seeking asylum isn't illegal

i see that.

seeking asylum isn't illegal. entering the country illegally is. you can be an illegal immigrant and lawfully apply for asylum from within america. which is what they are trying to do.

its not the seeking asylum that most people have a problem with, its the illegal entry

and even if they are granted asylum, (after being able to prove that they would be persecuted in their home nation) that doesn't make them a citizen, its literally a temporary status.

Why bother explaining anything to this doink?

so let's break this down real nice and clear so we're all on the same page

when you refer to someone as an illegal immigrant, you are implying they've broken an immigration law of ours.

the immigration laws in america state you can legally seek asylum by showing up at a port of entry. so, if you show up at a port of entry, which is in america, and apply for asylum.. you are traditionally(and by our current immigration laws) given a court date to make your case, once your case is made and you are granted asylum, you can then apply for citizenship. you are correct this is a temporary status.

at no point during this journey has the theoretical migrant broken any laws, and therefore it would be inaccurate and misguided to label them as an illegal immigrant.

do we agree so far?

agreed

what you are assuming is these people are coming through the ports of entry, the VAST majority aren't, because everything is overcrowded and its easier to cross illegally

no one should be against illegal immigration more than actual asylum seekers since all the illegals are what is bogging down the system and forcing them all to be backlogged and held up while everyone gets processed.

if you are for the welfare of asylum seekers you should be anti illegal immigration

it's so crazy how confident you are that i'm the one assuming lol

how do you know the vast majority of currently detained migrants didn't seek asylum at the port of entry?

I like how if you’re mom manages to make it across while she’s pregnant with you, and you’re born here, you’re American
Your mom is still illegal though
Probably the best example of how this is all arbitrary bullshit

they may have, and noticed how bogged down it was and then entered illegally to be captured/detained. the numbers for apprehensions are out there. if you google "undocumented" instead of illegal you'll even find lefty sites putting the numbers up and you can trust cnn and msnbc right? 70k one month, 100k the next etc etc

ice put out there is an average of 40k people cycling through detention centers each month

but nah the majority lawfully left their homeland and waited patiently to seek asylum. they didn't break any laws and they drink out of toilets. that puerto rican with the hot tits said so

first off fuck no you can't trust cnn or msnbc are you joking?

second i've had the ice & border patrol statistics open on my browser for weeks now, i know how many they are detaining. that's not what we're debating

third lets remember ice and border patrol are different agencies with different numbers and different approaches, obviously

to be clear in the last three months border apprehensions by border patrol have almost tripled. they apprehended 132,000 last month. 95,000 of them are children or families. the amount of families detained at the border has tripled in the last three months. as you can see it's over 2/3rds, it used to be like 10-20%. the amount of refugees coming to the port of entry LEGALLY has also tripled since 2017.

do we agree so far?

Y'all niggaz obivously never been in maximum security prison...and it's awesome you haven't...
But you got 25 niggaz in 4 man cells...no lights... toilet over flowing....eating rotten bologna...locked in rooms 24 hours a day...no sun light for months and months due to shortage of staff inmates can't "safely" be given recreation or showers so they just don't get the shit....and before you say mothafuckas shouldn't have broken the law take into consideration that everyone there isn't murders,rapist or even actual violent offenders....I can't speak for all States but the states under bill and Hillary Clinton's truth of sentencing act bill...even you have over a certain amount of time no matter violent or not you go to maximum security prison.....you got mothafucking non violent first time offenders in max level 3 prisons piled into 3 and 4 man cells with 25 lifers,killers,gang bangers etc etc...inmates dying of diesese at alarming rates, cancer in us prison system is 75% higher than free individuals....but yet no one cares about this...but illegal immigrants from another country is all over TV just to make Trump look bad? Fuck that give our Americans the same justice

listen bro there are lots of people that think the situation you're describing is awful and are actively trying to stop it and also think the treatment of detained migrants is awful and are actively trying to stop that, and they could care less about specifically making trump look bad.

This kind of thinking is the main problem, and why the rest of the world mostly looks at the US as a disgusting nation due to the high levels of utter self important ignorance.

You couldn't even stand to read what these people are going through in an already TL;DR-version yet you have something to say about it..? You think these people wanted to leave their country for the US, of all places? It's most like the most viable option for them, not because they want to be there. I get scared of the thought of having to actually live in your country, I'd love to visit and hang out with its people tho. But for most of the people that had to run away from war, something you only see on FOX, it was either running or imminent death/constant danger. I can't believe you're not ashamed at seeing how a lot of them are struggling on your soil, the so called "land of the free, except those that ain't ofc. Fuck them, lol". I bet a lot of them would have preferred death/staying where they were and dying there if they knew they'd enter a completely different kind of Hell/torture no-one could predict or make them aware of, that's probably in many ways worse than what they'd endure in their own country, or similar negligence to human life (if you know what that concept is). Fuck you for thinking this way of handling it is acceptable, and I mean that with a passion.
I also bet a lot of those migrants have died but it's covered up heavily. I'm waiting for the 2030 documentary made by the same people that created the Abu Ghraib documentary already. I wouldn't be surprised if you don't know about your own modern history sucking the dick of your forefathers on an morbid twist of utter negligence for what they tried to do and the morals most tried to push. Can't really expect more from some of you in the epic and awesome times that is the Trump presidency, I guess. And no, this isn't some political leftist bullshit, I didn't like George W. Bush in office at all as I knew it'd affect how we'd use some of our military along with bs concerning things that happened during his time as well, but goddamn if he wasn't saint in comparison and I didn't pay him any mind other than opposing views. I'd even admit he was a good president even tho Republicans can suck my crooked left hanging cock.

I'm just saying it as it is, these kinds of thoughts is actually how the majority of the world views you. Just ask 10 random people while traveling what they think and look at their faces/replies with honesty. It's only people like Boof that makes us not vilify you as a people which I've had to explain on a few occasions. That not everyone is ignorant, straight forward and/or unintelligent for the most part. I can't count how many people think you all live in a bubble, and they're partly not wrong either, that's the worst part. Even among my right wing, woulda been republican in the US and Trump is better than nothing, friends that sort of thinking and saying is unthinkable unless you're a troll. In which case you'd still be a cunt worthy of a bitchslap and a half. Take it from someone whose grandmother fed jews in concentration camps you good for nothing, would have laughed if you were there seeing it go down, type of person. And you saying shit like "FUCK YOU, LOL. IT'S NOT EVEN THE US SO YOU DON'T MATTER!". It is your go to, right?
Well, surprise motherfucker, what you do affect the west in general and we're getting tired of your shit. These people will and/or can grow insane hatred towards you, and I won't blame them for it. Specially not when there's citizens that stand behind what their gov is doing. In the end, it's only so much the rest of the world will tolerate, fucking sending that bitch Kardashian or whatever the name of that chick Trump sent to a meeting with world leaders was again like it's some goddamn dinner party. Despicable. How can you stand behind that? You've had a good run of 200 years or so, will be interesting to see your replies when shit goes south. Just too bad we'll most likely be dead so we don't get to see the apocalypse and how the world will change afterwards.

You guys are making some serious enemies, and I gotta say that I wouldn't have opposed it if someone wanted to bring your government down. I'm actually amazed you guys haven't done anything already as a people. I wouldn't even oppose it if people brought Norway down either for standing behind you cus this country, just like yours, is deep down in amoral violence and war from all the bullshit and enemies we've gathered throughout the years from needless power mongering crap. Y'all are no better than China at this point. We definitely are the bad guys in this story, like it or not. No reason shifting blame, just gotta do what we can do and stand up against this shit and do shit properly.

And apparently, all you can do is look on it and go "Yes, let's put this on a 500" screen in front of Mount Rushmoore. And if any of them did crazy shit too it'd only be in its right to destroy that shit in the same fashion the US, Norway and other countries related to this shitstorm destroyed countless of other monuments and historical places elsewhere yelling "Good job" through the upgraded walkie talkies in their billion $ fighter jets while your own people starve and freeze to death in low income areas. No wonder you give 0 shit about immigrants when you can't even take care of your own.

TL;DR: Your views suck almost as much as that corner store hooker looking for her next fentanyl fix, almost cus I ain't gonna go full on shitmode on people that can't help it due to a chemical dependency. They got an excuse for the shit they do and say, what's yours?

tl;dr

Yeah, answer is a faggot
Don’t bother with him
Worse than zelph, even

Umm don’t commit crime and you won’t have to worry about it?

Foh dirt fagit

It’s almost like people with minds can simultaneously care about multiple injustices at once
This dude is the dumbest they come
He’s like oh, sure women are getting raped but my street has potholes so fuck them

this is the dumbest shit ever

it's like you've been completely brainwashed to believe anyone that breaks the law is dirt and deserves whatever treatment is forced upon them. that's absolutely psychotic. not to mention all this despite knowing you have also broken the law

So you want to be able to commit your little crimes then do time in luxury? Lol yeah you’re fckin insane guy

are you a cop or something?

I mean imo this is awful close to election time to not have something to do with it. Js. But still man. Why cant all these people decide to band together in there own country and make a stand to better it instead of flooding america. If they have the balls to do that and there are obviously so many, since thats what has your feathers fluffed.. Then i would imagine that they could become really impactful in a positive way. They clearly have desire and motivation. Why keep dumping on americans and tax payers and instead do something to better your own fucking country. I mean any spanish folk ive ever known here hates america and talks so highly about there country... So do something to make it better. I mean is this just crazy or do i have a point at all? With that many people and the right cause and movements they could do some positive Shit on there own soil instead risking getting caught by immigration. Risking getting there kids put away and being seperated from them. Risking there lives even.. Why not put all that energy and big nuts bravery into something to change there own lands. Wtf. Im sure we can agree that this wouldnt be a bad idea huh? Not saying it would be easy. Not saying it would happen over night but im sure these people have the will to make good things happen there, if thats really why there running to the US. Tbh i could care less.either way in these threads. I mean everyone deservea a fair shot in life and it just doesnt go that way. But americans made this country what it is. Why cant they make there country what they want it to be. For fucks sake. America/ns would probably even show support for the right movement if it meant people wanting to stay in there own country and better it,. Imagine that

The power move would be helping to better a south america and being comrades, instead of people bailing on it all the time. I mean im just saying. Gotta start somewhere though. And flooding the boarders aint exactly whats gonna make shit better for anyone. Especially these detainees. Jail aint a pretty place and i dont wish it on no one. ive seen and heard some of the most violent shit in my life behind bars. Blood splashing like the symbiote suit. So yeah. I hope these people see the light of day soon and get there shit together. Real.talk. heart goes out to them. Its a sad state of affairs and anyone who denies that just isnt human.

'Im Cletus Kasady when i flip in the booth
The blood on my hands splashes, like the symbiote suit'

-Geno

Nah I ain’t no fuckin narc

the lion doesn't concern itself with the opinions of the sheep

sure?

im not sure what your point is, or what we are debating at this point. you claimed seeking asylum isn't illegal. i agreed with you. i pointed out that crossing the border illegally is. im sure you agree with that. so what are we doing here?

getting on the same page so when i make my point it's not clouded in misunderstanding?

the problem geno is the left welcomes and gives off the facade of america being a place with open arms that wants them to come. its not. they learn that at the border. all the politicians and people in government who talk of sanctuary cities and everything else have driven the numbers through the roof. they've given these people false hope so that they can use it to sway their emotional base.

america will always put american interests first however. whether its the big bad man trump or a pelosi or whoever from whatever side of the aisle.

the US exists to destabilize and control nations. the US run shit. its the way of the world. the US is ROME. venezuela is a shitty egypt. norway is a bumfuck farflung buffer province against the eastern barbarians. you think the senate gives a shit? fill the coffers. do their bidding plebs, they'll let you prosper and build nice roads.

the machine rolls on. until it doesn't

it will be replaced by another. its the way it goes.

you are all too old to believe in good in this world. grow up. worry about yourself, your family, and empty your balls regularly.

word we've been on the same page for a few posts now

make your point lol

Let’s go liberate em guys *eyeroll*

Spread awareness . Your best bet . Still will be ineffective . America baby .

I say that affectionately

Exactly,
And aren't the people in the border housing shit guilty of breaking the law as well?

And as for caring about multiple Injustices at once, that's obviously something that can and should be done, however, my point is that these prison conditions have been the exact same inhumane situations for many decades, it got thousands of times worse after bill and Hillary truth of sentencing bill....and yes people discuss it and talk about fixing the situation but only during election cycles and the legislation never gets pass the house floor....nobody really cares....the legislators in sc just passed a bill that will spend 9 million dollars to put nets around prisons to keep out contraband, spend 7 million dollars per year for the nextb10 years on cell phone jamming equipment to keep inmates off phones, however you spend 32 cent per day to feed a inmate...you have mandatory sentences for drug offenders..a drug addict getting 20 years for small amounts of drugs.....I dare anyone here to look into the violent murders that's happening inside south Carolina prisons....60 murders in 3 years...IN LITTLE ASS SC.....these systems are incredibly inadequate, however something will soon be done about the border housing because the media covers it...but long after that issue is rectified....our prison system will still have one officer per 500 inmates...inmates dying of malnutrition...inmates murdered...inmates family being extorted by the appeal systems...etc etc etc etc.....all because simple minded individuals like the clowns in this thread and the political assholes and media just brush it off by saying

Don't break the law


Smdh

trump signed the first step act into law

basically lessening alot of shit in relation to nonviolent drug offenses, shit with how they stack weapons possessions on top of it, helps them get out early on good behavior etc etc.

granted that doesn't fix the system, but i lean much more towards "just don't break the law" than i do make prisons a great place to be.

but i don't believe in prisons in the first place. if you committed a crime bad enough to be removed from society, you should be removed from society*. not locked away in the hopes of somehow becoming better.

if you committed a crime where some punishment is needed but not death, than there should be a rehabilitation process, but during which you should be heavily screened and if you reoffend you should be removed from society*.


*= hung from the neck until dead.

Everything Trump did was only for the federal level....state level wasn't effected

Where u did ur time

Lee County, Lieber and Kershaw

In sc

A lot of people ain't built for war or being violent, and most know that if they get involved friends and family is the ones taking the worst of it. Egypt just went through some serious shit some time ago but it takes a lot out of a country to get together and do something like that, and in many cases it's for nothing.

A lot of people have tried protesting only to get raided and killed. Under Milosevic my Albanian father was a political activist trying to better his own country, handing out flyers and all that jazz. During one of these peaceful protests where they were handing out flyers there was a raid, they showed up and just opened fire on them in the middle of the day. I don't know if anyone got killed as my father rarely talks about it, or wants to talk about it, but he got shot through the torso and survived.

He was then sent to a hospital and then back home for recovery as very few is stupid enough to run. He was supposed to recover there for 1 day before being sent to God knows what kind of prison and from there torture and anything regarding political activism would be figured out in one way or the other. He escaped and eventually got to Norway.

His father was royally pissed since the Serbs would come knock on the door multiple times of the day and keep checking throughout several months to see if he would come back. Not only was he pissed due to that but the fact that they very easily could have been taken in, or been injured/tortured or killed one by one to try to get him out of hiding, was a real threat. It was probably due to how pissed of my grandfather was that made them believe them that they had nothing to do with him running away, and you damn straight my grandfather would give him up in order to save his other brothers and sisters.

The shit the Serbs would do was rape random women and sometimes kill/torture random men on open streets as a means to show power. If my father had stayed they very likely could have raped his mother out on the streets in front of everyone to set an example. They killed a shitload just because they could, and to show "look what we can do, and you can't do shit about it." People with rocks vs a militarized and organized army that'd take anything to fight back away from you, or kill you for it, is not done with ease. In a lot of these areas they'll raid their own people, have agents everywhere posing as civilians and have informants, or force people to become informants, in order to keep the control.
It's tough fighting back or get enough together to join political raids in order to overthrow whoever is in power if you know for a fact that you'll most likely one day come home and see your entire family killed, unless you are killed yourself, in which case your family may still be killed to set an example. It's a huge emotional issue, and a lot are farmers or business men not really having the fighting spirit in them. They just want to live life, you know?

With help from the US to further keep that power in terms of finances and weapons it makes it even more impossible to fight back. I've lost a friend to ISIS myself, and I blame Norways, the US and other countries backing of what has been going on over there for it cus ISIS wouldn't exist without our involvement. I can go in depth on how they manage to recruit these people too, but in short they have the best manipulators in the world that has ever existed, and prey on youth that has no one and would fight for anything as long as they feel loved and taken care of.

It's easy to say "why can't they fight back" when you don't have to worry about hitting an IED on your way to work, or worry that your family and friends will be killed if you say anything bad about the government (or people taking power in your area) if you do. Just the rumor of you talking against it could get you killed. If it's really bad you also won't have internet, or any serious means of banding together before getting caught (or worse). Any form of trying to band together enough to take a stand can lead to mass killings in areas, and it will never be heard about cus right now some shit in Uganda gains more views. So, not only are you risking yourself in a country with no modern ways of communicating, but imagine if standing up for your beliefs and go against injustice could result in your block getting bombed so others won't do the same. Cus they don't care who is responsible and who isn't as long as they get their point across. And hey, China and/or Russia is backing them with weapons, training and soldiers as well to keep it going. Then suddenly China or whatever figured that what they did was wrong, so the destabilization and war mongering bullshit keeps happening and making areas, cities and towns too dangerous to live in. Your best bet is to run, and hope the world cares enough to do something so you can eventually move back and live like you were supposed to. It's pretty rare you meet people that have immigrated from a country due to war not wanting to go back at some point as long as it's safe to move back.

Gotta be tons of fun to run from shit like some of the stuff above only to be incarcerated and not even being a given a toothbrush or hygiene products to you even if it was donated by others.

If someone reads that feel free to add it to the book challenge thread

G shit nobody is reading that

I hear you. But obviously getting locked down with your kids aint the move either.

Very often you don't get to choose where the smugglers want to take you, you just gotta go and hope for the best. Sometimes you won't even know your destination, just an idea of where you may end up, either way you don't have a choice. You pay the fee and you pray they ain't ripping you off. Sometimes, you may need to go through one country to get to another so it's not much you can do if the US is the end goal for the human traffickers, and from there you gotta go to somewhere else. Just sucks that once you get to the US you're locked up in a different kind of Hell.

But thats what im saying. With a set of nuts to make that type of moves them people could move mountains be it they put effort into other shit. Making a decision like that and actually going with it is monstrous. I have a rather large set of testes and idk if i could do that shit even. Idk in that situation i probably could but you feel me, im sure.

I mean, people didn't do anything in Germany (easy to grow blind, just like it's easy to grow blind on what's going on in these detention centers right now. No one likes to admit what their country is doing, it's a tough pill to swallow), Palestine is having its own issues and I'm sure they've tried. It depends extremely on how well they manipulate people to think that what they're doing is for the best (Germany) or how well they got a hold (like Israel), Propoganda and shit is crazy, power overbearing. There's literally nothing you can do. When friends and/or neighbors die you kind of got to see the situation for what it is.

The hold terrorists got in Iraq etc. is wild. They need outside help from the US, Norway and Britain (probably a few other countries assisting as well) just to try and hold an election, certain areas the booths gets taken down and sometimes even with the help from the US etc. it's too dangerous to try and do anything with it. If militia isn't enough it's impossible for civilians to do anything as well since they'll just get killed.
Egypt is a different situation and already had a great hold with the Muslim Brotherhood already being tight and connected and some other side I don't remember the name of atm teaming up to make it happen. Now it's a power struggle between the two but don't take my word for it. I may be remembering all of this wrong since the last time I talked to someone from Egypt and read up on the issues. These consequences is in peoples minds as well, even if you run down the government it can be hard to tell what'll happen next or who may use the situation for their own good depending on location.

Imagine if you would have to storm your government. Let's say you actually managed to do it, defense systems and all that jazz is now in your hands. The political ties US once had is probably on the edge now, and you don't know what'll happen next in terms of that. Pretty sure that y'all being in a stressful situation would open up for retaliations from other nations you've had a feud with being opportunistic. You got to put all your faith in the fact that the ties you had with other nations will still be kept, you know?

I don't think it's easy to just jump on the wagon and say "ye, now's the time" when there's uncertainty surrounding it all. Enough people needs to be pissed off and realize there's nothing to lose in order to make a difference. With propaganda running rampant, internet being selective/controlled, surveillance and informants everywhere it's tough knowing where to start when most groups gets disbanded/disappears/gets killed once it starts to become a talking point.

A valid option is to flee and seek refuge wherever you can/is realistic to get to, and it doesn't matter where as long as it's safe. The US is probably not high on the list of places people want to go but it's very often a stop/only option since a lot of routes and cargo ships can port there. Easy money as the traffickers don't care what happens after, and corruption is pretty high in the US so it's easier to make it work. I mean, if this was you, why don't you just stay there with bullets wheezing past or bombs get dropped, and just "fight back" despite most of your friends and family being dead/missing or is already in serious danger and fighting (for them) is not an option?

Oh hell no

objective is all over the place

absolutely NO countries benefit from foreign interference, especially if the US is involved. if you can name one country in history whose people benefitted from outside involvement let me know

the only thing close to it would be a situation where one nation is being wrecked by another nation, and a third nation comes in and liberates them from their invaders. i can't think of a single instance in history where foreign involvement in civil or domestic strife/wars has benefitted the nation in need. it only makes things WAY worse

and you speak of propaganda while spewing the far left propaganda, trying to equate overfilled holding centers of illegal migrants to fucking nazi germany

get a grip man