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Knux 11-15-2015 06:12 PM

a skilled hitter sounds fuckin retarded

Knux 11-15-2015 06:14 PM

my hitta my hitta

Destroyer 11-15-2015 06:19 PM

I'm a skilled hitter, I'll swill liquor & kill quicker
then I'll fuckin bill Strikta for pills prescribed to Ill-Nik-A

Knux 11-15-2015 06:21 PM

that was off the richter

ill nik-A 11-15-2015 07:29 PM

Richter is a faggot

That line 1/10

Destroyer 11-15-2015 07:47 PM

10/4

Fart 11-15-2015 07:50 PM

At least 2 more rematches will happen.

Wavy Crockett 11-15-2015 08:40 PM

Holm tested positive for a dick & balls after the fight

Chill Phil 11-15-2015 08:51 PM

smokin' spliffs 'til i don't exist

oats 11-16-2015 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Useless (Post 551339)
Ronda is not a wrestler. She doesn't shoot for takedowns. She get em thru the the clinch. And she couldn't take down holly when they clinched. Which is surprising. And she couldn't clinch like she wanted cuz holly kept putting that left hand in her face and keeping her distance.

@quaker oats

this is basically correct. Rousey's striking has been grossly overrated recently. her offensive boxing is actually pretty solid (she used a nifty trick to catch Holm with a left hook at the end of the first round), but her defensive boxing has always been terrible. She's been too willing to eat punches in the past, but it's paid off cuz she clinches and tears people up. Holm defended against the hip tosses as good as you possibly can. more so than stiffarming and throwing short elbows (which she also did), her elbow was constantly tucked and digging into Rousey's hips. It really was perfect. Rousey was a few seconds away from cinching that armbar, too, but Holm scrambled to her feet well.

Ultimately, I think Rousey finally met her athletic equal, and Holm was way better prepared. It was obvious that once Rousey got flustered, she had no plan B and didn't/couldn't make adjustments.

Holm fought perfectly, though. Her striking has NEVER been as accurate as it was against Rousey, in the entirety of her MMA career. Perfect performance against what really was an arrogant, unprepared fighter. Shit was crazy. Check out my column on Monday morning for more hot takes on the fight ;)

jilti 11-16-2015 09:51 AM

If Ronda incorporated head and shoulder faints instead of leading with her face, it coulda been interesting. But in all reality Ronda lacks a kicking game which is vital against a world class boxer because leg kicks and teeps disrupt a strikers stance and enables their effectiveness

oats 11-16-2015 11:57 AM

I don't think she needs much of a kickboxing arsenal, and I doubt she'll ever move in that direction. More likely, I think she will/should take a BJ Penn approach of MMA-tailored boxing, focused on feints and head movement behind a stiff jab. She'll also learn to be a bit more patient with her aggression; the bullrush shit worked against lesser athletes, but as competition improves, it'll be effective against fewer opponents.

Diode 11-16-2015 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quaker oats (Post 551600)
I don't think she needs much of a kickboxing arsenal, and I doubt she'll ever move in that direction. More likely, I think she will/should take a BJ Penn approach of MMA-tailored boxing, focused on feints and head movement behind a stiff jab. She'll also learn to be a bit more patient with her aggression; the bullrush shit worked against lesser athletes, but as competition improves, it'll be effective against fewer opponents.

http://www.mmamania.com/2015/11/16/9...iking-game-mma

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO LLLLLLLLLLLL

oats 11-16-2015 12:02 PM

lol I saw that, what a joke man. dude is terrible. you hear his advice during the fight? after getting lit up in round one: "beautiful, Ronda." when she was eating straight lefts: "Discipline!" like, he may not know ANYTHING about coaching.

btw:
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles...-UFC-193-95767

Diode 11-16-2015 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quaker oats (Post 551605)
lol I saw that, what a joke man. dude is terrible. you hear his advice during the fight? after getting lit up in round one: "beautiful, Ronda." when she was eating straight lefts: "Discipline!" like, he may not know ANYTHING about coaching.

btw:
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles...-UFC-193-95767

yasssss

momma rousey was right

Geno 11-16-2015 12:33 PM

Smh

Every dog has its day. Poor bitch

Useless 11-16-2015 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quaker oats (Post 551605)
lol I saw that, what a joke man. dude is terrible. you hear his advice during the fight? after getting lit up in round one: "beautiful, Ronda." when she was eating straight lefts: "Discipline!" like, he may not know ANYTHING about coaching.

btw:
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles...-UFC-193-95767

Good article.

I hit the 'interesting' button

Diode 11-16-2015 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quaker oats (Post 551605)
lol I saw that, what a joke man. dude is terrible. you hear his advice during the fight? after getting lit up in round one: "beautiful, Ronda." when she was eating straight lefts: "Discipline!" like, he may not know ANYTHING about coaching.

btw:
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles...-UFC-193-95767

surprised you didn't mention the original upset heard 'round the mma world

matt hughes v. royce

Useless 11-16-2015 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diode (Post 551620)
surprised you didn't mention the original upset heard 'round the mma world

matt hughes v. royce

Only way that woulda been an upset is if Royce won

Diode 11-16-2015 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Useless (Post 551622)
Only way that woulda been an upset is if Royce won

On paper Royce obviously had no shot as an aging, semi-retired fighter with a limited skillset compared to modern MMA.

However, the media hype machine and the casuals were all over his dick. Much like any smart knew Rousey would get clowned the first time she tried to bang with an actual striker, the media and public at large were caught up with Royce-mania.

Upset on the books? No way.

Upset to the public? Absolutely.

oats 11-16-2015 01:17 PM

That was an upset like Brock losing to Cain was an "upset."

Useless 11-16-2015 01:21 PM

I'll be upset if Royce and ken actually fight again. Surely one of em will pull out due to injury


@quaker oats who u think won gsp vs Hendricks?

Lawler vs Hendricks 1/2?






Oh and btw, ur blog is terrible.

ill nik-A 11-16-2015 02:41 PM

Hendricks all day

Robbed twice

jilti 11-16-2015 04:39 PM

.

jilti 11-16-2015 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quaker oats (Post 551600)
I don't think she needs much of a kickboxing arsenal, and I doubt she'll ever move in that direction. More likely, I think she will/should take a BJ Penn approach of MMA-tailored boxing, focused on feints and head movement behind a stiff jab. She'll also learn to be a bit more patient with her aggression; the bullrush shit worked against lesser athletes, but as competition improves, it'll be effective against fewer opponents.

She doesnt need an all around kickboxing arsenal, just leg kicks would make a world of difference from a game plan perspective. It would force ronda to be more patient using the wear your opponent down approach. If you noticed Holly was more counter punching than anything because of the take down threat, she wasnt really eager to throw hands. That would makes it easier for Ronda to land leg kicks. Dont know your background in striking but when you take leg kicks over the course of a round, you can no longer step fully into your punches or kicks

Useless 11-16-2015 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ill nik-A (Post 551638)
Hendricks all day

Robbed twice

this explains a lot.

Fart 11-16-2015 05:22 PM

I find it hilarious absolutely no one thought Holm had a shot until after the upset.

Diode 11-16-2015 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fart (Post 551677)
I find it hilarious absolutely no one thought Holm had a shot until after the upset.

holm looked tentative and rigid in her ufc fights prior to this.

she put on a fucking clinic for rousey though.

ill nik-A 11-16-2015 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Useless (Post 551674)
this explains a lot.

You're useless

Inno 11-16-2015 05:47 PM

Lmao

oats 11-17-2015 01:33 AM

when I watched it live, I thought Hendricks beat GSP, but I've recently rewatched it and thought GSP took it. I think a lot of people got caught up in contender bias while they watched, including myself. I do think Gus beat Jones, though.

Lawler-Hendricks 2 was a lot closer than Hendricks-GSP imo. All depends on how you scored that 3rd round. At the time I thought Lawler got it, but I should probably rewatch it. oh and btw my blog is dope. @Useless
@jilti I know what you're saying, I just don't think it's a necessary component to add to her game. but sure, it wouldn't hurt, just like an explosive double-leg wouldn't hurt, but it's not something she necessarily needs.

Useless 11-17-2015 12:10 PM

I thought Lawler won the first and Hendricks won the second fight tbh


And gsp won imo.

Gus def won, wasn't a robbery like hammill/bisping tho


Lol @ leg kicks

Eŋg 11-17-2015 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quaker oats (Post 551497)
this is basically correct. Rousey's striking has been grossly overrated recently. her offensive boxing is actually pretty solid (she used a nifty trick to catch Holm with a left hook at the end of the first round), but her defensive boxing has always been terrible. She's been too willing to eat punches in the past, but it's paid off cuz she clinches and tears people up. Holm defended against the hip tosses as good as you possibly can. more so than stiffarming and throwing short elbows (which she also did), her elbow was constantly tucked and digging into Rousey's hips. It really was perfect. Rousey was a few seconds away from cinching that armbar, too, but Holm scrambled to her feet well.

that's a weird schism you've created with offensive and defensive boxing.

if your footwork is atrocious and head movement/ability to slip is non-existent and you don't know what a feint is you are not a boxer. even if you sort of throw punches well, which i don't think she does particularly.

oats 11-17-2015 09:24 PM

I haven't created that distinction, it's two fundamentally different skillsets. rather, two different manifestations of things like footwork and head movement. IE, slipping a punch to counter is different than slipping a punch to circle out, cutting off angles to pursue an opponent is a different type of footwork than counterpunching. almost every analyst I've read makes the distinction between offensive and defensive skillsets, and it's usually a different subset of statistics.

Ronda has power in her punches, and has some nice followup combinations behind a solid dipping jab. She's not a bad boxer in those regards. but her head is stiff on the center line, she's way too willing to eat punches in order to close distance, and she has no concept of how to stalk an opponent, which is fundamental to her game since she's a natural pressure fighter.

all that to say, she's not a TERRIBLE striker, but she's obviously got a lot of work to do on fundamental skills.

Eŋg 11-17-2015 10:30 PM

right. obviously cutting the ring is separate to backpedaling to draw a counter. thanks bro. i'm not suggesting there aren't distinctions between offence and defence, either. that was pretty patronizing. idk about stats.

i just wouldn't call someone who bull-rushes, stiff head up in the air, swarming with punches like a slightly more cultured diego sanchez a 'solid offensive boxer' because she hits the mitts a bit hard or cracked one good left hook while her opponent threw a kick. she has a decent baiting jab and throws a punch with a view to clinch quite well - solid boxing? not really. an ok puncher, at best.

maybe a bit of that recent hyperbole's gotten to you or this is just a semantic thing.

oats 11-17-2015 11:10 PM

"that's a weird schism you've created with offensive and defensive boxing."

this was the statement I was responding to. Wasn't trying to be patronizing, just sounded like you were telling me there's no difference between offensive and defensive boxing. I see what you're saying now, apologies.

still, I do think her offensive skills are much better than her defensive skills, and that as a purely offensive boxer, she's not bad. As a complete boxer, she's obviously pretty bad, though.

Useless 11-17-2015 11:40 PM

Too bad they're not boxing

jilti 11-18-2015 02:12 AM

Y'all heard that floyd mayweather wants to be her boxing trainer? real shit

uh-oh 11-18-2015 07:22 AM

yea he offered his services to help her box

seeing as rousey has been the one trashing him from the start i doubt she'll take up his offer tho since she views him as a good for nothing woman beater

Destroyer 11-18-2015 07:52 AM

that Floyd merriweather knows how to throw a punch


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