on god mike, i respect u but u just not about this life

HMU when you seen your baby sister raped by illegals. then if u still feel all this SJW shit, ill respect you

you're right

but i have seen one personal experience breed generations of racism

so, i feel for u. im sorry for what u saw.

still don't mean my boy should get deported

like, yea deport every undocumented cat thats ever committed a serious violent crime

im with that

but that aint the objective

<3

its a complicated subject and im hella biased. there was a time i felt like you did

but then i seen niggas get shot by illegals. and i myself almost got popped when i was going to hook up with 3 norweigeian girls in Culver City. cuz some CxC13 illegal boys in my good part of town wanted to shoot me

i couldnt blame em yknow, i know niggas that put their guys on t shirts.



point is, GET OUT MY FUCKING COUNTRY

u not walking the block like i am. u not having illegals pulling guns on you while you freeze as they debate killing you or not. ya got no standing

at least yr open to hearing my side tho, ya know i love ya mike. im sorry if ... na im not, but i do love ya

like its just not worth it

man you never walked home from school, wanting to talk to some girl and then some mexicans roll up on you and almost kill you for no other reason than being black

thatll make you want a wall, thats for god damn sure. especially when you were lucky and your boy is dead

yea i get it. just 1 thing tho

my great uncle was killed by a couple black dudes in the 60s

i have family members that don't like you because of that

do you think thats reasonable?

Lies, this is somebody elses story. I dont buy it.

If its illegal they have to go. Plain and simple. Thats my stand point. I mean.. Same if the shoe was on the other foot and we invaded there country illegally. Took jobs. Sold there friends and familt our drugs. Killed raped and licked there womans assholes. I dont think they would be in a hurry to let us stay. And i wouldnt be surprised if they didnt build a wall themselves.

Anywho. Thats all. Broken law is broken law. Weather its a stolen candy bar. A parking ticket. Sellingdrugs. Committing murder. Or coming to our country illegally and trying to blend in like you aint do nothing wrong. And then pointing the finger at us? Nah... Someone should be held accountable. Same as any other criminal would be.

Ok done in here. Pz

"serious violent crime"

What do you consider a "serious" violent crime?

you are trying to draw the distinction of racism like immo is against the mexican nationality/hispanics as a whole. he's talking about illegals. people not supposed to be here in the first place

im assuming he means any violent crime. assault/rape/murder/robbery etc. but it puts aside the fact its a crime to cross the border illegally in the first place.

"undocumented" immigrants is a garbage term as well. there are plenty of "documented" illegals as well who have visas that run out and etc. the term is illegal, but again they will refuse to use it because they don't believe its a crime in the first place.

its just insane to me that the same people who want the government(taxpayers) to pay everyones way in life also wants to open the borders to the entirety of the world. math how does it work???

ive become friends with roughly 30-40 undocumented cats in my 3 years in cali so far

every single one of them has told me their story of how they got here

you wouldn't dare call them or their family criminals
so yeah, i dont believe its a crime to flee poverty and gang violence instead of waiting 10-20 years and dying in line just to appease your 'hey they say its a crime so its a CRIME' bullshit

yall never read 3 felonies a day? our law system is abhorrent

and most illegals ARE illegal from overstayed visas

border crossings are at a low


btw americans cross into mexico to use their cheap healthcare in mass numbers GENO. also trump administration isnt deporting just rapists and murderers they're deporting doctors that have been here for decades and 21 savage

if ICE was doing what they pretend they're doing i wouldnt have half the problem
also there's tens of thousands of children in detention camps since fucking april and some of those kids got sent back to the wrong fucking parents

we're literally committing crimes against humanity, children, to protect us from.... a record low border crossing

it aint about what they pretend its about

they "lost" 2,000 kids at LEAST

no, they want the already existing tax money to go to the people that need it, whether they're here legally or seeking asylum. illegals are not the majority of our government hand outs. hint; its white people

also most people on the left don't want open borders, that's wayyy far left. most people on the left just dont want a wall because its expensive and ineffective

why should a tax paying american have to shoulder the burden of another nations people?

the free everything people might be far left, but they also want open borders. thats who i'm talking about.

also my weed/coke dealer is a criminal. im not going to shed a tear if the DEA runs down on him, (it'd suck finding a new guy though lol) but he knew he was breaking the law. he wanted a better life and more money to lift himself out of poverty too. lmao. i'm a criminal when im in possession of drugs, im commiting a crime. thats not the issue at hand though, its the lack of recognition that they are criminals. its the pretending they haven't committed a crime.

1, what is the point of having that mindset like you dont know all wealthy people break the law constantly on a much larger scale and consistently get away with it? im baffled

2, "free everything" isn't a thing and what you mean to be describing is definitely not far left. medicare for all and tuition free public universities are supported by a majority of america and it is literally just a reallocation of tax money plus an increase mostly from the already set-for-life wealthy. like, by this logic we get "free" perpetual war & corporate welfare already and its 1,000x more expensive.

3, how much american tax money do you think goes to illegal immigrants/asylum seekers/legal immigrants(you need to specify that) and through what programs?

1. there is no point to it? i break the law myself. i don't concern myself with the wealthy or the poor. im just pointing out that they are breaking the law, they are criminals by the law of the land they seek to be apart of. you don't view it as a criminal act, but if they do something violent you do. you are the one drawing distinctions between actions. im simply stating they are criminals. not sure where the confusion lies there.

2. thats super far left. im sure there are polls backing what you say. but we all seen how well the polls did when trumpster bodied hillary. i'd personally love to have free healthcare and free college, but i aint for giving up anymore tax dollars for it. so if someone asked me if im for it, sure i'd be for it. if they could do it with the money they already have. if they have to raise taxes on anyone then i would be deadset against it.

3. if any amount goes it is far too much.

so again. why should an american taxpayer have to shoulder the burden of another nations people?

no idea what your point is then with the criminal talk. you're just.... pointing out that its illegal to be illegal? ok

and you're not specifying who or what tax money you're even talking about so im just going to run through them. if it's an illegal "undocumented" border crossing immigrant, then you don't shoulder the burden. if you're undocumented you don't receive benefits, by law. if you're talking about asylum seekers, they receive help via american tax money only under special circumstance ie escaping war zones or victims of violence and we do that because its the right thing to do and its what most developed countries do and most of your taxes already go to subsidizing walmart and murdering syrian children so hopefully we can agree on that being a higher priority of "far too much" tax money being spent on the wrong things and literally your taxes were never in contention for being raised to fund either of these programs you don't make nearly enough money.

I just wish ppl would come out and say that they dont like Mexicans and latinos that arent D.R or P.R.
Cuz thats pretty much what it boils down to.

-its not about "the law" or even "immigration"
Had it been... We'd be cracking down on Chinese immigration. You know... That country, we're in a trade war with? Who's citizens that buy real estate, at way above market price, forcing property values up, and are essentially the reason nobody can afford housing.

- most "illegals" are here for overstaying visas. Which i get is "illegal" but how does a wall stop ppl from coming over legally? It doesnt.

-crime/drugs? Lmao. Ur town is gonna be and was already shitty. Blaming Mexicans wont stop ppl in small towns from overdosing at higher rates than Chicago weekend shootings.

This is all to get yall worked up for election because "it was a campaign promise"

Yall niggas are weird

the illegal talk was mainly because its verbiage the leftist media and democrats refuse to use. they keep using undocumented immigrants. they are illegal immigrants. they ask things like are you for immigration? when they are referring to illegal immigration. its blatant. thats all.

as for the second part, stop it lol. they can leech on the welfare programs through their children, their kids get free public schooling, alot of states offer them lower tuitions for college, their strain on public health services etc. all for illegals. not just asylum seekers.

i get that you hate the wealthy and corporations. i get that you are for punishing them through taxes etc. i agree we frivolously spend money on things that don't benefit the american people, foreign wars and the like. but since we spend bad money in other places, doesn't justify to me spending bad money in places you feel are morally better. i'd rather we didn't spend the money at all, and the majority of it never leaves any americans checks. whether its finny or bezos

its a "campaign promise" because the people wanted it. thats what you are forgetting. if bernie sanders gets elected in 2020 (lmfao) and he was pushing for free college to get done, would it be seen as a shameless tactic at re-election, or would he simply be trying to deliver what he campaigned on? is that not the point?

how dare the chinese flood our economy with money by overpaying for real estate. lmao wtf?

anyone that doesn't "like mexicans" doesnt like dominicans cubans puerto ricans or any of them. cuz they're racist pieces of shit. thats not the issue.

i don't think the wall is the answer but i've seen countless shit of how it COULD pay for itself. when bush put up the fencing back in the early 2000's it hugely curtailed illegal immigration. if a "wall" stopped 10 percent of illegals in the next 5 years, at the current rate they're entering the country it would pay for itself.

but the issue isn't about the cost of it. we could pay for it twice, very literally with 1 WEEK, of the militaries budget

but since the media spun it as some racist EXPENSIVE nonsense endeavor that is just a campaign promise to make trump look good, yall are in here acting dumb about it.

Chinese do not put money back into the u.s economy. They send it home. And the money they spend on real estate hurts the average american who cant afford 1.7m for a house or 2.5k a month for for rent.

word i get it. on the same token tho if they buy if for 1.5 and an american wouldve bought it for 1.2 its like ehh. shits expensive all around.

their are tons of americans all looking at the same real estate in all these places. NY, LA, im sure even boston etc. supply and demand and all that good stuff.

i was looking around on realtor.com or one of those, at houses for sale around here as a goof. its amazing how far a million dollars goes here. fucking gigantic houses with indoor basketball courts, pools, ponds, gates/walls its crazyyyy. shit thats like 40 million in LA or the outskirts of NYC. but thats what never really computed with me because im legit retarded. i don't understand the appeal of major cities. cool to visit, but why anyone would actually live there makes no sense to me.

"they can leech on the welfare programs through their kids" what you mean is american children receive help whether their parents are from here or not. you should really look into the numbers, because it's not even close to what i can tell you assume it is. and it sounds like you think these people are purposely coming here for that objective as opposed to first fleeing poverty and gang violence and then surviving by any means necessary. which by the way, they use the welfare system much less than the white majority, so if you want less tax sponsored help then you should be welcoming more migrants and you should be harping on your neighbors to quit needing so much help. this difference in perspective about why they came here is the clear dividing line from left to right. but again, you should look at the numbers, because it's hardly a "strain" and i challenge you to back that up. and for an alternative answer to your "why should we help them" a pretty logical reason would be because we're responsible for the destabilization that caused them to migrate in the first place.

as far as being on the taxation is theft boat, until that movement literally does anything tangible to further their goal we are living in a society where the richest of us pay less taxes than the majority of the working class. so you're basically saying i know i'm getting crumbs and then i give some of those crumbs to the government despite not wanting to, but the guys sitting on an endless supply of loaves that you couldn't eat in 5 lifetimes don't have to give even a crumb to those same people and im ok with that because i wish thats how it was for me and everyone else. even though its not. even they're actually the ones that can afford to share some fuckin bread. this makes no sense to me

https://cis.org/Report/63-NonCitizen...lfare-Programs

63 percent of illegals use welfare programs. that "white majority" you speak of is a part of the 35 percent of legal citizens that use them by contrast. granted im sure that 35 percent is much more than the 63 percent, but they are ACTUALLY ENTITLED to it as US CITIZENS. i disagree with its existence altogether, but if its going to exist i'd like it to go to the people its meant to go to.

also we will never agree on your hard on for punishing the successful. the "richest of us" pay more in taxes in a year than the "majority of us" in a lifetime. i get there are ways to skirt the system and they take advantage of every opportunity, (claiming losses to not pay ANYTHING etc.) but it doesn't change the fact that they still end up paying enormous amounts during their lifetimes.

is it bill gates? one of them dudes giving away all his money when he dies. he should be free to do so. if you are rich you should be able to do with your money what YOU want. if thats leave it to your son, so he never has to work, so be it. eventually that money is going somewhere, and i'd much rather have a person who has a stake in the money deciding where it goes then our horrifically inept government.

i just don't believe in placing your hopes and well being in the governments hands. personal freedoms etc. all that good stuff

they aint american

they are exploiting a law in the constitution that was incorrectly interpreted by activist supreme court judges a couple decades ago. if you really think a bunch of racist white guys who owned slaves intended for foreign illegals to be born american if they sneak here and pop out a baby, you're fucking retarded

anchor babies should not be a thing. soon as it goes to the supreme court, these kids are outta here

and thats why im pissed at Trump, he aint even take it to the supreme court yet


p.s. name one other developed western nation that allows you to sneak over illegally and pop out a child, then that child is a citizen. you aint gonna say Canada that's for sure

hold up

Immo’s sister was raped in front of him on the hood of a car and he ain’t do nothing or am I reading this wrong?

wtf

Thats a cool.sentimwnt and all. But broken law is broken law. And immo still a fucking phony retard.

Just cause your boy didnt fuck someone up or sell no drugs dont mean hes supposed to be here anymore than the next person who is here illegally. ..

Thats like..
I walk into walmart. Steal a ipad. Get caught and get locked up and charges pressed..

But i go to Kmart steal a ipod. Get caught and they let me go cause the manager is cool like that ?????

I mean that just dont pan out. Broken law is broken law no matter who you are or where your at. What state. Etc whatever.


But ya. I know a lot of cool immigrants to. Does that change my view. Nah. Yhey not legal. No double standard man

I just wish this same energy was put towards ALL illegal immigrants. Not just the Hispanic ones or Muslim ones.

painful that i have to say this but slavery was legal and so was the holocaust. your logic means you would stand by and let that shit happen just because it wasn't criminal.

@immo there are over 30 countries that recognize birthright citizenship

@uh-oh i have no hard on for punishing the "successful". it'd be good for you to understand that the economy is set up for all new income growth to go to the top 1%, where 50 years ago half of it went to the working class. also, important for you to know that 60% of total wealth in america is inherited. i am just encouraging us to take a stand against corporations making billions of dollars stashing it abroad or having the resources to use unfair loopholes to get out of paying taxes while you and me would both go to jail in a second if we skipped on a $1,000 payment. it is truly more about consistency in enforcing the law especially to the people that can afford it the most than it is about "punishing" anyone

literally some of these companies are getting 100 million dollar refunds, after making hundreds of million dollars in profit. how that's not a problem to you when compared to 99% of americans is beyond me

btw that 63% is NONCITIZENS using at least ONE welfare program. so you know, this includes things as simple as discounted lunch prices.

also important to point out from YOUR article that you clearly read: "Of non-citizens in Census Bureau data, roughly half are in the country illegally." so cut your number in half if we're talking about illegals, then cut it at least in half again if we're talking about southern border crossing illegals.

https://www.nilc.org/issues/economic...igfedprograms/
"Overview of Immigrant Eligibility for Federal Programs"

"Categories of Immigrants: “Qualified” and “Not Qualified”
The 1996 welfare law created two categories of immigrants for benefits eligibility purposes: “qualified” and “not qualified.” Contrary to what these names suggest, the law excluded most people in both groups from eligibility for many benefits, with a few exceptions. The “qualified” immigrant category includes:

lawful permanent residents, or LPRs (people with green cards)
refugees, people granted asylum or withholding of deportation/removal, and conditional entrants
people granted parole by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for a period of at least one year
Cuban and Haitian entrants
certain abused immigrants, their children, and/or their parents
certain survivors of trafficking
All other immigrants, including undocumented immigrants, as well as many people who are lawfully present in the U.S., are considered “not qualified.”"

So if we're talking about the LAW, which you keep clinging to, undocumented people are not eligible.

Also, you have done nothing to show that the ones that do get it through their children have STRAINED any of us financially.

IF you want to talk about STRAINING us financially, you should re-consider your line about the billionaires of the world leaving their fortune to their children because it will eventually go somewhere. It won't. The billionaires of the world stash their money in accounts assets properties tax havens foundations etc. The money is literally just being kept from our working class economy. The more billionaires and ultra wealthy, the less money in circulation for the rest of us. THAT's the only ACTUAL strain.

tbc that 63% of noncitizens is 1.1% of the population
half of that is .055% of americans are illegal
if half of the illegals in america came in through the southern border that is .0275% of american's are the ones you're specifically talking about

there is no fucking way you can back up a claim that .0275% of america, who are getting minimal help to survive, that likely spend ALL of their non-bill money on commodities that stimulate the economy, are a BIGGER strain on the economy than the top .0275% of america that are multi millionaires and billionaires hoarding their money offshore and in places that will never circulate in americas middle class. they are literally vacuuming up the bulk of our wealth via direct exploitation of the labor that creates their wealth in the first place and taking it out of america. why are you defending that

i am defending freedom. lol. you brought up billionaires and all that other shit, i've been talking about illegals, you can minimize the numbers however you feel the need, im just sharing my opinion that if any of my tax dollars are going towards it, its too much. if any of my tax dollars go toward a bomb that is used to kill the people in yemen, i'm not for that either.

my whole stance is i don't fuck with the government, we need to give them less money. which is why i can't vibe with your world view. its great on the surface, if a man is only gonna spend 100 million in his life why does he need billions? plenty of others could use that. cool. so we're gonna trust the government to dole it out? stop it. i also am deadset against any death tax/inheritance tax etc. if i want to leave an heir something who the fuck are you or anyone who's not me, to say i can't? because tommy doesn't have shoes? fuck tommy. its MY MONEY.

its just about personal freedoms with me honestly. if you are charitable great, but having someone force you to be charitable under the threat of violence is absurdity

damn i vaguely remember posting about that.

na that's not my story tho. It's actually a story some girl told me. She was going to buy weed with her brother in south central LA, then the dudes robbed them and raped her on the hood of a car while holding her brother back with guns and shit

a lot of shit i say here is just shit i live with/around. or maybe im just saying that cuz this board is full of rats.

yea aight. BOP. i dont even know who you are fam

https://i.imgur.com/kRi6Gv1.jpg

i do have that same energy. actually, the majority of us do. at least amongst young trump supporters/conservatives

i like how you didnt list a single one of them because 90% of them dont meet the criteria i asked for, i.e. "Developed western nations"

i mean you already pointed out canada my guy

So immo sister wasn't raped ?

I'm bout to not come here anymore

@boof you legit talk like an NPC. im willing to elaborate and cite sources, you talk in the shortest vaguest sentences possible cuz u aint bout shit
@Ghost1 nigga my sister is like schrodinger's cat or w/e. she was raped and not raped at the same time, depending on if u look in the box or not/ leave anyway tho i hate how big this board is

lmao did i not just cite sources to uh-oh? idc about the birthright thing. i've been cornered into a conversation strictly about the law instead of morals which we should be talking about and you're talkin about changing the law to make more mexicans illegal sounds like u just dont like fuckin mexican people lmao and i get it from ur fake story or w/e the fuck but i can't be jumpin all around here

You make a valid point @boof.
Only this isnt the holocaust and our law isnt allowing the extermination of a people. Our law is trying to keep criminals. Murderers and drug dealers and people who in reality ..you wouldnt want to be your neighbor, out. So there is that. Granted your point being that there are certain casualties of war that should be excused and i get your views. So its hard to debate over the whole.morality of it all in those instances because clearly good people get hurt in this. But its like they say i guess.. You cant have an eggsalad withing cracking some eggs. Right? Idk

But carry on. Im not here to say your wrong or right. I simply added my 2 cents when i should have continued to watch.

i feel u i just want you to know they're also deporting a lot of good people without violent records because its not about the people u wouldnt want to live next to. and also there are tens of thousands of children who were taken from their parents at the border that have been in youth detention centers for the last up to 10 months, and some of these children are being abused, over drugged, given back to teh wrong parents, or just "lost". and on their 18th birthday, they get sent to an adult detention center where tons of reports of sexual abuse have gone unchecked, people have committed suicide, etc. just because they ran to the american border for asylum after american intervention in their country helped create widespread poverty and gang violence. so yea, our law is allowing that. and making billions of dollars off of it as well. again, i know plenty of people under threat of being deported and none of them are someone i wouldnt want to live next to. so thats where im coming from.

Ya. Its a lot of shit like this that goes on unfortunately. Have you ever been incarcerated for any period of time? I have.. I can tell you that type of shit doesnt just happen to migrants bro. But in any event. I think your fighting the good fight, for what its worth.

Edit..
And i say that even after stating i stand behind immigration laws. Shame you cant have it both ways. Problem is.. To make any real impact you really have to pick a stance and stick to it. I think yours is admirable. But no more or.less than someone who doesnt. I really dont have anymore to say about it. Its a cold.world though. Ive seen it from a few different angles and it can be hard enough without being migrant. So in all honesty i have no idea about the other side besides what i hear from news outlets and folks like you. Really my opinion means nothing.

i have and i hear u. but seeking asylum isn't illegal, and that's a substantial amount of the people in these detention centers.