bro corporations run the government i hope to god you at least know that

so giving corporations more money, is just going to go in the pockets of the ceo's that are already the richest in the history of the world, and to more lobbying, to write more laws to help corporations get more money. they are giving you crumbs to shut up and not pay attention to the gross income inequality that is going to continue skyrocketing.

you think the government getting more money is bad but the corporations getting more money is good

in both scenarios we get no real money increase. our wages are not going up. the national average income in america has been 33k for 20 fuckin years. the minimum wage has been stagnant. yet corporations are raking in filthy money and you are happy about that because at least its not going to the government except it is literally going to the politicians that write the laws to write the laws in favor of corporations.

do you get that part?

4 grand a year is crumbs bro. that is what these ceo's make literally in a half hour. how do you not see the big picture

you are defending the ability to make billions of dollars as somebody who needs at least 3 years to make 1/10,000th of that despite working full time

u mite as well of dropped a mars rover cuz thats gonna fly over so many heads..

this is why we fight the corporations by sellin heroin to their suburban kids until their teenage daughters are strung out and prostitutin.. fuck up their whole lineage.

i completely see what you are saying, and i'm not missing anything. its just a difference of opinion. i take responsibility for my life, and don't put blame elsewhere. not saying you do. just stating my outlook. there is no point in me being mad at another man who won. 5 years ago i was bad off as it gets, without being on heroin. faced with homelessness, in ridiculous debt, an out of shape high school dropout with no prospects.

i was able to grab a part time gig sanding cars and cleaning a body shop for 10 an hour, now i'm the paintline manager/bodyman making 50k a year and next month our small business is finally offering healthcare through them instead of a stipend and getting a 401k program. i basically turned this shop from turning 700k a year in business, treading water, to 1.5

should i be mad the owner of the franchise went from paying himself 40, to now almost 200k? should i be mad the ceo of the company that sold him a franchise is clocking millions? when they both sit in offices playing solitarie all day? while im making sure work gets done and out the door, or should i be grateful for the opportunity i was given?

i like the idea of capitolism. i like it in practice as well. the owner of this franchise did things right, he stayed in school, got a degree in programming back when computers weren't shit, he made a bunch of money and got out to start his own business because he liked working on cars. he employs people now and we all make good money

if you remove the incentive to work hard, i would never work hard. but working hard got me living stupid cushy

punishing corporations helps no one. if maaco's bottom line is hurt it trickles down to the common workers at every franchise

i also don't believe in the minimum wage. people are victims if they let themselves be. i let myself be a victim for half of my adult life before i accepted responsibility and manned up. but im a goofy free market capitolist

we both have these idealistic views, neither of which have been proven to be perfect in practice, we just see the world different. you're for some overarching equality, im for earning that "equality". when your in the pit you feel like the world is against you, until you realize the only person truly against you, is you.

bootstraps and all that nonsense

There is no such thing as free market capitalism in America lol

America is the most protectionist nanny state in the world

It's not a free market when the corporations can fail in the market and then be funded by the government w taxpayers dollars to survive.

Boof is a bit of an extremist but you're too small minded

I don't think you're dumb in any way but you think on too small of a scale.....yea fine things are OK for u....but they could be better....for all of us.

wow i guys r smart

Im not saying it exists, its the system id like to see, like booth would like to see a socialist utopia.

Things could always be better, im not sure what your getting at there. Is it an actual possibility, or just an ideal tho. Know what im saying.

its too late for legitimate free market capitalism to be employed at this stage short of the economy collapsing

as far as things could be better and your riddle about idealism....yea idk lol. theyre not good now tho I suppose was mostly my point.

Things are good.

Also no new system could be implemented overnight without destroying the system we are under. I just advocate for moving towards the free market as opposed to moving towards complete government control

Its not a ridiculous concept. Just minimal government, let business flourish and keep the greedy politicians out of it.

Yadda yadda

bro where are you getting this idea that business hasn't been flourishing for the last 4 decades? corporations are richer than theyve ever been ever. they are handing politicians money left and right. and that is how they will always work. because of the tax cut, koch brothers saved 1.4 billion dollars, they gave paul ryan 500,000 dollars. they are just sucking each others dicks. 83% of the tax cuts go to the top 1%. why do you make believe government and corporations are so different? it's a revolving door

wages have been stagnant for 4 decades despite continued growth in productivity and profit margins how the fuck is that GOOD

how can we be so naive to our own exploitation, its gross. just because your life was trash and now its minimally better that does not mean you have it good. you have it good in the mindframe of a pawn. this is beyond disheartening

Small/mid sized business owners got a good little tax break. I can testify to that

First off FRAT


2nd, u obv don't know what ur talking about

uh-oh its strange to me that you label the politicians as greedy ones and not the businesses. like jeff bezos just made 2 billion in one day and his employees are on food stamps yet he will willingly hand millions of dollars to politicians, and thats not a problem of greed?

my only problem with these scenarios is the influencing of politicians monetarily. lobbying is horseshit. im basically anti government.

i have 0 problem with anyone making 2 billion in a day. jeff bezos made an amazing company that i make use of all the time. the government shouldn't punish him for living out the american dream. he BUILT the company from scratch, selling books online back in 1994 and now ships porkroll from new jersey to my door, and literally anything i ever want to buy. in 2 days.

i view the politicians as greedy scumbags because they don't do ANYTHING. they are leeches that live off of others. people who start businesses actually employ people, and have to run their business lol.

its not that difficult to comprehend. but you're probably in favor of the death tax and all that shit too. you would rather jeff bezos fortune go to the government than to his descendants. thats insane to me.

i just have a complete distrust in government. i hate our foreign policy and basically everything our government does. i don't look at tax breaks as a way we're getting screwed over because i don't want a government that is involved in our lives in the first place. giant tax breaks for corporations are fine by my because that is those corporations money in the first place. YOU aren't being robbed. the government just isn't robbing AS MUCH from them.

but word its just different outlooks. i want a hands off governance, you want a hands on one.

no bro. i would rather jeff bezos fortune go to his employees so they don't live off food stamps while simultaneously providing the labor that enables jeff bezos to make 2 billion in a day. you realize our tax money goes to paying for his employees food stamps because he's too greedy to pay them a living wage. he is using the government to pay his employees with our tax money so he doesn't have to. how can you put him in a less leechy catergory? i don't think you understand how profit margins become so outrageous. it is always at the hands of corporate subsidies and wage robbery. our discrepancy is not about hands off hands on governing, it's a discrepancy of what we believe workers are worth. and it is a sad thing to try to convince a lower class man about the worth of his peers.

agreed

i believe a worker is worth what he works for.

I'm sorry but if you're an employer making billions and your employees are on food stamps, you're a scum bag.

Walmart prime example.

Facts.

This is why union jobs suck. Because they pay equally and not based of work ethic. I've watched lazy mother fuckers make more money then those whom surround him and bust their ass...

And the reason he's the higher paid is based of his "Seniority" - which is fucked.

And employee is only worth what he's worked for. And that is true as fuck.

bro the amount a worker works for is 100% dependent upon their ability to bargain and hopefully you realize worker leverage has been systematically destroyed over the last century right? step out of your time, think of history. are slaves worth nothing? are sweat shop workers truly worth 50 cents a day? were coal miners in the early 1900's worth pennies? no. they're all being exploited. you're taking key factors out of the equation. it's great to think you're responsible for your own worth and all but it is super child-like to realistically think there aren't dozens of other factors at work.

it also completely disregards things like being well connected because of family ties, inheritance, and every perk of being born into a upper middle class and upper class life. you are basically chalking up worth to the dollar amount that you are paid but you could literally be paid that amount because somebody likes you, because somebody is your dad, because somebody has a political agenda, etc. you're basically admitting our value in this system has nothing to do with hard work, yet that is what you chalk up the acceptance of someone like jeff bezos making 2 billion in a day, while ignoring how much exploitation is involved in reaching that type of income. your logic is inconsistent af

how can you say its true as fuck and then give a literal example of it not being true and pretend it's the only example? lmao

unions are literally the KEY to bargaining as a worker and its decline is why we don't have leverage overall as the working class. you fucks are shooting yourselves in the foot with talk like this

i cannot believe we are pretending we haven't all had bosses that do fuck all and get paid way more than the bottom level laborers that do all of the work

you guys are idiots for real, pull your head out of your asses

I'm at the executive level, bro.

I am what you refer to as "Bosses" LOL... I see what goes on around me as well as on the floor with the laborers...

this vegan fagit givin yah that work right now tho

no labor union


BARZ

do you have bosses that do less than you?
do you have employees below you that do more than you?

have you ever?

and amen i swear to god if you just put down unions and then end up being an executive level boss in a union i am going to explode

this line literally doesnt even make fucking sense. you can only work for what somebody dictates you are worth. so we are admitting an employee is only worth what somebody else allows them to work for. which is the whole fucking problem you goons

I've never known any company to have unions for management.

Not sure where you live, but here only unions for laborers and state jobs like law enforcement and medical.

I wish tho that I could find some books from a good republican analyst though it seems most of the literature im able to get is more left leaning...or atleast the most intelligent and believable works anyways.

any suggestions?

But yes, upper executlive levels do a lot less then those underneath.

It's called delegation.

"A Great Manager never has to do a thing with a good team surrounding him"

If a manager has to work then there is no need for those laborers now is there?

You are thinking to deep in to the shit bro. Some managers worked to get where they are and most busted their ass for over 20 plus years with a company and PUT IN THAT WORK to get where they are. Granted some are hired in to the position based on level of education and experience but not all. Internal growth is more common then not...

My check for tomorrow is FAT!

listen man the point is there is only one management position. so regardless how hard the majority-bottom level employees work, there is only one higher paying position to gun for if internal growth is even real for that company. so if we are only worth what we work for, and there is only one position worth more, than the vast majority is quite literally stuck being worth whatever the bottom level is appointed. meaning no matter what(unless you are the minority that receives a promotion) our worth is dictated by whatever the system says bottom level employees can be paid. which proves that the majority have no say in what we are worth, which proves we are working for what the system tells us we are worth.

when i said a worker is worth what he works for, i meant it very literally. if you work for 10 dollars an hour, you are worth 10 dollars an hour. you are putting that value on yourself for showing up, working and collecting that check. if that is the only job available to you, and you think you are worth more, you take the necessary steps to earn more. whether its within that company by moving up the ladder, or if there is no growth available there, you stack your money and look for a company that has upward mobility. you can keep that job and go back to school if you want to do something else, and you can work towards what you believe you are worth

you don't live outside of your means, you don't have kids you can't afford to raise, and you don't depend on the generosity of others. you take responsibility for yourself, and get it together. you don't get the luxury of saying well i worked 9-5 at mcdonalds, so now that im home im gonna just fuck off cuz i got work tomorrow. if thats what you do, than that is all you are worth. when you got a day off you could relax and unwind, or you could handle your business

no one wants to do it, but thats life

i think the minimum wage is retarded and shouldn't exist. we are on complete opposite spectrums. if i own a business and i want to hire people for 5 dollars an hour, and im getting applicants, who is the government to tell me i have to pay them more? if they're willing to do it, thats on them.

but again we're talking what we'd ideally like things to be.

as far as working for people who do no work, yea thats shitty, if its like a manager type position for instance, if the people he is managing don't hit the goals, its on HIM. if he owns the business, he is the one assuming the risk of operating a business, so he has that luxury, and if he isn't hiring people willing to work, he's out of business.

its just simple shit really.

ideally itd be great if money fell from the sky and every woman i came across blew me

but the world dont work like that.

murica

People complain and don’t want to work hard. I started out making like $11 an hour at my job and 4 years late I’m making $24. In four more years I’ll be making $56 or so. And for the record I took a RISK. Left a job making $18 because I saw an opportunity for my future in another company.

Stop worrying about what the ‘bosses’ get and worry about your damn self. Play the game. Bickering with your hoe ass co workers about having to work instead of just working and making the lives of people that can put you on the come up better. You’re pussy ass co worker can’t get you a raise dawg.

This threads explains why you got so many homeless.

Well they raising minimum wage to $15.00. Up to $12.50 now i only used to get pay 9.50 working those shit jobs

Well they raising minimum wage to $15.00/an hour here its up to $12.50/ an hour currently. I used to get paid $9.50 for those shit jobs.

itt uhoh doesnt understand systematic oppression and why it's wrong to pay someone an unlivable wage even if they'll accept it because they literally have no other choice

hey why not bring back slavery and indentured servants

as long as the dude who owns them is willing to lend them out whats the big deal hannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn?

suicide is always a choice

or i dont know.

maybe take that shit job that people who are well off deem unlivable. live with roommates. get food from churches. save your money and move to where there is jobs, or out of a place where the cost of living is retarded?

oh but nah thats too much work, right? lets just let them live off the backs of those who did the work to get themselves out of it, and hey maybe some of them didnt have to work that hard because their parents did so they didnt have to. lets punish their parents hard work and just let everyone live swell

gee golly willikers what was i thinking

seriously though diode

you were a bum like i was. you did magnificent. i did good. we were both afforded opportunities in life, you played your hand much better than i did. we both know some people have even shittier hands then us, which leads to much less opportunities for them to make good on their hand.

thats the only level of oppression there is. the opportunities you have to make good. but every american has opportunity. no one is forced to do anything.

you did what you had to do to create a better life for yourself, and now your kid will have a better life than you did.

why is that a bad thing?

neither one of us ever faced what a minority in this country faces, especially black and hispanic ones. i'm sorry you can't seem to understand that.

it's not a bad thing that i've been successful. but i know if i'd had the wrong color skin i would absolutely not have had some of the opportunities i did.

period.

you don't believe in a social safety net. you don't value any life that isn't your own or associated with your own well-being / happiness. you've made that clear a thousand times over.. so this sarcastic nonsense is pointless.

what happens when the churches don't have food to give? how do you save money when any bill exceeds your maximum ability to earn? you don't understand the general concept of systemic oppression and i don't have any means of making you see it. hell, all i can even do is sympathize - i will never know what it's like to be poor and black/hispanic/gay/trans/etc. in this country, but i can see just how badly we treat everyone who isn't straight and white and know it's wrong.

you can't. so be it.