[v]Why?[/v]

If your choice isn’t a choice, but more so a reflection of outside factors which effect your decision making, the outside factors being reflected seem to determine your decision, no? If not then you could say we have free will.

Oh, it's so much less grand than that. All I'd say is if you reset any decision you've made 100 times with the same conditions, you'd make the same decision every time... Which... Duh... But I'm looking at what that implies
I was thinking 'free-ish'. I've already alerted the nobel committee

But then you're getting into your perception of those outside factors, which is unique to you and shaped by who you already are. So those things happening I out of your control as is how you see them/grow from them

And your the self conscious fat red headed step child that got picked on everyday...

swing and a miss

Ok. I appreciate your patience, @Sharp. Here we go. I will try to be concise.


The answer to rectifying the fact that God is omniscient and all-knowing and yet we have free will is the deepest tenet of "Remember the Future."


THE ANSWER IS THIS HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. Try to think outside of the confines of your human mind.


Isaiah 46:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Ecclesiastes 3:15 King James Version (KJV)
15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.


To God, from his eternal perspective, he has already seen the end result of all of our free will choices, while also ensuring that his overall plan (i.e. His WORD) will come to pass. That is why the Bible is able to Prophecy the future as history, and it come to pass. Example:

Micah 5:2 King James Version (KJV)
2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

How could Micah a prophet know that Jesus would be born in Bethelem? How could Jesus have decided where he was going to be born? These are verrrry interesting questions, yes?

Finally, observe this:
1 Peter 1:19-20 19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: 20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Here is a man, Peter talking to his future (us in these last times) about Jesus who was foreordained BEFORE the foundation of the world.

I bring up all these scriptures to try and show you that God is outside of Time, so it is very possible for him to have already seen exactly what is going to happen because it has already happened to him.

final example: imagine I have dvr'd a game. You have not seen it. I have. I play it for you....I now know everything that the players are going to do, and who wins, but the players still chose every choice they made.

I pray you read this and meditate upon it, Sir.

everything happen(s)(ed) at once

time is a fallacy

In the higher dimensions yes. That is why what I said works.

God’s eternalness and him being outside of time is called Omni-temporality I believe. The example with the football players was good, but in this case you DVR’d the game before the players even played. Either way the players still have freewill. The most common response to this is that it’s a none-argument, because there’s know reason to believe knowledge=causation, which is what someone claims when they say free-will isn’t capatable with omniscience.

Understand the physical universe’s laws aren’t necessary, none-contingent facts.

@Sharp, I lost myself fam...Don't drink & text lol.

I was dvr-ing it AS they were playing. this is obvious.

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Mhm, well in your analogy, you found out what the players actions were after they made them, then knew the past before someone else did. In god’s case, he knew the future before it happened. The situations aren’t the same at all, but just because the analogies trash doesn’t mean you’re wrong.

So god essentially DVR’d and re-watched the game before it happened, thus why said that.

we need less from u

the more you are the less you are...the less we are

Im reading cs Lewis's Miracles rn and hes discussing the nature of the future dimension being realized in the present creation in a sense of Gods eternality ..... the kingdom of god being introduced by Christ thru super natural occurences in nature alluding to the resurrection and new Jerusalem that eliminates death by merging the dimension of heaven with our universe and introduces the destruction of time as we perceive it and the rigidity of nature as an inflexible creature. Remember the future.

@Destroyer - what are your thoughts?

Using my free will to not share them

Lolllllllllllll

This is one step away from the greatest truth imho Anthony. It will make the mind hit a brick wall.

“Your future self exists right now.”

Do I need to Elab or do you understand sir?

nah I can dig it.....now I need to lose my mind trying to understand consciousness and interdimensional existence. bless UP/

It screws the mind up for sure at first but then it fills the soul with purpose.

Your future eternal glorified self exists right now.

Keep meditating upon it. Rtf.

I hope you both stub your toes for eternity

hope u step on a lego block fagot

I hope you think about things, Jim.

i hope alderaan gets put back together

I appreciate you sharing. So God exists outside of time, we have free will, but from God's perspective everything has already happened so what we consider free choice is more based on our perspective on the passage of time?

I'm actually kind of saying that our choices aren't exactly 'ours' because we get to pick them, so much as that they're 'ours' because we are the result of a unique set of circumstances that in turn, can only really lead us to making one decision

Haven't actually postulated about God since thinking he was the thing parents hang over your head when you figure out santa isn't real so idk how much I can offer a discussion on your work

This sounds a lot like my atheistic semantics argument though

For us this is the first time it has happened. Even though it already has to God. It is hard to explain with human words.

Lol. Yeah those human words are so finite

Use zelph words

Man oh man, I sure am sick of these fucking human words. Gonna upgrade to 5G Martian y’all soon as I get the chance.

Nah but to me it seems you explained it well , idk about sharp but I’ve probably put more time into this than him so no judgement.

That is exactly the problem. You cannot separate the observer from the observed and that is what I am attempting to do with words. It is very difficult to achieve understanding of it because the mind is limited and runs into a brick wall.

mods close this

What does this mean? I instinctively do not want to.

bagga run on sentence my fav

the interdienejsnjaol of the resurrection of the planetary destruction of christ alluding to dingleberry instruction and reclusion of illusion with seclusion of sanctuary and anniversary of anna berry of letter fairies are interplanet.interdeimnseion biggerninception.

Seems pretty understandable though. I think the gravity of God's power is lost on me since I'm not a believer. Any thoughts on my little semantic gripe though?

THEN U FUCKA OUNCTUATE IT U LITTLE SON OF A BITCH BABY FAGOT FUCKIN HURL U INTO A VOLCANO FULL OF SHARKS OIWCE OF SHIT OUSSY

I try not to get too caught up in semantics tbh. I tel you what, give me a solid definition of your terms and we can go from there please. I do appreciate you.