3000

Yes

No solo album, still better than the rest of em

Lol i like 3k but cmon he fell off and yall knows it

3000 fell off, but em's dope making albums about farting and ring around the little boy asshole?

Right.

so fresh and so clean, clean

No. He just doesn't rap often, but when he does, it's just as good as it ever was.

Da best

Yes he has a couple gimmick tracks on albums, albums which still have some good lyrical content..but 3k fell off long ago.

There's always some understanding to be had with this type of conversation. Are we taking album sales and current relevancy into consideration? Because I look purely at content.

3 stacks, the best.

u prolly can't relate to what hov is saying... like i said em had betta flow but lyrically he smashed Em.....
and Hov said it best

Do you fools listen to music or do you just skim through it?

You probably can't relate to what Em is saying then. I think both of them were nasty on that track, but Em just sounded better.

Dougie fresh

Jay had a lyrically sound and poignant verse on Renegades, but his delivery on the track is what derailed it. There's a way of writing and delivering lines in a certain order and manner that makes the listener pay attention. It's the equivalent of having a good film with poor editing. Great story, decent acting, but the editing makes it hard to follow. Em on the other hand had an amazing flow, was more entertaining lyrically and stood out more. Jay killed himself on Renegades.

This question is bullshit to ask anymore. Rap's too old to have a universal best. You can run off a top ten of people who have held the spot at one time or another.

Em, Jay, Mos Def, 3000, Pun, Pac, Biggie, Meth for a minute maybe.

Didn't read shit in this thread HOV DA GOD

Hol up we talkin bout jay vs em on renegade??

Jay smashed that nigga fuck nas

Nas lost. Fuck ether

Jay > em fighting the Mormans

Ether was better though
much better

Hold on u killn my vibe lol wtf?

Mos def... ran rap at one point?


Method man ran rap? No


Neither did andre3000 my nigga. I think pun is a stretch but I'll let u have em

But yo jay was top 3 from 98- like 05 or some shit lol, thats not the same as just havin some dope verses.

I can even take dmx since he was top three 97-99

Em was there too around the same time frame as jay

But not too many other ppl were that revelant for that long consecutively

Not as a diss track

Superugly was raw as fuck ether was just a better put together song

U kno u hit a nigga too hard when ya mother make u apologize,

Smarten up nas http://mobth720.photobucket.com/albu...g?t=1320619817

What the fuck does 'run rap' mean? Influence? I wasn't talking influence. That's based on popularity, even if it is in the community. Ask anyone named in this thread whether or not Mos Def is one of the best and they'd agree.

You'll let me have him? lol Thanks for your approval. I needed it.

thats what i mean lol, i don't think any mainstream diss track, as a diss track, was all that great

I wanna hear what Evidence had prepared for Eminem had he not apologized.

evidence should just stick to beats, like kanye

Nigga I CLEARLY explained it

Feel free to read it until u understnad more clearly!

If u wasn't the main nigga buzzin in rap ever, the how the hell can u be the best emcee? That don't even make sense

U name a nigga that got some good verses.... Mos Def.... the best emcee ever? How exactly can that make sense?

Based off of influence, Mos Def, is the best emcee ever to do it??

Lol amrite?

We aren't basing this off of influence, is what he's trying to say. Lol "some good songs" is what JayZ has. JayZ also bit his entire style.

Don't believe me?

My bad i skipped thru ya shit @Void but basically I'm saying there's nothing u can base your judgement off of that could put mos def #1 in anything

He can be your fav or whatever, but the nigga ain't the greatest of nothin I can see.

Nigga read this shit again

And then tell me u didn't lol right after u finished

But what's really upsettin me about this discussion is

How do you NOT base this off of influence????

We talkin about an emcee

The person who controls fuckin crowds??

You damn right popularity and influence is involved with this

Jay-Z bit Jaz-O's style. Straight up jacked that shit. I hate jay, though. He don't control a fucking thing round here.

Well since how I'm seeing hova and em being compared, here's my take...

Jay has a bigger urban influence because he talked about the streets,hustling and took what big brought to the table and evolved and always stayed relevant...but one knock against hov is that he raps with a air of invincibility...like he can't be touched...He is very measured whereas Em was wayyyy more passionate....and isn't afraid to release his inner turmoil which is him at his finest...technical ability Em was more adept with wordplay, wittyness played with cadences more...he basically used his voice as an instrument and wasn't afraid to experiment...And as for Ether...even tho Jay apologized there was multiple people that was there when Jay first heard it...and it was like a funeral in there...Jay def took it as a loss...that shyt had the streets buzzing and you kno how Jay protects his image...

and speaking of influences and emcee controlling the crowd...Jay used to be horrible...he even admitted himself...even now he don't do much but he has so much stage presence he don't need to...Em was more engaging at his best when performing....

Em>>>>jay on renegade

Jay>>>>em's whole career tho....

lol @ Andre 3000 falling off. Andre from Southernplayaistic on through Stankonia is the most consistent output of high quality lyrics in rap, in my estimation. Flow smooth as fuck and legitimately intelligent, not pseudo-intellectual underground bullshit. I don't give a fuck about the influence portion of this argument, just my own personal opinion of quality, but even if that did factor in he was part of one of the highest selling rap duos in history. Mainstream success and elitist respect. I know he's probably not in the top 5 consensus choices, but he'd be my pick.

Should probably stop appearing in razor commercials, though.

Andre been dope.

Pretty good actor as well. Outkast dope asfrick.
Better actor than Pac though?

@Rojo187 @Whys Ways sound like haters imo


I usually don't converse with dudes who have the blind hate trait

@TYSON renegade jay > em

lmao...and you a blind follower...remove jay dick from ya mouth and look at shyt objectively then you may learn suttin...