Fair assessment. Now let me read through Clout's discertation to see what his counters were. lol.

So what happens when two technical boxers fight each other, and neither is KO'd? Do both win?

Your post is dumb as cheese.

There are just so many intangibles and variables, beyond skills and talent, that nobody can truly predict the outcome of a fight.

@Clout - I agree with most of what you said but you are basically co-signing my argument of DW not being a technical fighter lol. Regardless of weight, DW hardly threw ANY punches and was gassed by round 4, lol.

"He needs to learn how this and that" - exactly my point. He's not a good technical boxer. He's a slugger and a sloppy one at that. Just look at every KO how aggressive he is and opens himself up.

It goes to the judges you dumb fuck. And the MORE technical fighter WINS.

stick to soccer bro.

Why do you think Canelo was able to draw GGG. BECAUSE he's more of a technical fighter and knows what points to go after to sway judges.

Well, Iron Mike once famously answered that question by saying, "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the [muthafuckin] mouth”.

LOL I know way more about boxing than you

bet your life on that

Mike Tyson was a phenomenal fighter man. Drugs and Don King ruined him.

FOH...

You probably have never trained a day in your life dude... Get real.

Only mother fuckers who can even engage with me in regards to boxing is @Clout and @big baby they know their shit... And train, at least I know Clout does... Don't know about big baby but think he's trained at some point or a Google wizard .

Styles make fights. Wilder is everything wrong for joshua. Let me explain

Watch a recent joshua fight (dilian whyte, Takam, Klitchko)

He tires super super fast to the point he is bound to collapse. This is because

1. Just watch his stance, hes constantly tense like he's trying to get all his muscles to pop up veiny for cameras like a photo shoot. If your that tense at all times you will tire fucking FAST!

2. The way he punches isn't correct tbh, Some of his shots are done with perfect form. But from his high guard stance? he is tense and pushes his shots like he is doing a single arm dumbell speed benchpress ya know what i mean? If you can visual that as you watch him jab or throw his straight right. Its very pushy less snappy. its like he is front deltoid/pec dominant. Where as most snap it from the feet/waist/shoulder rotation as one fluid movement. Ur using ur bodies kinetic motion to generate velocity/torque. Power (Deontay) vs Strength (Joshua) Power is fast and explosive. Strength is a slow progressing brute force type of movement. You can clear see it just watching how they throw shots.

3. Joshua has just too much mass on his frame which tires him out. It requires alot of calories (energy) to sustain that. Plus the high punch out put and constant movement (cardio) of a boxing match is bad for muscle bound guys.

4. Joshua is technically sound? oh fuck yea but super slow/fatigues easially. Wilder is Super fast and Herky jerky like. He has quick hand speed and godlike punching power. Joshua will look like Danny Garcia at times when he was fighting Keith thurman. Just hesitating and waiting as Wilder Got off and only throw a few shots here an there.

5. Wilder is super agile, doesn't tire as easialy as AJ. he has plenty of fights above 7 rounds where he is clearly not tired. Ortiz really gave him a fucking dog fight thats why he was tired. He has Snappy shots and yes he does have clubbing thudding shots too. But he snaps his jab beautifully and when he throws his right hand straight down the pipe? its a dream. Joshua isn't good at cutting the ring off. Wilder utilizes every inch of the ring he is a mover for sure. At times over does it..

6. AJ is gun shy that is the biggest downfall b/c he is chinny not amir khan chinny but yea he is honestly chinny...speed can be countered by AJs impeccable timing. He has great power but its more of a strong man/weightlifting power. It doesn't carry into late rounds in tough fights. Where wilders is just raw uncut god given athletic punching power. He is always capable of knocking you at any point an time. AJ needs to have his lungs about him before he can really thud his power around.

6. Joshua even tho i love the guy is super chinny. He has been knocked out like 4 times as an amateur once by Dillian whyte. Who he beat as a pro! Ko'd twice confirmed by David price by joshuas own admission in sparring. I believe he was ko'd by Klitchko as was wilder in sparring. But joshua has been visibly on the cusp of being ko'd a few times as a pro. Where it took an esteemed cuban southpaw of great boxing prowess and good punching power to do that to deontay!

7. Deontay CARRIES HIS POWER FROM ROUND1 TO ROUND 12! Joshua isn't able to do that. But then again joshua doesn't need to because why netcee-gs? THE NIGGA CAN BOX - GOLD MEDALIST SWAG YO. he can box your ears off or get you out of there.

This match is 50/50 due to joshuas RING IQ/Skill Set & Wilders athleticism & super hero punch power. But joshua has terrible stamina doesn't carry his power late into rounds like wilder can. Isn't fast of foot or hand like wilder is. But he can time wilder and counter him early and KO him. BAsically the longer the fight goes on the more wilder is likely to win. Joshua is more dangerous round 1-5 rounds. After that Wilder is at an advantage. Cus is power is always there & his speed is always there. Joshua has looked rough in his last 3 matches damn near collapsing and letting his hands drop due to fatigue.

Facts. I sit around and watch his old fights all the time.

Ur tyson comment is truly 100% correct. Tyson was no longer iron mic prime tyson after D'mato died. The buster douglas fight? tyson didn't even have a six pack he was chubby and drug tests say he had weed & cocaine in him after the fight. He was no longer in his prime he was drugged up and surrounded by YES MEN as they call it.

HAd Cus'dmato been 30 years younger. I think Tyson legacy would've been something unheard of. From Muhamad ali's own mouth he said tyson in his prime would've beaten him. That speaks volumes, but like tyson fury - Mike was his own worst enemy. He beat himself before his opponents beat him cus of the life style choices he was making!

Fury would take both of them apart.

Well, you're basically saying everything I'm too lazy to type right now, and doing it in a much more knowledgeable (and researched) way than I would normally put it. Can't really disagree with any of the above.

Tyson's downfall was leaving the Catskills and going under Don Kings promotions lol.
@ACTIVATE SELF - so do I man... A fucking phenom in the ring man. I watched every Tyson fight aired on TV as a kid... I was so upset the 1st time he got KO'D....

I have no doubt Wilder would be happy to take that match. Fury just sent shots his way via post fight reaction.

Don King is the greatest champ in the history of Boxing. Look at all the legends he beat the fuck out. Dude's like 1000-0.

He's a cancer and a terrible person. When I lived in manhatten he lived 2 blocks up from me in mid-town. I would always see him... He was so rude to people who were tying to snap a picture with him... Hate that fuck lol....

Fury doesn't have the power to keep iron mike of prime years off him. Fury would do that jab and head jerk back & leave him self open for tysons true power ....HIS LEFT HAND & that immense body shot combo. As a orthodox stance fighter you use your left hand more since its infront so u use your right hand less over the course of a fight. Everyone who knows of tyson knows of his famous body,body, head combo(Teddy atlas/ Cus d'amato broadcasted it).

His Head movement and hand/foot speed was terrific + his power was on deontays level BUT.. IN EITHER HAND!!!. Fury Wasn't fast enough to side step iron mic from jabbing his way inside. Mike is left handed thats why his vicious body shots were unmatched. He was able to hit you with his strong hand to the softest part of your ribs. Left hand is a clear shot at your liver too which hurts like motherfucker!

Remeber Tysojn fury is chinny too he got dropped by a soft pillow fisted HW. Imagine if deontay wilder or ANY VERSION OF MIKE TYSON landed that kind of shot....

Deontay only wins b/c Fury is basically the same height so pulling his head straight back after pawing his left jab to create distance to avoid incoming shots WILL NOT WORK. IT WILL LEAVE HIM IN PERFECT POSITION TO EAT DEONTAYS RIGHT HAND FLUSH ON THE NOSE.

Fury defense isn't great. He just moves his head alot and pulls straight back while kind of using his left jab to stiff arm you from following through to hit him. Watch the Wlad klit fight. Deontay is so much faster than fury. Fury won't be able to dance around Wilder while trying to negate that Jab and right hand.

Im telling you Fury is open for alot of shots cus he like wilder keeps his hands down but he is so much taller than every one (6'9) he gets away with it. But deontay is 6'7 with an 83 inch reach. So fury will be forced to bend at the waist like james toney to duck under shots and then eat and overhand short straight right hand like wilder did to spilka or that nasty uppercut like ortiz ate from wilder.

Fury has bad defense he compensates by moving and pushing you away. He has no power to keep deontary from windmilling haha. Sorry man I can see tyson fury beating deontay but i see deontay ko'ing him. If it goes to the cards fury wins but i doubt it would.

Wilder doesn't want that match bro, I honestly think fury would embarrass him.

I will say, dude was smart as hell and got so rich off of fighters like Tyson. A true shame.

Fury fat fuck self wouldn't do shit. He's a troll.

I was more talking Joshua n wilder. I appreciate the breakdown but I just think fury's boxing brain, head movement and ability to dictate the fight trumps anything ice seen from wilder.

Fury is unorthodox and sly but Deontay wilder is just a hard counter in my eyes. They both have things that make them dangeorus to eachother.

But Fury has no legit defense besides fighting tall & dancing. He pulls his head straight back out of habit of being much taller than everyone. But Once he faces deontay he will get ko'd instantly once he gets timed after 2 rounds of doing that lil trick. Cus deontary is only 2 inches shorter and has a 83 inch reach. He will clip fury on the chin and fury has been dropped ill say for the 8th time by a soft fisted HW. Imagine when one of the hardest punches in fighting history not just boxing history hits you square n flush on the whiskers.....


anyone care to answer? go head Clout'll w8

Fury trash.

Billy joe Saunders vs Charlo....GO

Well yea i did cosign that remeber i have a post saying deontay SUCKS AT "BOXING' AKA THE SWEET SCIENCE lol oh yea your spot on the money man.

Its his athleticism/power that make him what he is.

I like fury think highly of him, i respect ya alot for your honestly. I dont see AJ beating Fury well a in shape Klitchko winning fury. Joshua is just to sluggish & robotic at times. He will dance around joshua. Where as he isn't fast enough or agile enough to get away with that defensive maneuver vs Deontay. Deontay is NBA quality athleticism as in agility and speed idk how good his dribbling ect is.

Mayweathers white grandfather

Nicolino Locche
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj-bLfsQSFQ

Shoulder roll & slipping for days

Feel like klitschko woulda beat joshua if he was 10 years younger...took him 11 rounds in that fight...

wilder would beat joshua on pure athleticism power and reach joshua's nice but he's not loose enough imo

go back a page or two i really break it down and agree 100% with everything you said.

amen you're yet to post a video of your footwork and until then you're a fat self-hating blatino who cant discuss boxing with any semblance of seriousness.

i was, however, serious about fury (motivated and in-shape) being the best heavyweight right now. the fact he's looked down upon ties in exactly to what i was saying about the trouble he's had in his career with boxing licenses and national representation because he's the fucking gypsy king. and he says some real shit so he's further vilified by the media, thus shaping general disdain toward him.

if you're telling me deontay throw-from-the-hip wilder will sleep most men he hits on the chin, i won't argue. i feel like fury would still box him up for 12. most of his shit performances have come when he doesn't train with hughie.

locche was an aesthetically gorgeous boxer, a defensive genius ahead of his years and one of the more underrated south americans along with the likes of alexis arguello et al. but money probably owes more to the likes of the old mongoose archie moore for the lineage of the philly shell, same way foreman's mummy stance succeeded his trainer sandy saddler.

klitschko/joshua was a helluva fight though, right?

anyway fury the greatest right now, fuck what you heard.

Haha I like you abd Willy pep was the man too. he was shoulder rolling in the black and white era. Sugar ray Robinson was a personal fav of mine. I do like fury he and Billy Joe Saunders fight alot alike it's that traveller upbringing. Bjs is a phenomenon at south paw. What he did to David lemiuex eeewww baby.

Fury is his own worst enemy as I said before. He gets in his own way.

Klitchko vs joshua was awesome man I loved it I do believe had klitchko been in his youth he would've won tho. But same could be said for ortiz vs wilder In all fairness.

perhaps fittingly, there isn't that much footage on old will o' the wisp, the man people described as a ghost on the canvas, and that's a shame. he was slick, no doubt.

billy joe is definitely a talent right now, too.

Really wish Demetrius booboo andrade wasn't ducked as much as he is. He is a talent too, sad he hasn't gotten the big fights yet.

@Eng

So how exactly does Fury beat wilder though? Especially, when it's safe to assume that he is no more skilled a boxer as the Cuban is. Whom from a techical standpoint is probably the most overall skilled and effectient active fighter discussed in this thread today. That ALSO just so happens to punch as devastatingly hard as the rest of the names mentioned. This is just a question asked out of curiosity.

because fury isn't a boxer with tremendous fundamentals, he has that je ne sais quoi. i'm not saying he'd definitely win, just that i think he would and might bet on him to that end. fury on his A-game is a hard man to best.

ortiz is pushing 40, too, considering the metric you just used.

boxing is fucked tbh with you, with the way things are run.

i do enjoy the odd fight and studying looks from fighters though, and the history of the sport has always been storied.

The thing is we could all have well thought out thesis's that list strong focal points but anything can happen in that ring. Fury inshape is hard for anyone mate. But there are certain things the top 3 hws can do that make eachother able to win against the other.

I feel bad for the people who paid to see GGG vs Canelo. Aidlade Byrd needs to be banned

You're right about Ortiz's age playing a factor in his most recent defeat. Still though the "x-factor" like attribute you're giving to Fury could also easily be applied in Wilder's defense. They are both anomalies and unconventional fighters in their own right. Personally, I'd love to see them go heads up. I got Wilder for the win, but I wouldn't be surprised if it ended differently.

Lol

Care to expound on why?

That's an honor sir.