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veritas 11-05-2018 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uh-oh (Post 713670)
do you think that because you have knowledge of a god figure, you've found signs where someone without knowledge of a god wouldn't find them?

I spoke about this in my book. Would you like me to Elab? If so I will when I get done with jitsu.

veritas 11-05-2018 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMS (Post 713669)
Veritas, can you answer my original question?

Yes. I will do my best to do so if you re state it in a way that I understand what you want me to answer sir

Destroyer 11-05-2018 08:31 PM

I’m gonna go with no on that one, V

DMS 11-05-2018 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by veritas (Post 713673)
Yes. I will do my best to do so if you re state it in a way that I understand what you want me to answer sir

Whilst watching two people debate whether god was real, someone said all basic logical truths, like 2+2=4, require an omnipotent being to set a standard. They didn’t elaborate so I can’t either. So basically he’s making the claim that, for truth to exist, which it must, god needs to exists, and there for god exists.

Can you confirm or deny if this has any logic behind it.

Destroyer 11-05-2018 09:23 PM

Why do those truths require an omnipotent being to set a standard?
Surely all you need is two people who agree on a standard as in your 2+2=4 example
We agree that 2+2=4, but it doesn’t mean 2+2=4 on some universal omnipotent scale

Destroyer 11-05-2018 09:26 PM

2 and 4 are just abstracts that we’ve given a value to, they’re not tangible. Like, it’s 4 to us because we have a number system that identifies that many of what we identify as objects as 4 of them.
An omnipotent being may look at all objects as 1, I mean who the fuck knows?
I fail to see the logic in this

veritas 11-05-2018 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DMS (Post 713675)
Whilst watching two people debate whether god was real, someone said all basic logical truths, like 2+2=4, require an omnipotent being to set a standard. They didn’t elaborate so I can’t either. So basically he’s making the claim that, for truth to exist, which it must, god needs to exists, and there for god exists.

Can you confirm or deny if this has any logic behind it.

Goedel incompleteness theorems

veritas 11-05-2018 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 713674)
I’m gonna go with no on that one, V

I have to log this in our records, sir.

Qualm 11-05-2018 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by veritas (Post 713671)
all these talks for almost the last decade we have had That God was not using me to speak to you and give you signs?

Irrespective of whether or not God exists, the level of egotism it would take to believe this is on a level that's borderline psychotic

veritas 11-06-2018 10:24 AM

Why?

Qualm 11-06-2018 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by veritas (Post 713750)
Why?

For starters, you just admitted that you've been failing at the purpose that you claim God has intended for you for almost 10 years. Seems pretty insulting to God's will that God couldn't have managed a more efficient way to get through to Destro, since you clearly don't have the capability to.

veritas 11-06-2018 01:18 PM

Ezekiel chapter 2

5 And they, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear, (for they are a rebellious house,) yet shall know that there hath been a prophet among them.

6 And thou, son of man, be not afraid of them, neither be afraid of their words, though briers and thorns be with thee, and thou dost dwell among scorpions: be not afraid of their words, nor be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house.

7 And thou shalt speak my words unto them, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear: for they are most rebellious.

King James Version (KJV)

veritas 11-06-2018 01:58 PM

who is Qualm an alias for?

Destroyer 11-06-2018 03:07 PM

I don’t know but he’s funny


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