@detour

1. what are your opinions on central banking in general?

2. what's your opinion on the movie zeitgeist?

no american ships were sunk

i woke up later than usual gotta run to work but seriously just google the gulf of tonkin whereever your getting your info is false

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Can you explain the ideology behind the zeitgeist

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I think central banking is a travesty an should be abolished, especially considering it is illegal by constitutional law...the signing of the federal reserve act was an act of treason, but unfortunately the laws don't apply to the ruling class...

zeitgeist made some great points, but I don't agree with the idea that Jesus Christ was a fictional character comprised of other world religions, especially since the stories of other gods that were supposedly used weren't the same as Jesus Christ at all...I've read thru all of them an none of them are actually what zeitgeist says they are...

Snowden is a traitor to his government. But was righteous for humanity; it's preposterous that anyone could think that's worth a nobel peace prize but for Obama to take the cake is just downright hypocritical.

Im not going to go as far as to say whistle-blowers should be hanged or imprisoned in Guantanamo. But the man did commit treason and should be punished. Though, he caused more problems than solved. I commend him for trying to do anything, who knows; The U.S. is probably still jerking every country off from that.

But of course; I lack any first hand knowledge of the situation so to say he isn't a mole tactic would be wrong of me. And really to say anything regarding well all thats come from that event would be incorrect due to my lack of inference.

Nothing will change.

not being specific to the US I meant. central banking as a general practice.

my statement still stands...central banking an fiat currency revolve around creating money out of debt...the nation buys the currency from the central bank, with interest, an pays the debt in the same currency...it's a system designed to perpetuate the "rich get richer" idealogy...

in layman's terms, u agree to give me a dollar for $1.05...i have to pay u back with that same currency...thus, every dollar i get printed from u puts me $0.05 more in debt...i can never fully pay the debt cuz i have to get more money printed from u to pay it an that increases the debt...

plus, it puts the people at the bottom at the mercy of the central bank...the more money they print the less it is worth an inflation increases, meaning more money is needed...they print less money an it becomes more valuable but is less acquirable, meaning people are generally poorer...

look at the forced surrender of all gold by the american people...we were robbed basically at gun point for all of our actual wealth, an given worthless paper to replace it...people seem to forget that...an those kinds of practices are at the heart of central banking...the shit is a travesty...

how can u say he did something righteous for humanity but should be convicted of treason? u can argue that technically what he did might fall under the law for treason, but since when is the good of the government supposed to trump the good of the people? the government has committed treason on numerous occasions...snowden brought some of those to the light, tho' yes, much of it was already "known" to some extent...

the authority of the government extends only so far as it's within it's constitutional boundaries...our government hasn't been within those boundaries in decades, so by our constitution, they don't have the right to exact control over us or dictate laws or convict anyone of anything...the problem is that the american people are too lazy to overthrow the establishment...jefferson an washington woulda been done grabbed the rifle an gone to fight at this point...

I completely agree.

Humanity deserved to know, now they know; has revolutions sparked? No, like you said people are too fucking lazy in their lavish lifestyles. So the only thing Snowden has accomplished is a stronger tension between political super powers.

And the things that was imperative to our privacy nsa leaks and stuff; first off has been known. Secondly, he also sold government military tactics and information to other countries to gain asylum. Hes selling his country to help his country, that doesn't sit too right with me.

Though, I commend him for telling us about the NSA with evidential proof. Besides the things that I find important to the united states people. Hes a traitor and could have cause a 3rd world war. Hes fucking irresponsible and should have leaked individual files through wiki leaks causing riots on a small scale until it woulda escalated internally; instead of dropping everything at once.

He forced himself into the corner and the united states into the spotlight, he cause way too many fucking problems.

And yeah, benjamin and thomas would probably take rifle to the streets for overpriced food at walmart. People like you started doing a lot more talking then acting; now here we are, arguing between each other about why nobody is doing anything and whos morally right and whos wrong....

Step your game up, cause a revolt; I will follow. If not, shut the fuck up.

WINNER.

who are your sources? I would like to get their clearances revoked, thanks.

uh-oh is the smartest guy in this thread, and pretty much all on point with his posts, which is weird bc he's also the most bummiest guy in this thread.

all <3 though.

first, snowden sold out the GOVERNMENT cuz the GOVERNMENT woulda likely given him life in prison an/or executed him for committing an act that benefited humanity an exposed their treasonous activities...the government an the people are not the same thing...yes, he sold military secrets to protect his life, but u have to take that in the context of "big government/corporation tryna kill me for exposing how badly they're violating the constitutional rights of the american people so I have to give russia some info on the inner workings of this evil corporation that's violating all these laws an treaties"...

second, if I knew some people who were down to legitimately start a revolution I would do it...problem is, if I storm washington with a rifle in hand I'm a get gunned down before I get within 500 yards of the white house...u have to have enough people with u to actually make it a revolutionary act instead of just a lone gunman that will be called a psychopath on CNN an used as an example to try an enact more gun control laws...unfortunately, while our constitution grants us the right to overthrow the government by force, the government has made any attempts to revolt or overthrow the current system a federal offense of the highest degree...

amazing how the constitution can say "u have the right an duty to revolt" an the government, which is subject to the law of the constitution, can say "revolting against the government is a federal crime"...that should tell u in a nutshell who is really committing the acts of treason here...

Ironic, isn't it?

We both full well know that many people have the same idea of revolt; though, none of the people we actually know has the courage to be a leader. Sad really, how democracy has become a patriarchy.

As would I, although im not sure I would like to die in vain. Perhaps I can just drink my beer and smoke my weed as I watch the world turn to dust. Which sparks more irony because I can just decide this instant, I wont let the world turn to dust because I would not like it to. I lol at the thoughts; another year maybe.


I WILL CAUSE REVOLT AND BE GOD KING TYRANT. lel

same thing tho...if I knew enough people that were prepared an equipped an willing to do the shit I'd start planning...I don't have to be the leader but I would be if I had the souls at my side to march with...

tbh tho I think everyone is waiting for gun confiscation...once that happens we will likely see the beginning of the second civil war...

lol cybersecurity/ digital forensics y professors at a college

boooooooooooooooo!

wait, let's talk about this in real terms. are you referring to inflation, or taxes, I'm not sure what you're talking about in specifics in that example of 1$ for 1.05.

Put it this way: you get a paycheck for $700 every two weeks for working somewhere (idk what you do tbh). How exactly are you indebted to anyone?

the switch to a floating currency from the gold standard, while a valid point, in reality had very little to do with central banking. one of the reasons why FDR devalued gold was because people started to horde it in the great depression, which made the economy completely halt (compounding the existing economic crises). our currency is hardly interfered with by the FED - only the Canadian dollar is more pure as a floating currency, and really that's a relatively new development because of our stimulus packages and quantitative easing in light of the recession. floating currency has proven to be far more productive for virtually every economy in the world, it's not a conspiracy lol.

I think you have a fundamentally incorrect understanding of the role of the FED, as well as how we came to our current state of inequality, which I'm in full agreement by the way inasmuch as how the cards are stacked in favor of people who are already rich. but that's more a result of policymaking and, what many economists believe, inherent pillars of capitalism.

lol

detour vs. someone who isn't an idiot is fun

detour w/ the strong community college economics minor

The Feds are already limiting the sale of ammunitions. Full scale regrouping of American troops oppressing and locking down America on a large territory scaled level. Border control will become a shoot on sight and all ships and planes will be monitored by drones, air force intelligence and have every darkzone in the sky covered in a blanket of hawks.

By the time are defense is limited the military will have an unswerving allegiance against the far left wing nutjob revolutionaries that the propaganda labels them with. This country is so close to a internal genocide it's unbelievable.

Though, edges aren't always cut. Suppose we will see in 10 years.

lmao

this guy.

fuck do i miss when i was 15 and thought i had everything figured out. srs. embrace these days, Aesthetic. you're dumb as fuck but as confident as you'll ever be. halcyon days, im telling you.

lol this is a special brand of ether.

i'm not talkin either...when the federal reserve, or a central bank, prints out money for a government, it charges that government to do so...if they print out one dollar in currency, they charge the government the one dollar for the money, plus a fee for loaning them the money...the fee isn't five cents, i just used that as an example...

in order to pay that debt back, the government has to either give them real currency, such as gold (in which case they surrender all their real wealth to the central bank), or they pay them back in cash plus interest for the loan...they give the US a dollar, charge them $1.05 for it, an in order to pay that dollar back, they have to have a printed dollar from the central bank...which they are charged another five cents for (keeping in mind that five cents is an arbitrary number here)...

the whole system revolves around debt...there's simply no way around it when it comes to central banking an fiat currency...every dollar that is printed automatically puts the government in debt to the agency that printed it, an it puts them in debt for a greater amount than the money is actually worth...

nah son i go to the state university...

this is true but eventually the people will have had enough an we will see either revolution or civil war...i guess u could say they're both the same thing, but not for the intents an purposes i'm gettin at here...

but the great depression was engineered by central bankers to put america in the position of needing the federal reserve...this isn't just some new conspiracy theory either, it's pretty well known that jp morgan was behind the economic collapse...

so yes, central banking came as part of the aftermath of the great depression, but the great depression was intentionally put into place by people who wanted to institute central banking...beyond that, if i want to spend my money an labor on collecting gold, that should be my choice...

i understand how the FED works...as i said above, they print a dollar...the government now owes them that dollar, plus an interest fee for the loan...to pay that back, u have to print more money...which puts u farther in the red...it's a perpetual cycle of debt designed to give bankers control of governments...

central banking was the main reason the pilgrims left england in the first place...our history books make it about religious freedom, but that's not really what was going on...the english government centralized all currency an the individual towns an villages an states, which had their own forms of currency, basically lost every bit of wealth they had, as their money was instantly deemed worthless...