I never said I answered a question. Additionally, I am not using personal beliefs for anything. I believe that there is something out there.

Now if you're saying that I don't believe that Jesus Christ is the only true savior of man and this earth then yes I guess I am. To be clear I don't believe that the Christian God is the only God or the true God.

One clear scientific fact is that the earth is not flat, yet in the bible there are plenty of references to the earth being flat. The bible like any other book or teaching of a God had its time and place, but as humans evolve in their thinking so does our idea of God.

You are *flat out* wrong. The book of job 6000 years ago talks about earth as a globe...not flat.

This is what I am talking about. You diss Christianity but obv knlw nothing of it. And refuse to learn. Foolishness

Serious question - if I write a 30 paragraph response to this - and you can ask anyone who knows me - I will -

Are you actually going to read it? or just say tl;dr like detour, and practically every other person who gets into debates with me online?

Because if that's the case, I'm just going to save myself the time of typing one, and ultimately we're both going to walk away from this thinking the exact same way we would have thought if I responded in the first place. Because we both know that this isn't an open-minded conversation

Man not only did I grow up Catholic I taught Sunday School and discussed the bible with several priests and nuns at length. I have read the bible front to back I would say over 10 times. So to say I know nothing about Christianity is as ignorant as it gets.

Furthermore you're missing my point completely here. I'm not bashing Christianity, I am saying that it needs to evolve or it die. Do some research on God's prior to Jesus and or the bible's believed origin. See how many "Christ" like images there were in other beliefs.

Again my point is that we need evolve our though process on religion as we have evolved in other areas. To simply believe the Bible is the only thing real in this world is flat out stupid.

The problem can be seen here. You're so hell bent on proving or standing up to your beliefs it closes the door to other possibilities. I was too for a long time, due to the fear that Christianity uses to dictate believes and my own ego to believe everything I know is right.

Look around the Church and Christianity are controlling governing bodies obsessed with power and money not love and peace.

For your reference:

Mathew4:8
Once again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world [cosmos] in their glory.”

Daniel 4:10
the king “saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth...reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds.

Those passages prove nothing lolzord. Look at how terrible you are defending your point.


You have no idea as to why you believe what you do nor no understanding of the opposite side...you are intellectually unbalanced.

Try again.

I could say the same thing. Only after I refute it you wont change your mind lol...so your call.

So you're telling me that in a round world you could see the entire thing from the top of a tree.
I have yet to see you back up anything about the Bible being 100% factual.

You're argument is you need no agreement because its the bible. Well I was taught that Santa was real he has thousands of books talking about his north pole palace and his workshop.

Can you provide me proof (scientific) that he is not real?

And what exactly is the opposite side of my belief you refer to here?

God is disproven

For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much - the wheel, New York, wars and so on - whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man - for precisely the same reasons.

When I read this, I started seeing images of Morgan Freeman narrating a Planet Earth/Discovery Channel video about dolphins.

Hitchhiker's.

(Isaiah 40:22) There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth, the dwellers in which are as grasshoppers, the One who is stretching out the heavens just as a fine gauze, who spreads them out like a tent in which to dwell,

(Job 26:10) He has described a circle on the surface of the waters to the boundary of light with darkness.

Cuz he can do that dude, he's God

he's a multidimensional being, if you even wanna call it that. he created the dimensions to begin with.

he can stand on a billion planets at the same "time", you know that right?

how does having billions of other planets with life prove anything? serious question.

so since he made others, he couldn't have made us?

If you're willing to admit that there is life outside of Earth, you're immediately writing off creationism, as well as every single religion on this planet which was also conceived during the times of a geocentric paradigm where everything was written and designed to be solely about humans, and their significance in the universe. At which point, congratulations, you've found logic. You're now on the same side that I am

I never said that God doesn't exist - my argument is against religion. Yes, the notion of a God and life outside of earth can co-exist

but the notion of christianity and life outside of earth cannot.

you can now return to watching dolphins masturbate

I honestly don't understand your logic. How is believing in alien beings writing off religion?

and also, you wrote a pretty lengthy response just now with no answer to my question within it.

that is his M.O. glad you caught it. all these cats are the same. they demand answers from you. then they attack you and call you stupid etc, when they themselves NEVER answer even the simplest of questions with anything but conjecture, personal opinion and more questions.

1. God lives in Heaven....he has angels..in Heaven.....this is another place....where life is. so your agrument is nonsense. This cannot be debated, you can only say you were wrong

2. Christianity is not a religion, it is a fellowship...big difference.

a) only on this forum, where people don't read books without pictures, would that constitute as a lengthy response

b) your question is in regards to the existence of a God, which I do not confirm nor deny. And I do address this question by stating that "Yes, the notion of God and life outside of earth can co-exist"

That may not be the answer you were expecting, but it is an answer.

If the bible stated that God created the universe, and that billions of planets existed that could potentially harbor life - or if the bible even made so much as a minor acknowledgement to the fact that there is, in fact, a universe outside of the Earth with other planets that are also evolving - and they are evolving, whether or not they host life...because to act like stars don't explode and planets don't cease to exist and the creation and destruction of black holes in which gravity is so strong that not even light can escape. If the bible even bothered to notice that the earth was around long before humanity was, and that plant/animal life was around for hundreds of millions of years before humanity could evolve - then yes. I would be more than happy to say that there's a good chance that these scriptures make sense.

According to the Bible, Earth was created for the sole purpose of being the host of humans, which were made in God's image. To suggest that there could be any *intelligent* life outside of this planet, which is mathematically inevitable (look up the drake equation) if you postulate that there are in fact billions of other planets with the potential to evolve life. Furthermore, when Adam & Eve rebelled against the creator, they brought the cosmos under his curse. Therefore, if there was life outside of Earth - it would affected them as well. The second person of the holy trinity incarnated on Earth alone, took on human nature, died for the sins of those with whom he has the kinsman-redeemer relationship, then ascended to the right hand of God the Father. He took on human nature, not the nature of a martian or any other being from any other planet. Therefore, there's no way for theories of evolution and theories of creationism from a Christian standpoint to coalesce, because 'Jesus' was, in fact - only human.

But at the end of the day, the bible never even acknowledges the possibility of intelligent life outside of earth. It's really that simple. And it makes sense when you consider that it was written from the perspective of a civilization that doesn't fully comprehend the world. A civilization that thought that the sun orbited around the earth, and had no idea what caused stars. A civilization ignorant enough to believe that God spent more time creating the earth than the universe around it. That is an example of just how highly humans think of themselves. Which, ironically, was done in a 6 day period. Well, what is a day? A day is a man-made time measurement for a global phenomena...One day is how long it takes for the earth to spin on it's axis. 24 hours. Which is entirely arbitrary considering all planets spin at a different speed. One day on Venus, for example - is 243 days on Earth. Which means that if Earth spun at the same rate, we'd say it took God 1,458 days to create. You're getting a little slow there, lord. Now, if took God 6 days to create the earth, how did 6 days even pass if there was no earth to spin? That's just a silly philosophical argument - but more seriously, God would have created the Earth, and arbitrarily set it to spin in 1/6th of the time (or 1/7th if you include the 7th day) that it took him to make it. Which makes no sense at all as it is, but realistically speaking, the earth spins once every 23.93 hours. So apparently God couldn't even get the calibrations right on the whole spinning earth deal.

And you would dare insult an omnipotent being by believe that he's so fallible in the first place?

Mind you, it was a Pope who said that evolution and catholicism could co-exist, but you and I both know that creationism doesn't fit into that puzzle anywhere. And if we were to try to create a book based on what we know now that explains the meaning of life, the universe, and everything I assure you in 2,000 years - there will be countless discoveries that disprove the things we know. Because unlike religion, knowledge continues to change.





I suggest you let me finish on that note, because I promise my next response will be at least twice the length of this one by the time I'm done

I'll give you the benefit of a doubt and agree that Heaven is the same thing as "life", but the reality of the matter is you should already know that I'm talking about the existence of intelligent life on another planet. Not humans, not angels, and probably not green martians, but intelligent life none-the-less. You can use red herrings all you want, but I'm not here to argue about the semantics of what can and cannot be construed as "Life outside of earth"

there is no forgiveness of sin w/out Yashaya
you will die in your sins if you don't believe in him

do not think that u are not a sinner, nor by your own righteousness you will be found worthy to enter into the kingdom

admit you dwell in darkness and are blind and can't see nor know the truth

Since we're all sinners and sinners can't know the truth then how would I know to believe in Yashaya?

But seriously, these types of discussions shouldn't take place here. People are too dogmatic in their own beliefs and no one will ever admit when they're wrong on any point. It's a lose-lose.

Lol I love it when people like you do this.

What are you hoping to achieve with this besides coming across as a pretentious asshole?

If you want people to take your message onboard speak like a fucking human, stop intentionally alienating people from hearing your 'truth' by speaking like Moses because secretly you like the fact people don't understand you, you crave that from your religion, if you worked for your God you would speak in a way that actually got your message across, that after all is the point, is it not?

Or are you just speaking to be heard?

You are inside my brain, posting for me so I don't have to.

Thank you for saving me the effort. I am lazy, after all.

(so long and thanks for all the fish)

mathematics itself is flawed so just cuz it says something can or can't be doesn't make it a fact...can't remember what the shit is called but there's a math problem that illustrates the imperfections of our number system...it has to do with a series of deposits an withdrawals from a bank account...add up the deposits an withdrawals separately an u get the exact same number, but when u do them in the order made u get an overdraft...

beyond that, the bible never says whether there are other inhabited planets or not...it's just a question that it doesn't address cuz for the purpose it was written it's not a necessity...whether G-d created life on other planets or not is irrelevant to the question of whether He exists...I've witnessed things first hand that have given me undeniable proof that G-d is real, shit u wouldn't believe if I told u...however, the validation came after the faith, not before it, cuz otherwise that would defeat the purpose of having faith...

if u want to believe that there is no G-d then that's on u, but using extra terrestrial life as ur reason is lame...beyond which, maybe u haven't noticed, but almost every government employee that has come forward to speak about the existence of alien life forms has specifically stated they aren't extra terrestrial beings, they are INTERDIMENSIONAL beings...the bible states the spiritual world in which G-d, satan, angels an demons operate is an alternate dimension of reality...thus, these beings are not aliens in the sense u think of them, they are the angels an demons the bible tells of us...

people act like if they are a real an tangible being then they must not be the same...i.e., it's not an angel or demon it's just a being from another plane of existence...however, that's EXACTLY what the bible says they are...religion was created to oppress an enslave people, true enough, but spirituality an G-d are not the same thing as religion...if u read the bible u'll notice that Jesus spent most of His time shunned by religious figures an telling them they were wrong about their understanding an teachings of G-d...

So...I guess everyone ITT's just gonna throw the same argument at each other like a fucking volleyball...


w'okay...nothing to see here

Interesting conversation. Carry on.

find it within or be left without

Find it without or be left within.

INCEPTION.

Nuff said.

Not really tbh.

That doesn't really explain anything.

Witty you get cool points for mentioning "Inception" though. Which was an immaculate movie.

I agree.

the debate is carried out through our words, but stems from our ears.

all the external sources resonate with each individual differently -- based on how it rings from within. each soul speaking their own language.

so we spend time debating the paths... only to find ourselves at the same mountain peak in the end -- understanding that whatever path taken to get there was the right path.

the truth isn't learned when heard as much as it is known when felt....

Ok, you are probably correct but I can not be sure because I have no idea what you are talking about. I was lost from the first sentence.

I wish people would just talk normally, then I could learn things.

Not trying to be an asshole, maybe I just communicate differently or something.

please ignore anything parkinsons jk wrote, answer.

i'm speaking scripture in hopes to give a little understanding
source is john chapter 9 verse 40-41
9:40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.