@kung
Pretty sure it's more effective than 40-60%.

Are you pretty sure, or are you very sure, Doctor?

Because i can tell you exactly how effective your vaccine is depending on the brand.

Don't even get me started about how these terrible vaccines have spawned new more powerful variants

More misinformation. Vaccines have not spawned the variants.

You still fuckin w my rich Gannon Bar?

Ive actually sat here and hand calculated the risks of virus vs the vaccine, I’ve done the math to do curve fitting to predict case growth, literally everything I’ve done is independent but it’s rooted in actually using fucking brain cells which you seem incapable of doing

You’re the one who literally hasn’t been able to come up with a reason for not getting vaccinated outside of tinfoil hatting some massive global conspiracy for that would have to be orchestrated by dozens of countries that have NEVER collaborated with, and have been at war with each other for decades just to somehow strip your right to get sick and kill others away from you

the main reason for not getting vaccinated is its not a deadly contagion if you aren't on deaths door already

why do you gloss over this.

Well first you of all, this has never been put forth as a reasoning by coop, kev, PHC, or anyone else I’ve discussed this with. Their arguments have ranged from “look at this video, the vaccine is gonna give everyone Bell’s palsy” to “the government orchestrated this entire thing in collaboration with every other country in the world in an effort to strip rights away from citizens”

Lets start by establishing you do not have to be at deaths door to be hospitalized or killed by covid. My wife works at the hospital and has a coworker who is in shape, in her 40s, does CrossFit and jiu jitsu and she was hospitalized with COVID for over a week. That’s not an assertion that everyone who gets covid is likely to be hospitalized, it’s just a proof that your generalization is false. Healthy people can and have been hospitalized by COVID. Young people with respiratory conditions or diabetes are also likely to be hospitalized by COVID and those people have a right to live, too. Anyone who is hospitalized by COVID can be killed by COVID. Whether they live or die is a matter of the quality of their care and the resources those hospitals have. If hospitals are overwhelmed, they don’t have the respirators for everyone, and more people will die.

What I will grant you is that you are significantly less likely to be hospitalized/killed by covid if you are under a certain age with no preexisting medical conditions, because you’re right, the data supports that.

Secondly, I’ve never glossed over this. You would know that if you didn’t gloss over everything I’ve written.

I’ve already addressed one part of the reasoning in my post regarding mutations in this very thread. Please go back and read, instead of glossing over it.

There are economic reasons to get the vaccine, because there’s no “return to normal” in a world where we’re just shrugging our shoulders and killing off everyone over 60 and with some preexisting medical condition and just accepting that as collateral damage. Those people are employees and workers in our economy. That also leads to overwhelming the hospitals which leads to more people dying for things completely irrelevant to COVID because hospitals can only handle so much. Then you’ve got the cycle of the fact that SOME of those people most at-risk for the virus ARE hospital workers which means an even greater shortage of hospital workers and even more needless deaths from non-covid ER patients. 2% death rate for Americans means 6.7 million people dead, and that doesn’t even factor in the number of hospitalizations

And that financial incentive completely ignores that HEY, getting a shot in the arm to prevent even ONE old person from dying is just the obvious right thing to do when you’re not a shitty person. If all I had to do is jerk off to gay porn to save your grandmother from dying, I’ll do it, James. It’s really not much of a loss on my part. And id rather get the vaxx than jerk off to gay porn, so as far as I’m concerned it’s an even better deal

And if the health of the economy and the health of a random stranger who doesn’t deserve to die because you’re a selfish piece of shit isn’t incentive enough, it’s also just a lot cheaper to get a free vaccine than it is to risk getting a hospital bill that’s thousands of dollars. You can get free donuts and shit too, idk wtf else you want

I’ve also got a section on COVID in my book that also addresses this and goes through the calculations when weighing the risk of the vaccine vs the virus that you’re welcome to read. At the end of the day, you don’t get the luxury of living in a world without COVID, so you have to make a choice. Obviously you’re going to choose covid, but if your only reason is “it’s not a risk to me” then it’s just selfish. I can’t do any calculations or reasoning that will change selfishness

nah i get all that and didn't gloss over everything. i'm of the opinion of letting it burn through. it's half as deadly as originally estimated, i read that on cnn btw, not infowars or some nutbag website. and the death numbers are inflated to begin with. if you can't admit that every covid death wasn't caused by covid we're at an impasse. some people believe that number is big, some think it is small. but there is a number.

also the vaccine doesn't protect anyones grandparents. it could help them if THEY get it. but as a healthy person you are literally better off getting covid and surviving it than getting the vaccine. you are still contagious vax or no vax

its just dumb to me. i understand your logic i just don't understand the need to enforce it for such a minor virus and its the precedent it sets more than anything. i'd be against mandates and shit if it was actually deadly. i wouldn't be anti vax for a virus i was actually fearful of, but i'd still be anti anyone forcing it on anyone.

Yes, you’re contagious, even just as contagious with the vaxx as you are without it. (Assuming you actually get infected with COVID which is less still likely with the vaxx). But you’re contagious for a much shorter period of time (I think it’s about 3-4 days shorter, I’d have to find the exact study) because you fight off the virus quicker, so you ultimately spread it to less people which would reduce the hospitalizations/deaths if everyone got it

But the fact that vaxxed people are contagious at all is an issue and a reason for people to continue socially distancing, wearing masks, etc. until a better solution is available

And for whatever it’s worth, I don’t think forcing federal workers to get vaccinated is a good move. There’s already a shortage of workers and I think people are more likely to just quit and try to get unemployment before they’ll get the vax, which could damage the economy or they’ll just flock to religious exemptions so it’s kind of pointless altogether. Biden has done plenty of stupid shit, and vaccine mandates for fed workers is one of them. In the long run I think it will be more damaging than helpful

But there’s no winning here. If I’m drunk driving 120 mph down the road and get pulled over for speeding, that’s not an infringement on my right to drive how I want, thats not government setting a precedent that’s later going to lead to them taking away everyone’s right to own a weapon or car or whatever, that’s necessary government intervention because what I’m doing is endangering others.

course.
Shit's blammin.

So because of Bidens new mandatory shit, the company i work for (3M) has just mandated that vaccines are mandatory for all of us now since we work with the governemnt and shit. Which is cool by me cause i got mines... But only 55% in of my site has gotten it. So im curious to see what happens to those who continue to refuse. Fuck it.. ill take the OT. LETS GOOOOO

I dont want to.

Are there any more questions?

I would kinda have to if it came to that, it would also mean the government is trampling all over our basic freedoms, but that wouldn't surprise me.

Hey this kungfugrip guy is an actual retard.

Come at me.

Witty. Am i pronouncing that right? Witty?

Is prepared to fold on his convictions instantly if it means he can't get a Big Mac. Shut your mouth forever you fucking nobody

I love you too bro.

Thanks boss

that's not argument or an independent thought, that's the whinings of a toddler who doesn't want to eat his vegetables

i mean its also freedom tho

Lmaoooooo

Thats the only reason i need for you to shut your fucking mouth.

ive said none of these things to you.

you continually replied to me about shit i, me, hand cannons straight from lahor, have never actually said, as if i said them.

thats about the depth of our exchange you muppet.

my point was one of cause & effect - how do you miss that?

the effect of a cause isnt always instantaneous. saying, after less than two years, X amount of people have had a "vaccine" that got rushed out is proof of its safety just shows the level you operate on


shame.

appreciate the honesty though - without no extra slick shit.

hope youre son is growing up healthy my G.


never tell anyone to close my thread again you one tone run sarcasm in to the ground hoe

i got it so i could watch disney adults cry

straight from lahore. lol.