(in which a logical person refuses to engage a moron and the moron declares victory)

He wants to share his views without doing shit like this, so yeah it's more approachable. Your wife must love when you're gone on business.

Before I respond to this, what is your political alignment? Who are you supporting in this race and why?

I mean like your underlying reasoning

I totally agree that this online argument won't get shit done but I'm still tryna figure out what exactly you believe and why in a non-judgmental way

As of now I'm seeing Libertarian and apparently not socialist? But calling socialism fairy tales doesn't really do much for a discussion bro

Oh word to the fb thing. Its shady but i doubt theyll prove anything. Same with all the other shit. I mean george bush stole the actual election in florida, not just a party nominee, so thinking theyll pin her for any of that is nonsense. Sad to say but true. I mean she is literally red handed admittedly guilty of a felony and no one cares as is.

Everything im reading says she has 2200 delegates and bernie has 1400 also

Super delegates don't vote until July

The ego is strong itt.

Anyone who can't see that modern American politics is a work is a fool.

Bring on ww3.

They've already overwhelming pledged their votes to Hillary though and when you factor in their support, Hillary is demolishing Sanders. Of course they can change their vote but there is absolutely no reason to expect them to, considering Hillary is already in the lead with regular delegates. Bear in mind that this is the exact same strategy Obama used to defeat Hillary 8 years ago, I hate being the bringer of bad news but Sanders is already done and this is why the media (even liberal media) reports it this way.

At this point Sanders staying in the race does nothing but help Trump. Besides the obvious way, in that Sanders is attacking Hillary, but isn't going to win the nomination, the idea is that Hillary has to "go more left" for the Sanders voters - who are going to vote for Hillary already. If she actually goes more left, she risks losing voters that are in the middle. And considering she is saying things like she wants a cabinet that's at least 50% female now, Sanders has the potential to do a lot of damage here.

? i'm not sure what your point is, as you said, they switched to obama in july as well, and bernie is ahead of the pace obama was as far as pledged delegates, and states won. so them switching is still very possible. i really could care less what the media has to say, liberal or not, the majority of reports haven't been trustworthy at any point in this race, and mostly patronizing towards the entire sanders following.

sanders supporters aren't going to vote for hillary, and if he doesn't win the nomination, with the understanding that he has had 65-70% of the independent vote, which is 48% of eligible voters in america, and he has won every open primary, there's no reason to not write him in in november as well.

Again, the chances of super delegates switching to the Bern are unlikely. Besides winning with the count of regular delegates and already pledging they will vote for her, the odds of them going from Hillary, a life long member of the democrat party, to Bernie, a life long independent who just recently started running under their name, is highly unlikely. I guess anything is possible, but Sanders would have better luck hoping she gets indicted for that e-mail scandal.

Most of them aren't actually voters.

Any divide or shift in the parties has to come from the top, not the people. We've seen this through 230 years of this two-party system.

dear socialists: who is going to pay for it?

that number was me estimating the final tally of votes he receives, he's at 8something now

but word
@veritas pay for what?

Free schooling, Free healthcare, free anything that the socialists promise, Boof

Well....that looks good on paper. In response to hurting the rich and corporate profits...how do you think they will respond?

My point was that a huge chunk of Bernie Sanders' support has come from people who have not regularly voted in the past. The Barack Obama voting base heavily favors Hillary Clinton.

@veritas if we're referring to the corporations already stashing all of their tax money abroad, we're obviously not going to lose money by enforcing stricter tax policies. they can either pack up and move their company to tax havens like puerto rico or ireland or wherever, like pfizer is doing, which means they'll no longer be robbing the middle class, or they can pay their fair share, and if the ladder rings true, then the people in charge of those companies can either cut jobs or cut their own ridiculous wages. now if this trend started by a handful of companies to lower ceo wages and raise bottom level employee wages continues, then things can move upwards. but if these tax dodgers all decide to leave then it's whatever. they're awful companies anyways, and we can continue to let renewable energy companies and the proposed infrastructure jobs replace any loss the economy or workforce takes.

you think the dnc is cool with losing millions of brand new democrats to a 3rd party that could legitimately disrupt their shot in the general election ?

so, like, you don't think they would just increase their prices to still make the same (or more!) profit?

Also...are we all equal?

Taxation is theft

I'll try to cover some things today if I get a chance @Sharp

Edit: but yes I'm a libertarian. Extreme one. Borderline anarchist. In an ideal world I'd be a left libertarian but people are unfortunately awful for the most part. It's why I believe socialism and communism are fairytales

I never said "cool with." The Democrats have major issues to answer. They simply are in a better position than the Republicans because they actually seem to want to admit their flaws. There's a reason Hillary Clinton has very obviously shifted left during this primary.

this seriously depends on what companies you're talking about

if it's pharmaceutical, we're trying to regulate those prices anyways since we already pay 50x more than those same companies charge in other countries.

but regardless if they can legally make their profit back then there's nothing wrong with that, we're just trying to get the tax money that they owe to put towards things that are beneficial to the majority of the country.

bernie wants to:

-end a rule allowing American corporations to defer paying federal income taxes on profits of offshore subsidiaries.

-prevent corporations from avoiding U.S. taxes by claiming to be a foreign company through the establishment of a post office box in a tax-haven country

-eliminate tax breaks for big oil, gas, and coal companies.
stop American companies from avoiding U.S. taxes through corporate inversions.

-close loopholes that allow U.S. corporations to artificially inflate or accelerate foreign tax credits

implementing these effectively saves $100 billion a year, minimum



are we all equal? what are you trying to bait me into, ask what you mean

And how is he going to accomplish that boof?

If he gets into office (despite being the best option, he won't ) the most he is going to do is pass maybeeee one bill that kind of somewhat helps for a month before those corporations find a new way to hide their money

is it possible that just one of these "corporations" either directly or indirectly funded the Bern's campaign? Also...if you were a corporation and you needed to legally make more profit, what would you do?

Forget what I said about the equal thing. But that in the back of your mind. Depending on how indoctrinated you are to the agenda we may not make it that far.

@Knucklehead if you're referring to congress not letting him get these things done, we know that we have to vote new members of congress in. we know 88% of congress is up for re-election, and we know if we show up and vote like we are for bernie, we can give him the supporting cast he needs, hopefully. new loopholes will not be easy to find with a guy this passionate about this specific issue. he's been talking about it on the floor of congressional meetings for 25 years. given the chance to change it, i know he'll fight tooth & nail, and that's all i can ask in a president.
@veritas one of these corporations that he's shone the spotlight on for dodging taxes? funding his campaign? no. go look at his donors. the only companies involved that have been known to dodge taxes is apple and amazon, but the only donations came from individuals, not their PAC, and both of those companies have agreed to pay their taxes as of october 15'

& to the second question, corporations aren't people. but obviously there's only three ways, make a cheaper product, raise your prices, or cut jobs.

yea booth i enjoy your VIGOR and hopefullness, its whats kept bernie going this long, i just don't see it happening.

not the him getting stuff done thing, because none of them are gonna get a 10th of what they want done, done, but him coming anywhere near the presidency

also i completely disagree with everything you are with in regards to bernie

i think closing loopholes and shit is good, but not raising taxes and everything else on corporations. i like having a job.

i'm part of the uneducated white male workforce which is what is under fire and affected by all these things. i'm one of the lucky ones who has a solid steady job. but countless others dont. and closing down the only corporations that give us jobs and thinking we'll just go into infrastructure and renewable shit is nonsense. espescially when you consider the fact most of that will be union, its next to impossible to get into unions unless you know people, then you gotta pay exorbitant dues for the right to work etc, and the rest are city/government related jobs which are the death of america

we need less government booth. more freedom.

so like i said im with closing loopholes, but that in itself will be disasterous enough on employers creating jobs.

and im sure diode or one of you self proclaimed economists will come in and state how making it easy on corporations and business owners doesnt actually help create jobs but just shut up.

i'm in the rust belt. i've watched the jobs leave. ive spent the years searching for a job with nothing but subway and mcdonalds there to give you something when 40 years ago i couldve got into timken steel, republic steel, etc. good paying jobs for the uneducated.

thats disappeared because its impossible for a corporation to make money so they have to move over seas.

i don't know the answer but lets just chill on taxing and creating more ways for the government to misuse that tax money. lets just cut government spending maybe? and let the free market do what it does.

So...those individuals have NO interest in preserving the status quo? doth they wish to cut off their noses to spite their face?

Nextly: Corporations are made up of people, and are considered a person in the eyes of the legal system, friend. which leads to my grand point: IF Bernie does do these things which harm the corporations profits (whether righteously earned or not) and they do one of those 3 things to keep their profits.....does that not end up hurting the very people he said he is trying to help?


Boof, Socialism is the economic arm of communism...and I hate to sound cliche, but it only looks good on paper. That is why cubans escape cuba to come to america, and not vice versa.

can we agree on this point?

lol @ talking about fairytales and still spouting the same old tired trickle down economics and reagan era corporate welfare plans

i haven't caught up on the rest of this thread but this is drunken uncle facebook thread level shenanigans.

what a gross misunderstanding of what the (still awful, ridiculous) citizens united ruling means. i can't even.

LOL diode thinks he's smart hahaha lmaoooo

Any Jackass with an annoying loud demeanor can do PHONE SALES guess that doesn't mean they know jack shit LOLOL

You have an agenda. So you are blind to the truth and facts and common sense.

http://maverickvoice.com/wp-content/...-Socialism.jpg

i think you are confusing me with destro.

yeah probably. Nevermind then.

her death was a top 5 celebration all time up there with nancy.

what a vapid cunt. ask anyone from england.

also, i'll just leave this here. the america you want to "make great again" had a much higher effective corporate tax rate.

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/mikep...4-1200x606.jpg

here's another fun one from when ronnie raygun came along.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...me_Earners.jpg

hmmm. what's wrong with this chart?

lol....dead at that graph. allow that to factor in what the taxes are actually going to. etc etc etc

hint: pay attention to the date ranges. maybe think about what happened that led to the great depression. and the bush recession.

hmmm.

Common sense.

the democrats caused the housing bubble to burst bro. just saying.