Now u do it in a way where its acceptable bc of its spacing and how it reads, but it would probably read a bit cleaner if u just kept the same tense imo.

Solid verse though, i did enjoy it.

Adonis 07-26-2013 10:03 PM

Oh shit, you called me on my old habits. Yes, on phone so for the time being I will have remedial errors like you said. I'm a highschool drop out/ extremely late grad. And as for the not using consecutives. I did have a problem finding W words consecutive and not being forced. Serpent mentioned there are plenty of W words, and there are. But using them consecutively with a R word wasn't happening, and I refuse to force shit. I would rather not use any, and be able to rap on beat then use the excercise. But this will cause problems later.

Thanks to serpent and Ronald McD's tho you. You both truth

Rawn M.D. 07-26-2013 10:07 PM

word - just tryna be helpful. N I share the same viewpoint with forced vs not at all... but sometimes its more just reworking other sht in the line, not all the time tho...either way good sht.

Nigma 07-27-2013 12:08 AM

I placed my no show verse in the OM if anyone would like to drop some feed on it. I'll try and get some more votes out tomorrow, plenty of delicious writing on display. Great opening week gentlemen, the beginning of a promising league.

Rawn M.D. 07-27-2013 12:11 AM

I got u later tonight or tomorrow @Nigma

Nigma 07-27-2013 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rawn M.D. (Post 104716)
I got u later tonight or tomorrow @Nigma

You are a gentlemen and a scholar.

Sharp 07-27-2013 01:34 AM

i know nothing about topicals but god damn certain serpent dropped fire

Rawn M.D. 07-27-2013 02:43 AM

Done @Nigma

Certain 07-27-2013 02:44 AM

@Mike Wrecka, I noticed you're asking sign-ins for two votes, which is smart, but I think it might make sense to let them go this week since that requirement wasn't in the first post of the sign in thread.

Rawn M.D. 07-27-2013 02:58 AM

@Certain Serpent just curious what site r u from and alias?

Split 07-27-2013 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zygote (Post 104246)
Yes good idea. You already get 1 point for winning via no-show, but there can be no extra points for voting, 3 is just the required amount. Short votes are fine as well.
Well I was going to post it in the Moderator discussion area but cannot find where that is. So I will post it here instead. Here is the idea for Time Deadlines. Comment if you have some views.

" Everything will be closed each week Sunday afternoon 3pm-4pm East coast Australia time which is Saturday 10-11 pm Pacific Standard Time. It takes about an hour then a new magazine will be uploaded with the new week’s tasks and match-ups. Up until the time of closing you are allowed to upload and vote. However, be considerate to your opponent and don’t upload something right before, when everything is being closed. If you think you’re going to no show that’s fine just say so, if you can’t write until whatever day, that’s fine as well, just say so in your contest page. Extensions etc are meaningless in this format – Saturday 10-11pm Pacific Standard Time is when the Tasks are uploaded, and when all the weeks pages are closed. Your time frame for finishing writing and voting is therefore between Saturday 10-11pm PST and the next Saturday 10-11pm PST. "

Basically there will be no split between writing/voting periods (Like verses due Wednesday, voting due Saturday). This is placing some trust into competitors who have signed in to write whenever they can, with each competitor knowing there is that hard deadline of Sat 11pm PST and to upload accordingly. Note, this is only an idea, not a rule change or anything.

I think this can work. Also @zygote @Mike Wrecka Meth just enabled your accounts to see Admin/ Mod Lounge where the mod discussion thread is, too

So it's 6 days if having a topic up, and no line to distinguish between voting and writing?

I feel like a lot of times people will postpone writing or submitting until their opponent is ready, resulting in a sort of stalemate. We can try anything you guys want, I've never experimented with this sort of format.

It is worth a shot. As long as no- show wins count the same as regular wins, this shouldn't be too much of a problem. We should also encourage people to agree to set a drop time with their opponent and stick to it.

Coup 07-27-2013 10:20 AM

@Split Eight

homie can you open the NS threads so we can leave some feed to our brothers and sisters who posted ?

Split 07-27-2013 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coup (Post 104858)
@Split Eight

homie can you open the NS threads so we can leave some feed to our brothers and sisters who posted ?

Just leave it here and tag people. The battles that are open need to be at the top of the forum, seeing as all battles close tonight regardless of votes

Coup 07-27-2013 11:22 AM

ok, gunna feed everyone cos I love everyone with a jolly heart

Coup 07-27-2013 12:45 PM

@Adonis cos I enjoy reading you from time to time when you do write here, I want to offer my thoughts on your piece. It may seem ridiculous seeing this week was an exercise, but voting helps me too.

first, I enjoyed our write night battle...been meaning to ask you, do you read scriptures?

Quote:

Flacid dick but still your girl would insert into her mammory banks.
dead.

thought your first 12 lines were great establishing lines to then shoot of into more development so to speak. You opened immediately into his political ties and leanings, now I understand this was to paint him an average Joe so to speak, but going that way to identify his world views, you really need to adhere to that and give the development to pay respects to it...you didn't. therefore it felt lazy and added just because.

picking up on the 13th line and on you switch tense and use I for one line then abadoned it, it seemed fishy. I liked that, great way to continue if you obeyed the tense change. Also at the 13th line it would have been a good point to hit enter and start a new paragraph to stress the change, just me w/e. (to show examples and put this cat to the test)

you continue to describe this person and how he lives and in his circumstances of negativity...which is counter culture, I get that, you set it up well in the first 12 lines...felt you should have stepped away, thought of a way to take this verse to allow this person to go through things that are a direct result of the attributes you gave him...otherwise you just kept on establishing his counter culture ways...which gave a picture of whom he may be but you did not test him in a way that we could see how he acted in the world he lives under the vibes you created for him...we need to use what you described him and as readers see how he goes about so we can conculde outside of what you say..this is a written divice.

the last two lines were broken into a new paragraph. to ask a rethorical question, why ? you knew it's to start a new theme and develop. All in all you should have gave situational examples of this cat, as it stood it was incomplete

I realize this was just an exercise so whatever....

just a thought...good verse

@Nigma

If I had to predict someone to write a tounge twister with there letter assiagment this week, I would have chosen you. YOu did not disappoint:

Quote:

Crowds lay cowarding lowly in a
Cavern thats loaded, cold and captured cronies, lasting lonely
Clouds of locust crashing loudly
Cannot lie, this camp is lousy
See, the captures cast our county
Laughing loudly like a lycans lung
is cowarding a word ? lol I'm just being a douche here. really is it ?

Quote:

I'll bust you bitches leave you cunts equipped with Hush's lisp
dead.

Most of this took place in a cave. If you say no, well yes I disagree lol. I read this slow and loved the opening. the wording was fun and fluid with a attention to word placements coupled with your assignment, made this witty and sensical. Toward the middle half and working to the close I felt you went S&F mode and preiceved you compelled to stray from your opening ideas...hush's lisp lol It was toward this point I did not care, because from a language preservative this was beautiful and offered some colors and sounds.

make no mistake, I'll have to surly keep my eye on your next weeks verse...may sign back in for this

good show
@oats- I see you.
@Mr. J

mentioning Keith Sweat in the opening was a risk, because some don't know what/who that is...I didn't so I rolled with it anyways, already at a disadvantage. I know right. Cearful with openings...they must be very clear...

Quote:

I'm a have to tune bodies, while y'all writing in your toon bodies
it's never too soon to burn em' all like we in the Illuminati
we been backwards...and every variation got me Benjamin Button
every variation got me buxom, and eventually buggin'...
word man. Just word. fresh

Quote:

nobody has the time for that...nobody has the time for that
like the repeat phrase, gives this importance and revails your voice within this pretty well. respect. a simple effect used and placed at the right time.

Quote:

sorry but all you had to do is rewind it back and see where I b..n
considering your assignment this was clever. all in all not sure what your verse was...lacked elements of pacing ideas along, instead this felt random and well just a nice flex of attitude. not a diss. I read this easily and it flowed hard. incorporate a reason into the verse and an identifiable situation or context then we are butter, otherwise this felt all willy nilly...props Mr. J.

Quote:

it echoes like Keith Sweat, Nobody can compete..yet..
you carry on as if no boundaries have seen breath...
seen birth into a new born established idea..achieved depth
further investigations would only leave disbelief...dead
but reliefs sent...as if the News broadcasted the need...
what is this about ? (don't tell me)

@Mike Wrecka

in contrast to nigma and Mr. J your short fluid verse had a purpose and a reason, which oyu started and ended with not only lingering thoughts but some conditions relative to your world view thrown in...I liked this for a few reasons: it was short, not going on past what you wanted to say, and your letter assignments were smooth and natural to what you say. and mostly, you were unbiased and not casting judgment on the context and concepts your wrote in...props for doing that. Casting judgment in verses of this type are what cripples it.

some lines I liked
Quote:

see section eight becomes section hate as things get medieval,
poverty is the new secret home of the dark ages upheaval/
so true...the "NWO" coming that most talk about is really the dark ages...I connected with this and your next line

Quote:

sometimes those under these conditions seek a harrowing escape,
so they inject themselves with drugs and imagine a better place/
Quote:

or a better time as several hours go by,
some how they feel better and don't really know why/
seeking the answer to all the secrets held, below skies,
silence holds the truth so shhhhhhhhhhhhhh, speak no lies/
never sacrifice honesty, one look in the mirror its clear,
that selfishness hindered your judgment to get your here/

^this was a good tie in and conculsion of sorts to the opening lines that established drug use and the defacto it has on people...dope last line...props to you...

to add some critique or suggestions would to bleed some cause into this to explain the effect it has...otherwise it's ambiguous and we use our understanding to explain away the conditions you set...though not bad, but if you would have done this there is chance to leave a lasting impression of new insight that the reader may have not have him/her self...

good drop dude for real..tight compact and coherent.

@Plot

was surprised at why I enjoyed your verse...it was unique to me in thta you explored what may be on the mind of some competitor in some league that may not be what it seems on the surface, riddled underneath with arbitrary and bullshit that you need to rise up over...I never seen this before in a verse and give real props to ya for exploring it out....

these lines were dope

Quote:

The monkey wrench in the works, the thorn in ya side,
That makes ya formula flawed and forms a storm in ya mind.
My wisdoms enigma’s, only the incorrigible seeks it,
I’m 2 steps behind you, so it’s impossible to predict.
The sediment of life, find all your sentiments despised,
I’m here with the spoilers revealing the elements of surprise.
monky wrench in the works...ha, at first I thought is said words....hmm, that would be dope too.

in fact, this verse is a silent bomb man...lots of raw stuff in here

Quote:

And earn an accomplishment for a fail of epic proportions.
Turn a mountain of effort into something microscopic,
Enter a topical, just so you can completely slight the topic.
Well I guess that’s Just Me, I’m an agent of chaos,
And I cant even fucking get that right to profit the pay-offs
all in all a very raw verse bro...impressed I am. Respect to you sir.

Mike Wrecka 07-27-2013 12:54 PM

props @Coup

that was awesome


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