U could've said that about em after his first 3................

he white tho

LOL fair

Me Against the World is completely unlike everything else 2Pac did, though.

Sometimes I don't know if rappers really fell off or if we just got used to them.

By which I mean, their music is the same quality it always was but it just doesn't seem like it cuz it isn't new anymore. Which in it's own is the artists fault as well, but idk, does this make sense?

And sometimes they def just fall the fuck off.

Wat ur sayin makes sense......but give an example of sum1

The Roots are a good example of that. They've been so good for so long that each new Roots album doesn't get talked about nearly enough. I know I slept on ...And Then You Shoot Your Cousin.

But mostly, I think what happens is we realize that the initial hype was too strong. Take Big K.R.I.T. He's a very good rapper. Everyone knows this. I enjoy everything he drops to some degree. But the initial hype was that he was the best young rapper coming up. That was too much. He hasn't fallen off, but he was never really worth the hype he started with.

Big krit is a strong example. Word.

Then why is all bigs post mortem material superior

I just prefer listening to Biggie. I've tried to break everything down. 2Pac's inconsistency is obvious but understandable since he recorded four times as much material. But even on their best tracks, I like Biggie more. That might be my New York bias. That might be my preference for skill rather than content. But I like listening to Biggie more.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm not sure what everyone else suggested but if it wasn't "Me Against The World" something is wrong with them.

so u think biggie duets album & born again are better then pacs until the end of time & better dayz & loyal to the game albums?

All i know is it is 2016 and pac/biggie threads are still a thing.

I am surprised to see people going with pac though. Im usually alone on that.

Pac>

He's not talented. His good songs are mostly thanks to production

When he tried to be deep and intelligent he came off as an idiot

Loyal to the game was fire
The other 2 PAC joints trash and most of them songs was off the makaveli maxi tapes from when PAC was live

Duets and born again fire tho

I mean really.

Dude. Really? I have no problem with you not liking him, but not talented at all?

I can't understand that opinion.

@Witty, I can't speak for @Knucklehead, but I don't think 2Pac was on the same level of technical skill as Notorious B.I.G. He didn't mix up his flow and annunciation as well, and his lyricism wasn't as clever or interesting. 2Pac was all about what he was saying. Biggie was all about how he said it.

Oh I realise he was nowhere close to being the best technical rapper, and that is what I enjoy most. But he was brave, he was audacious, he spoke on social issues in a way everyone could understand and he was a very good story teller. He understood how to communicate with an audience better than most, so to say he had no talent is a very confusing opinion to me.

congrats, ur off to being the worst poster in 2016 so far.

fat people like Biggie, and shredded people with occasionally effeminate mannerisms like Pac.

*extremely Biggie voice*

"Ungh."

you're toeing the line here.


the real question: who is worse, the Outlawz or Junior Mafia?

Junior Mafia probably was worse. But 2Pac put the Outlawz on way more and more important tracks. Imagine how great "Hail Mary" and "Me Against the World" would have been as solo tracks? Those would be the two best songs he ever recorded, except the Outlawz suck.

Does having sex with men count as effeminate?

Cuz I...uhhh...I don't do that.

forreal, they straight up ruined classic songs. I remember buying this album in middle school out of blind Tupac fandom. I was so cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za5cG...xIRb-MNDuP_FcB

Outlawz did ruin all sorts of tracks. Kadafi had flashes rip and eveything but really pac would have been wise to just make the songs shorter.

Outlawz lol. For shame.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkIeYU3cpe0

I wish outlawz were the outsidaz lol

This.

Argument over

Pac has too much work to compare with someone who only put out 2 projects

both artists never got heavy rotation from me.

Having heard your tracks, I'm not surprised.

Let me guess: You're a big fan of B.o.B.

nope

Lol yes not agreeing with some people is terrible posting

Post one line by pac that is ground breaking and truly thoughtful not just talking about a social issue incorrectly with simple words for the phlebs

His beats 7 times out of 10 were boring and lame and his flow was just mediocre

I'm not saying he's the worst. He's talented in the sense any half decent rapper now is. But that's all he is. Ok. Some good some bad. Nothing spectacular.

The poetry thing always got me. Yes, 2Pac wrote poetry. It mostly was very bad poetry.

But the best 2Pac songs are pretty great. And he had some strong lines. "My only fear of death is reincarnation."

Brenda's got a baby spoke on a very important and relevant social issue, and did it very well.

And anyone who uses simple words is fine by me. And I know lots of big words.

It's about communication, not complication.

I think Pac was more expansive than biggie, more creative from an artistic and expressive standpoint. Was he a better rapper? No.

2Pac did the opposite. He used far too many big words with poor context. A lot of times, it was for the same reason shitty topical writers do — because -tion words rhyme easily. He loved alliteration, the shittiest of writing devices to lean on.

Pac's poetry is mostly wack tbc, but his poetic sensibilities transfer well into his music. Off the top, I can't think of any musician in or out of rap music that engages me intellectually. I listen to Tupac for the artistry, craft and the broad sense of humanity he was able to communicate. I wrote a (shitty) verse about it in the AOWL, but my first CD I owned was Strictly 4 My N.I.G.G.A.S., and it made a teenaged white kid from a small beach town felt like he had a connection with something larger and completely different demographically (basically, I felt like one of his N.I.G.G.A.S.)

I love Biggie, and the older I got, the more I got into NY hip hop in general, since it is by far more literary in its writing and sound and I'm a nerd like that. But no other rapper, and hardly any musical acts period, hit me like Pac did and does. I could get college-thesis about why his music is (at times) genuinely good art, but I think it betrays the reason why most of his fans love his music; I prefer Pac cuz he gives me the feels.