you’re a moron
these were tested prior to rollout like every vaccine ever

Boom

not all of us are ok with actively killing our older relatives

Man you the only elderly person everybody hates, stop trying to make this an ageist thing

By the way...

A Portuguese court just ruled the PCR test is INEFFECTIVE IN DETECTING COVID and likely has around a 97% false positive rate.

Look it up yourself.

It’s what I’ve been saying. The recommended cycle threshold for the PCR test is way too high, resulting in viruses being detected that aren’t covid. Hence, the high case numbers. Also why most people who are dying already got issues or are old as shit. Because most people aren’t catching covid, they are catching the flu.

Why else would the flu numbers be so significantly low this year compared to others?

Why are the “all cause mortality” numbers relatively the same this year compared to years past, globally and in the US?

All you gotta do is research how the PCR test works to connect the dots.

The creator of he test himself said it’s not meant to be used for virus detection and identification.

And if you refute this without knowing how a PCR test works, you’re just showing how stupid you are, and arguing with the very science you claim to trust

you're right to be alarmed. it is alarming that some people are getting strange side effects. it should be investigated further and treated with seriousness. i'm not at all denying the side effects are real.

but if we're comparing relative danger of the vaccine and the corona virus, there isn't much of a comparison. be aware of the potential side effects, but if you want to get back to the "normal" version of America, the only path there is through mass vaccinations.

Your last sentence is propaganda.
Your last sentence is propaganda.
Your last sentence is propaganda.
Your last sentence is propaganda.
Your last sentence is propaganda.

You see how when something is repeated you have no choice but to acknowledge it? And if you are uneducated on the subject matter, it’s much easier to just agree and go along?

It’s what’s happening worldwide.

Research “the big lie”.

And his statement is a double entendre but I’m sure you knew that

originally i was going to responsively debunk Coops latest post. maybe note the fact that he failed to cite his sources once again. or that PCR tests are based on DNA which makes it pretty easy to tell different virus apart.
http://siarchives.si.edu/research/vi...C%20California.

then i took a second to think about it. won't we all be better of if the stupid people catch this?

Perfect example of fake smart.

Let me expose you

Because I fully believe you did one search on PCR test. Posted a random article without reading it, made a comment irrelevant to the subject matter, and tryna play it off like you debunked something.

How does this debunk cycle thresholds over 35 being a cause of false positives? Because that was my point? Go ahead smart guy

stfu closs

no they weren't.

im as alarmed by the vaccine as i am by covid. (not at all)

it isn't mandated so i could give a shit tbh. im never getting it so i have nothing to worry about and covid itself is nothing to worry about.

If you understood how PCR tests work you would both know that this sentence is nonsense (pending your evidenciary support) and that this fact was made clear in the article I posted.

I’m aware of your games and goal post moving, so allow me to reiterate and be specific:


So you are refuting that specific sentence, not my point, which is “the high cycle thresholds are causing high numbers of false positives”?



Oh btw...
Here’s the creator of the test himself, literally explaining “you can find almost anything in anybody”

Watch the whole thing, it’s short, but he puts in in layman’s terms for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXm9kAhNj-4

Stop letting media control what you think.

You are allowed to question things without fear of being ostracized. You are allowed to look up information you don’t understand.


Here’s a little research roadmap for the fake smart people like fraze, or the people that want to know more about what’s going on and why:

1) Look up Kary Mullis (died last year), the guy WHO CREATED IT, and listen to his opinion on the test’s application for detecting viruses.

(Again, find the ACTUAL VIDEO, not an article discussing the video. That’s a trick I keep seeing people fall for.)

****just posted it for you


2) When researching the test and how it works, don’t skip over the part about cycles and cycle thresholds. It’s the very key to this whole thing

3) look up WHO’s recommended cycle threshold for covid testing, and compare that to what you just learned

4) look up the ruling a Portuguese court just made about the effi***y of the PCR test. Spoiler: THEY RULED IT WAS UNRELIABLE FOR DETECTING COVID WITH ~97% FALSE POSITIVE RATE (!!!)

5) once you’ve done all that, now look up all the experts worldwide saying the same about these PCR tests. And try to find those same doctors being covered by the main news stations. Hmmm

6) look up the cdcs definition of how they classify a death a covid death, and if they allow only confirmed cases, or confirmed AND PROBABLE cases, based off symptoms. And look up how much a hospital gets paid through Medicare for each code and how that works

7) spend some time looking for a scientific study that conclusively proves we can transfer covid asymptomatially. Then try to find studies that suggest we can’t.

8) look up the “all cause mortality” numbers and compare 2020 to previous years, globally and US. Notice how little difference there is. Why isnt there excess death, when we are dealing with the “worst pandemic ever” and 4K dying a day. And why are flu numbers down significantly this year? Could we be misattributing the flu as covid in some cases?

9) look up the psychological effects of wearing a mask in public. If you walk around in a society of masks, it makes everyone believe that there’s something scary out there. Look up being unable to read human expression, and isolating people and making them think they are a danger to loved ones, and how that relates to torture techniques

This just tip of the iceberg shit but I hope it provides some enlightenment in your life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_1Z8cSXI-Q

This is the best video I’ve come across that explains PCR testing, the importance of cycle thresholds, and how it leads to misinterpreting results.

nobodies gonna watch or look into any of that coop.

you gotta just throw in the towel and realize people believe what they want to believe on all sides.

In case you didn’t think there were doctors out there with “dissenting medical opinion” here you go. Looks like a ted talk full of doctors and she exposing hella shit. Surprised it’s not banned

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFntHpk1uok

It isn’t for the people in the thread. The responses are 99% troll. It’s for the lurkers that want the knowledge and maybe haven’t heard or seen some of this before.

It’s also an opportunity for anyone to debunk like fraze is trying to.

It may not seem like it, but I’m very open to being wrong about anything, and changing my stance upon revelation of new information. I’m trying to find someone who actually can research objectively, and say more than just “what’s your source?!?” instead of actually intelligently debating the subject matter

I'm the one moving goalposts?

You don't like me asking for sources?

You're open to new information?

That's confusing to me, pretty much every time I counter you with facts you go into personal attacks and try to insult my intelligence. I'm not sure which debating school you went to, but that's not generally how intelligent debates progress.

Edit: You can only see this video from the link because it’s unlisted.

A shadowban is when they don’t delete the content, but they prevent it from coming up in search algorithms. Most people don’t even know they’re being shadowbanned. This happens across all social media.

When you listen to what she’s saying it makes sense why’d they do it.

She explains everything I’ve been saying way better than I could

Connect the dots

look hard enough, you will always find dissenting opinions
what’s the general consensus?
that’s the smart play

That’s not the case in the betting industry. The smart play is bet against the public 9/10

600 years ago the general consensus was geocentric theory. You’d be considered a conspiracy theorist for thinking the earth revolves around the sun.

General consensus 100 years ago was slaves are a good thing to have.

Etc...

Most people also think its a bad idea to stick your fingers in an electrical socket. If you're betting against the public consensus 9 times out of 10, how are you still alive right now?

The betting industry dummy. Find me the odds for that bet first, I’d argue it doesn’t exist.

Which would prove you’re just making shit up again

hey, dumb shit
it’s the smart play even in betting
no risk... small reward
haven’t you ever even seen rounders? i bet you thought knisch was a bitch too

general consensus 1000 years ago was fire plus food good idea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFntHpk1uok


This video can’t be understated.

This is a doctor/lawyer, giving an hour speech. She represents a
“Volunteer physician organization, started specifically to combat the serious and life threatening disinformation campaign that has taken over America and the globe.”

The speech is what MSM would refer to as “dissenting medical opinion”

This is the information that gets scrubbed and blocked, it’s why the host has the video unlisted, comments disabled, and this only travels through personal link, and still has 200k views.

You owe it to yourself to listen to some of this.

Everything sourced and cited btw.

Timestamps: (I highly recommend watching from start to finish for context. She makes references later in the speech that wouldn’t make much sense if you didn’t listen throughout)

1:40 - NIH incorrect policy on treatment

3:20 - Renaming it from wuhan virus and why that’s abnormal

4:58 - suspicious hydroxychloroquine bashing as dangerous, when it’s a common otc drug in lots of places around the world and proven as treatment

20:51- The Lancet (most famous medical journal ) corruption. Published study in April about hydroxy. Independent doctors looked at it, said no way there’s 90k people in the study, and no ones heard of it. They ultimately retracted the article, (once a generation event!) and media buried the story . This same, now redacted, story was used as the source to ridicule trump when he praised the black doctor that said hydroxy was a cure.

23:40 - potential issues with the experimental biological agent (aka vax)

-mRNA (brand new), “investigational stage” which leads to legal protection
-complete failure of previous coronavirus vaccine attempt

(2002 epidemic of sars cov 1)
(This is 78% identical to sars cov 1)

-25:21 no independently published animal studies (one says they have, but not published)

-25:48 known complications
“Antibody dependent enhancement”
“Immune enhancement”
“Pathogenic priming”

“Instead of causing immunity, it causes a person to overreact in a negative way if they should be exposed to the virus”

-26:43 Saw this with prior cov 1 vaccine in 2005 with ferrets . Later they exposed sars cov 1 to ferrets in the wild, and they died. Could this happen with humans?

-27:43 Potential unknowns:
Fertility issues :

-28:36 Does it affect the syncytiotrophoblast , a layer on the placenta. It does when you’re sick with covid 19, and the vaccines kind of mimic having covid indefinitely

Does this agent have the same negative effect indefinitely? We don’t know

2 Europe ex-Pfizer executive filed petition with European equivalent of FDA, can’t approve it. Haven’t answered question about placenta and antibody dependent enhancement”

They claim it’s unsafe for child bearing age women until questions are answered

-30:16 pharmaceutical manufacturers are immune from liability (mostly profit-motivated)

-31:27 no proof that the agent stops transmission. Irrational! The surgeon general stated this on good morning America in December

What if they give 100m vaccines to everyone, and then everyone tests positive, they will say cases are rising and we can never go back to normal lol

-32:53 no proof this is reducing mortality

-33:15 we don’t know how long it lasts

-36:08 her studies on people of color and vaccines, and how it relates to the push for black people to get it
(38:31 starts exposing examples in media)

-39:06 using racial justice in a scientific matter is illogical

-42:58: pharmacovigilance tracking system (volunteering for a medical trial) established by DOD, will track for 2 years, handed to oracle and google to set up the data

-47:23 - vax distribution recommendation & reason based on age and health


You’re welcome. If you have even an ounce of intellectual curiosity you need to watch this video.

Ya’ll just love to argue on the Internet lol.

Not to mention, it's not like it isn't widely known the vaccine isn't tested on a huge group of people yet, it is still in the stages of perfection. Serious question, do you guys really think they mainly test/give such a costly and important thing on mostly the elderly at first by chance? It's great if it works but also the least damaging on society if it doesn't. Definitely a conspiracy theory on my part, but hell, I don't think anyone can convince me otherwise of this

Lots of people have died and risked thei lives for vaccines to get the proper testing to get to this point in time where it's in a trial period for the public. It sucks that shit like this can happen but like you're saying, she isn't dead. If it is treatable, then damn, it's worth the side effect if the option is a very high risk of dying, or infecting others that will if they get it.

Side effects isn't surprising, it just sucks that it isn't as good as it can get yet. What's great is the courageous people taking the vaccine already now (and should know it is a risk this early), it's thanks to them we're moving forward with everything!

Sucks that the lady don't see it as such, and tells people not to take it instead of being an important voice in further development of it. And rooting on the people that work day and night risking to get infected themselves, some for free, with the virus to get a functional and predictable vaccine.

There's still a lot to be done, why this is surprising to some of you makes me scratch my head a little. What we're seeing here is a step in the right direction

I offer myself to slap some sense into you

I need a blow job from Christy Turlington

Dude I somewhat agree with you when you say to be cautious of this vaccine.

But then you take it up another level into the anti-masker zone.
Ridiculous. There IS something scary out there, COVID, as 400k Americans are dead.

The mask is the simplest most effective way on cutting down the spread. You can't whine about it.

If you have been vaccinated then why does wearing a mask matter?

We all have opinions. Personally, I give two shits about masks. But there is a psychological effect on people there’s no doubt about it.

The “scary” comment should be taken as “everyone wearing a mask, even when healthy, makes people think that everyone else is infected/someone wrong with them, encouraging less human interaction” ... which leads to the aforementioned psychological problems over an extended period of time

1) not treatable so far, it hasn’t stopped for her since it started
2) “if the option is very high risk of dying” - it’s not for anyone under 65 without any underlying issues
3) “...or infecting others that will if they get it” - it has been publicly stated by Fauci, the Pfizer ceo, and other officials that the vax does NOT prevent transmission. That’s not what it’s designed for, though for whatever reason people think it is.


Ultimately, the issue with this is that it is an experimental biological agent, who’s creators can’t be sued, that was rushed at an historic pace, that was not tested on animals (extremely important), that we have no clue if it causes infertility in woman, and the chances of the average person being fine WITHOUT taking it is sky high.

it doesn’t.

More than 38,000 Americans have died of Covid-19 in the first two weeks of the new year.

Another 92,000 are projected to die from the virus over roughly the next three weeks, according to an ensemble forecast published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

it’s not bullshit, morons
take the fucking vaccine

Do you know how many of those 38,000 received the vaccine? Do you know if it’s most of them, or barely any? All or none?

Hmmm


Another question


Do you think that if all 38,000 took the vaccine they’d all be alive?

If yes, what are you basing that on? If no, why take the vaccine then?

Answer those questions and you might realize why what you’re saying makes no sense

Then why are they still mandating those who have been vaccinated to continue to wear masks?

Clearly this is the next logical question. You are asking the right ones.

The answer of course, is because the vax doesn’t stop transmission. Meaning you are basically only getting it “on the off chance” you get the virus, “there’s a chance” the symptoms will be “slightly” more bearable .


But let’s see what his scripted, programmed, brainwashed answer will be .


My moneys on “so you can protect others!”