You have some weird fucking taste. Kingdom Come was terrible, the laziest thing I've ever heard. American Gangster was much better.

Cause kingdom come was for grown men duke

get ready

I'm not saying jay perfect cause I think reasonable was phenomenal but it wasnt seamless like illmatic

And vol 2 and it was written are very comparable ... jay didn't kill it with vol 3 or the dynasty but nas really shit the bed with i am and nastradamus

Then we get into the newer school shit and both have been dropping more then quality records since even though nas double album was weak and stretched and jays American gangster was a set back to him as well everything has been more then up to par with their standards

But to say track by track kingdom come isn't amazing is crazy, jay was on point when he came out of retirement like jordan ... to me that's like saying kanye first album isn't classic or chronic 2001 isn't amazing

theyre equal to me

son said kingdom come was better than the black album cause "it's grown man music"

fuck out of here b

life is good > magna carta holy grail

jay been off since retiring and returning. AG was okay to me but son just so boring and corny. him, Em, etc just went from cool to just dropping subpar shit consistently. jay dickrides whoever hot anyways, which is why he worked w/ Hit-Boy, Mike Will, Travis Scott, all these niggas is up-&-coming ppl in my generation and growing producers/rappers etc. son can't spit anymore amazing Hov shit, he just a boring rapper now

My rankings of every Jay Z and Nas album (solo only, and yes, I own these and have heard them all 20-plus times through in order):

1. Illmatic: I put it second behind Reasonable Doubt in rap history.
2. The Black Album: The introspection and album unity puts this slightly above the rest of his catalogue.
3. Reasonable Doubt: If you took "Ain't No Nigga" off this album, it might move a spot up. But I can't stand that song.
4. The Blueprint: This is the most bumpable album and the last true classic on this list.
5. In My Lifetime, Vol. 1: The production is a little too shiny suit, but Jay is terrific.
6. The Lost Tapes: The album feel is missing because it's basically a compilation, but every single song goes hard.
7. American Gangster: People slept on this one. A few great songs are mixed with good ones.
8. God's Son: "Mastermind" and "Get Down" are two of the best songs Nas has put out in the past 15 years.
9. Stillmatic: I go back and forth on these two Nas albums because both have a few bad songs and a bunch of great ones.
10. Vol. 3... The Life and Times of S. Carter: It makes sense that this led into The Blueprint because it's similarly bumpable.
11. It Was Written:
12. The Blueprint 2: The Gift & The Curse: It's easy to hate on this, but if you put the 15 actual best cuts (instead of the highest profile, which they actually tried) on to an album, it'd be no worse than No. 6 on this list.
13. Hip Hop is Dead: Nas gets a little too grumpy on this, but it is his most consistent offering of the past decade.
14. Life is Good: Nas finally sounds like he's over any idea of blowing up, and though the album is a little uninspired, you can't fault the content.
15. Magna Carta Holy Grail: There are a few really good songs, but even on those, Jay Z is mostly milking it.
16. Untitled: The statement missed on this one, and the songs don't really work because of it. I appreciate the effort.
17. Vol. 2... Hard Knock Life: There are a few hidden gems, but this is such a product of the shiny-suit era.
18. Street's Disciple: There wasn't anywhere near enough material for a double album.
19. The Blueprint 3: The singles are about the only worthwhile part of the album, with a couple exceptions.
20. I Am...: We've reached the shitty portion of the show.
21. Kingdom Come: I really don't know what Frank Metts was talking about. I appreciate Jay's "grown man" rap, but this was just lazy. There's a reason every review was negative.
22. Nastradamus: This was a thing of awfulness, aside from "Project Windows," which I stand by as one of Nas' best songs.

i aint mad at that list^

i'd put RD above the black album, and the blueprint over the black album as well tho.

also you forgot one of jays most underrated albums. the dynasty

but you couldve put it in there and im just skimmin over it.

I left The Dynasty: Roc La Familia off because it's not really a solo album. It'd be almost like putting a Ruff Ryders album on DMX's list. The only difference is that Jay-Z was on almost every track.

And yeah, I like The Black Album more than most people.

Wtf?!?!?

Kimgdome come?!?

Gi to.sleep.frank.ur akive.


Better then black album!??!

Uve lived in pa too long. (Im in the burg hit a wigga up!)

Srs tho. Vol2zmzmmzmsnsjjakakak

Vol3 is way iller!

Jesus fuck.

Tje dynasty is.better then vol2......


Ok its not...but cmon....vol2. Stfu.

theres no way in fucking hell illmatic was better then reasonable doubt

vol 1 and 2 was better then nas's next 3 albums after illmatic

blueprint and the black album was better then stillmatic or any thing after that

shit roc la familia was better then most of nas's entire catalogue

not to mention nas still raps like its fucking 94 no one wants ot hear his weird , dictionary using ass fucking old text head rhymes

most rappers evolve , nas isnt and he just sells based on his name now and a bunch of underground nerd faggots who think nas is still relevant.


cam is better then nas aswell

Agreed

Idk maybe my brains processes shit different but from the prelude to the bonus track 44 fours ... kingdom come is seamless.... if I had to ditch a track it prob be beach chair but its not cause its horrible its because its placement in the track list

Black album is great too but its soo gutter then he drop change clothes as his first single ... sorry but that track is horrible now and it was horrible then

Black album has some of my favorite jay tracks ever ... luicfer and threats are amazing tracks but it has that big pimple on its face and its the day of the prom

I think next to 30 something and the song kingdom come I think black album has some stronger tracks but as a whole piece I love kindgdom come

Related topic


state property was better than dipset as a clique

I like cam n sht, don't like Jones at all tho

but bean freeway n bleek kill sht solo n group

and

the firm is n always b classic as well

State property albums ill ... I don't fuck with dipset much ... Santana real nice wjen he want to be and cam always hit or miss but the rest are fucking back ground actors. ..

And bleek solo shit is terrible duke ... bleek features on point bleek albums garbo ( except his first one ill give him credit for that ) ... I think I used 543 for a coaster till my tea started tasting bad from the stench of that vile creation

Beans is fuckinf raw beanie siegel is an amazing talent with no motivation anymore ... sad

Word beans is up there for me yo
So real imo

I love frees throw back rhyme scheme n flow

bleak is Def the weakest but his fets r dope af on the reg

cam n Santana r dope to me

rest garb

I hate Jim Jones lmfao

'ballin' smh

When I like cam I really like him but some times I can't tolerate him ... I think Santana the strongest out the bunch which isn't saying much

Bleek kill on features ... like I can't think of a bad feature he's had but his albums soo all over the place


Young gunz albums be real too ... those dudes didn't get a fair shake esp when roc broke up

Petey crack had potential but I think he changed his name and fell off not sure really

Lol young guns was like a 2000 version or Lord tarik n peter guns to me

Showed promise to amt to nothin
... DE ja vu

imo

when cam on the grimly tip he fire
when he just rhyming to rhyme talkin dumb it's garb

Santana quality for the most part that I can't feel my face cd w Wayne was legit imo

I like young gunz ... dudes was real

you shut your fucking whore mouth right now

i like you rawn

but just stfuuuuuu

DIPSET

lol sry uhoh

i said i like cam n santana

but beans n free all day

BEANIE SIEGEL IS A BOSS. FREEWAY IS A BOSS. bleeks aight. his only good song was "round here" and trick daddy was the best on it. SUP NIKA I SEE YOU DADE COUNTY

but yea state propertys body of work is complete asscheeks in comparison to just diplomatic immunity, not to mention the 5-10 years after that when they all did solo's and they had all them mixtapes and shit with 40 cal and jr writer hell rell and them

they put out wayyyyy to much fire.

beinie siegel and freeway is dope going back and forth. my favorite to do it. them and jada and styles. but they both shine on solo shit. beans from back then is dope. freeway from now is dope.

jr is quality for the most part

i 4got bout him

but i just vibe the fuck out to beans n free man

real sht

beans is thorough
n i love frees schemes...like u think u kno the rhyme coming, and he goes and flips it to something else smooth as fuck
bleek dope on every feature as we already discussed

i mean its like this cam n sant n sht have more music yes mos def
but
quality over quantity
beans n free i can listen to almost every track they make
cant say the same for cam n clique

State Property had Beanie Sigel, Freeway and Young Chris. Everyone else was boring or wack.

The Diplomats have Cam'Ron, Juelz Santana, Vado, J.R. Writer and Hell Rell. Jim Jones isn't good, but even Freekey Zekey and 40 Cal can pull their weight sometimes.

To go back to rankings that God of War probably will call me a backpacker for, I'm listing those guys:

1. Cam'Ron
2. Beanie Sigel
3. Juelz Santana
4. Vado
5. Freeway
6. J.R. Writer
7. Young Chris
8. Hell Rell
9. 40 Cal
10. Peedi Peedi
11. Neef Buck
12. Freekey Zekey
13. Jim Jones
14. Omillio Sparks
15. Oschino

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGJKuojMxOc

just different opinions. i agree with everything you have to say about beans and free. i love them dudes too. ROC had the whole shit smashed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5k08dUyd0g

but yo^

CLASSIC.

they all killed it. that whole album was MURDER. no skipping songs on that. no skipping on the diplomatic immunity cd. juelz cd where it had a star on the actual cd, no skipping. alot of the mixtapes only a couple songs get skipped, thats when cam started doing the computers puting shit. lol.

they got too much fire. quantity over quality, but your comparing an 8 ball of pure coke to a kilo. dipset just put too much out yo

COME ON HOME WITH ME.

WHERE THE BUSES DONT RUN
AND MY DOGS STRAIGHT BUSTIN THEY GUNS
THINK GETTING CAUGHT BY JUSTICE IS FUN
KEEP A BLADE UP IN THEY GUMS, THIS HARLEM
WHERE THE FUCK IS YOU FROM

i never liked hell rell n vado n them all that much

few good tracks here n there but

majority was meh

but ill say this...i lost the album but i rmbr SDE or w/e getting heavy rotation, same w diplo imunity n cant feel my face as well

and

that champions remake w beans n cam kanye n twista is still fire to me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wD8kchHYDw

Purple Haze still gets played on the regular.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK0kWCzUjkI

Jesus Christ, this argument will go on until the end of time.

Does it really matter who's better?....just listen to who you like and let other people do so too and stfu everybody before I stab you all.

i think we all can agree Dame Dash is a fuckin character lol

dood cracks me up tbh

lol yall rmbr him in the state prop movie

n bleak was a shooter, i kinda feel that irl he that dood too...

IT MATTERS. ThIS IS HIP HOP. GAME GOT REAL.

nah he was probably just a grimey young dirtball who jay took under his wing. he was mad young when jay was already taking care of him. but who knows he coulda been a stick up kid. i guess NY in them places like marcy a group of 12 year olds will get you

but word man, i fuck with hell rell heavily. thats from my like 16-19 year old phase where i was fighting all the time and being reckless. his shit and alot of that diplomats shit fit the mold perfect

when i get the urge i'll make a proper dipset appreciation thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIXSkMcZQj0

^You fucked up.

But I appreciate the sentiment...I would reply though by saying it really does not matter because the alien invaders don't like hip hop and probably will kill all rappers.

I don't recall evr calling anyone a backpacker, that is niks thing

i just call people faggots


but beanie sigel is better then nas

lmao@bleak being a shooter irl

Gow he that dood I'm telling u

i dont agree with that at all he would had to of been the dude at like 11 cuz he been signed forever thats like saying lil wayne a g when he been a label mate making money that way since he was 8 rofl

jay said bleak was a little hustler selling niks n dimes around his building n shit

Lil Wayne is a victim of Baby doin the @TYSON

I unno I see bleek being that dood tho

g dep was that dood

would u have thought that?

yes completely

g dep had ddues who vouched for him

only dude to ver vouch for bleak was jay who said he sold nicks n dimes cuz he was a kid out there lol

Vouch lmfao

that fool snitched on himself

walking round in a tin foil hat

sleeping on Park benches

gone off that sherm

But I fux w that cd tho... Had some dope tracks if I rmbr right

I love dipset too they were big for me growin up but cam usually was on some abc shit.. I liked 40 cal, hell rell & Jr writer