Word, the others can't compare to Oldboy but shit's worth to watch anyways. I'd jump on it if I was you.

Maniac

It's only like 2 and a half minutes in and two people have been killed already on a beach. One with a cut throat razor to the neck, the other garrotted from behind. I like this shit. Way better than the remake (which I'd seen previous to this one tbc).

The leads face as he kills looks really menacing, wild-eyed and sweating profusely, it's really believable due to Savinis work. The scalping too in the original looks better than the remake IMHO - despite it's age.

The leads schizo qualities where he's talking to himself and dressing up the mannequins with the scalped wigs is haunting too. Very odd yet it definitely adds to the movie here, as you seem to see inside the killers mind. Another great thing here is the POV shots from the killers eye, him following in the car early on is a nice touch - they obv picked up on that in the female where you see the entire thing from that perspective. It's used to great effect in this one too.

There's a great scene around the half an hour mark where a guy gets his melon split open via a close range shotgun blast through a car windscreen. I can def see why this ultra violence had it on the BBFCs banned list all those years ago - especially given the hype around the video nasties of the era and outcry surrounding certain films. Is it disturbing? I guess the concept of the film portraying the serial killers mind and actions is disturbing, sure, but the movie isn't that bad or graphic compared to what we have now. I quite like the fact it's not as over the top in that sense, the film is more about the Frank Zito character and what makes him tick rather than senseless brutality and non-stop violence. That's what makes it interesting. He plays the character so well he makes him believable. More so than I found with Elijah Wood in the remake.

There's the obligatory cliche chase through a Cemetary which is wack but I looked past it, you get a hint at the killers troubled past through child abuse but then one of the strangest, unforgettable death scenes you'll see as a room full of mannequins come alive, stab the serial killer and cut off his arm before decapitating his head from his body with their bare hands. Only it doesn't end there... (as I'm sure the remake does, and this one quite possibly could have done) it turns out that the mannequin death scene had been in the killers dreams! He is on his bed with a long knife embedded in his stomach, eyes shut, blood soaked sheets etc

Two police officers enter his room, seemingly as if they've solved the recent spate of killings and located the guy responsible. Seeing him lay on the bed pooled in his own blood and knifed in the gut, they presume he's dead, and go to search his apartment for clues/more bodies/accomplices/who knows? Anyway as they exit the room he is lay in, the camera pans into his face and BOOM! his eyes open to indicate this tale isn't finished there... THE END!

I don't know if there is a part two to this one, if there is I don't have it. This was great though for a movie older than even I am. Maybe not top of my disturbing list, but still a damn good movie and it's remake is still pretty good too - and fairly in keep with its predecessor even if they alter in some respects. Personally, I like this one (the first) slightly better. The Frank Zito character is played really well and looks like Ron Jeremy in his younger years LOL

got them/haven't watched

knew it's a trilogy though

the trouble with me is I add shit to my collection all the time if I find me cheap enough and I don't get round to watch anywhere near what I should lol

Out of the most relevant movies that are both dope as a cult classic (Oldboy and the trilogy will be) and known by the general public you should get around to that shit now. At the very least watch Oldboy man. How often does an Asian movie actually reach the public interest to such a degree that one has? I don't like to hype movies because then you get stupid high expectations that can't be met by anyone, watch it and go ''it ain't all that'' but idgaf, just watch it. I don't think you'll regret it.

LOL it's weird to me because I've got a ton of J-Horrors and Asian Cat. 3s... a Tale Of Two Sisters, Exte, Dumplings, Grotesque, The Butcher, Ringu, The Eye, Tetsuo etc

so quite a few are on my radar really. I'll def watch today though!

Nice reviews man.

Barron you a member at movieforumz?

Objective

whats ur all time top 10.

just curious


u seem to kno a lot about movies.

I'm latvian .

N trust me Barron there are way too many belgian films that are nasty as fuck.

ill throw down the list in some time

@Pastor Troy... I went overboard with that movie shit... :/ But ye, here you go, haha:

A quick top 10 in no particular order:
Can't decide between Howl's Moving Castle (JAP) or Princess Mononoke (JAP) to be a part of the top 10 to rep animé.
Pulp Fiction (US) - Quentin Tarantino's best work imo. It got everything and it seems like I always discover something new about the story or whatever each time I watch it. The trivia for this shit is endless as well.
In Bruges (UK/US) - Drama about two hitmen stuck in Bruges, Belgium for an indefinite time, got a lot of dark humor and great dialogue. Don't watch the trailer, it ruins too much.
Lucky Number Slevin (US) - Incredible thriller with a thought out plot, among Bruce Willis best performances as well.
Requiem for a Dream (US) - Best movie about addiction ever, don't watch this high, it'll ruin the mood.
The Bothersome Man (NOR) - Questions modern society and where we're going.
A Clockwork Orange (UK) - Does it really need a description?
Holy Motors (FRA) - Weird af but deep and questions modern society and the roles we take.
In China they Eat Dogs (DEN) - Comedy, can't stop laughing at this shit. Genious storyline.
Carnival of Souls (US) - Among my all time fav US Horror movies, hard to pick but thought this deserved a spot.

Worth mentioning:
Christiane F (GER) - (Cult classic within drug movies based on a true story and it's as real as it gets cus people have spoken out about what happens in that movie.)
Running Scared (US) - My fav high-paced action movie. Paul Walkers best performance imo, really fucking dope storyline as well. Gruesome af.
American Beauty (US) - Drama, Kevin Spacey outdid himself on this one.
King of Bastoy (NOR) - Gruesome movie based on a true story, it's local history for me as well. I've passed the island that shit happens on by boat countless times.
Lilja-4-Ever (SWE/DEN) - Dark gritty drama about the misfortune fate of Lilja in the early Soviet Union.
The Boy in the Striped Pajamas (UK) - Drama following World War 2 through the eyes of an innocent boy.
Grave of the Fireflies (JAP) - Top 5 dramas ever made, animated or not.
Melancholia (DEN) - Extremely dark slow paced drama.
Gran Torino (US) - Drama, Clint Eastwood in recent years. Pretty mainstream as far as movie viewers go, I loved it.
And ofc. Battle Royale, this one should have been among my top 10 but yeah.

I just got stop at this point...


Top 10 Wildcards in no particular order:
Funny Games (US) - For the creativity and concept alone, it'll definitely catch you off guard.
Shaolin Soccer (CHN) - Funny af movie recommended to watch after a toke or something, crazy shit.
Hobo With a Shotgun (US) - Sick shit. A hobo go on a tirade to get revenge.
2001: A Space Odyssey - For that way out there movie that uses human psychology to put you in the right mood. The movie takes use of long drawn out scenes and uses minimum sounds at times to cause an effect of boredom and emptiness, it's done on purpose.
Turin Horse - Haven't seen it yet, but having heard of the cinematography it'll probably get a spot in here so I'm mentioning it. No dialogue until you're 20 mins into the movie and filmed with a real black/white lens, even though it's from 2011 or something it looks like it's from the 30-40's. I'm saving this one for the time I'm really in mood for something like this.
Ameliè from Montmartre (FRA) - French drama, kind of dark yet joyful and happy in tone. I enjoyed it a lot.
Pan's Labyrinth - Drama/fantasy, lovely movie.
Tokyo Gore Police - Sci-fi horror/gore from Japan that got a message about which direction we're going in and the ''dangers'' of privatizing police. Deeper meaning and brings up more points than a lot give it credit for.
Sin City - Three stories and one comic made into film. FILLED with oneliners, it doesn't get more gritty than this.
Silent Hill - Might be my fav horror movie of all time, da fuq isn't this on my top 10? Fuck, top 10 isn't enough man. Anyways, this sick shit is a video game made into a movie. The story/plot is a psychologist nightmare and it excels in so many areas it should be a crime to say you love horror movies without having seen it. It's just dope af.

Yo, I wrote this while waiting for a call... What started out as 10 minutes led to thirty-forty minutes of me talking. I can go on for fucking ever, whahahah. Well, hope you enjoyed it, lol.

i guess i 've seen 70 % of the movies that u've mentioned here.

what are your thoughts about Films that get selected for the Palme d 'or and the different sub categories . one that happens at cannes every year.

im def checking out the ones i missed frm ur list as well

Thanks

I don't really follow it at all but Cannes Festival is interesting af and I'd love to go sometime. I generally just end up suddenly checking out some movies from that country/area/region, producers/directors and/or category and that's about it. Some bingewatching now and then and that's that. No probs, it's just cool to get some movie discussions now and again. Hope you enjoy the movies I've mentioned tho'.

What's your top 10 list?

Rep'd for Princess Mononoke & Running Scared tho...

After Hours
The killing-(Kubrick)
Elephant-(Gus van sant)
Dogville
Eastern promises-(Not for cronenberg , but for steven knight)
Lust Caution
The Edge of heaven
Hard Boiled- one big tony leung Fan.


Not exactly my top ten. but probably underrated ones i've enjoyed most.

i dont have a top ten list tbh.

Dope shit @Pastor Troy, I don't think a top 10 list exists. It's fucking impossible to put together. Damn, Hard Boiled, haven't seen it in ages. I don't think I even remember the movie anymore. Beside of that you got some dope movies there but most I actually haven't seen. Going to check them out soon enough though.

Word @Mr.J, Running Scared and Mononoke is the shit. Watched both those movies countless times!

Nah, I write these up purely for my own twisted enjoyment haha!

Dogtooth I been meaning to watch for a while. I think my versions greek? Unsure. There's a booklet inside with an interview with Yorgos Lanthimos.

Fuck it, I've a free house tonight, gonna throw it on now. Just peeped the back cover and saw "Contains incest theme and infrequent real sex". Sounds good. I'm gonna crack and beer and throw this on...

DOGTOOTH this is sorry, not Dogville haha!

Review to follow

Dogtooth

Right, this film is some pretty crazy Greek shit tbh bruhs! It started off strange, I literally had no idea what was happening at around 15 minutes in... From what I can work out, the parents of these three children in their late teens-twenties are control freaks. At the most extreme you can think of. They lie to their children about everything to do with the outside world, keeping their kids trapped inside the house and garden. These children live entirely sheltered lives with almost zero outside interference. The one son is reaching puberty or sexual maturity, so good old dad enlists this security woman from the world outside to pop around once a week and give his son sex lessons... Not weird enough for you yet? Well, amidst all this, we have some incest between brother and sister. There's a cat who appears in their backyard (which the sheltered kids have never seen) and the son attacks and kills it with a pair of garden shears. As you do.

The father then spins them a yarn on how a cat is a deadly animal that prowls the other side of the garden fences perimeter where they should never go, he covers himself in red paint to look like blood and rips his own clothes to then tell them the cat had killed their brother. It really is as bizarre as it sounds! The three kids are then taught how to defend themselves from a cat incase they ever encounter one again... and the parent watches on as his three grown adult children bark like dogs in his garden on all fours.

What in the actual fuck haha! This movie actually has a darkly comical side to it, I can't help but laugh, but the idea behind this is so out there I guarantee you'll have seen nothing like it before. I certainly haven't.

It almost reminded me of Josef Fritzl at the start, but rather than it be a straight up incestuous keep the children indoors affair - it seemed to me more a "The extremes parents will go to to protect their children" movie in a sense. As I said, the black humour runs right through this film, the kids are told a "pussy" is a big light and that the voice singing "Fly Me To The Moon" is their Grandfather, not Frank Sinatra. It's extraordinary stuff but believable that a family could actually take things that far! A little later, one of the girls acquires video tapes of Rocky and Jaws in return for a sexual favour with the female security guard there to please the brother/son. Once the dad has found out about the videotapes, he duct tapes one to his hand and beats his daughter around the head with it.

LOL

He later heads round to the security bitches house who gave his daughter the tapes, unplugs her VCR then beats her round the head with the player.

There's more incest and dark humour around zombies being little yellow flowers that makes no sense out of context to you guys reading this so I won't bore you with that haha! There's also this fucked up dance routine the kids come up with for their parents wedding anniversary, having no idea of choreography in the world outside, and it's literally the stuff of nightmares seeing them do this dance. I don't think too many things are fucked up, but the cat killing scene and this dance routine are stuck in my mind after watching haha! This bitch stays stone faced all the way through too, I've no idea how she didn't burst out laughing during that crap. It's fucking horrendous. You honestly feel like the woman/daughter is mentally ill and you're watching this when you really shouldn't be. Another thing here I should probably mention that I somehow forgot, is that the title of the film comes from a belief in the family that you can't leave the house until your dogtooth (canine) has fallen out and been replaced. This leads the eldest daughter, the one who got hold of the videos earlier, to try knocking her own tooth out with a weight of some sort. That scenes pretty hard watching smack her own tooth out of her face infront of a mirror...

The daughter then climbs into the boot of the car her father drives, seeming to think this is her way out now she's lost her dogtooth, but obviously no one knows she's in there. The family search but to no avail. The film ends with the camera shot looking at the closed boot of the car. That's it. The parents actions are never explained and in a way that just adds to the fucked up quality of this film, for me at least.

I'd have to say I actually found this to be more disturbing than Irreversible even. And I'm a huge Noe fan, but honestly the fire extinguisher scene affected me more than the rape scene in that movie - and the disturbing factor in this one is right out there.

I'm not really a huge gore hound like a lot of these lists seen based on, once you've seen a few torture porn movies it gets a little tiresome, but the fact families not too far removed from these depicted here - the Wests, the Fritzls etc - it makes this one seem all the more believable. This one rates pretty high for me, higher than a lot of people I've seen compile lists of these shits. I'd say maybe even top ten so far without my list to hand to rate it accordingly. Definitely fucked up and not one I'll forget in a while, but one I may go back and watch again. This ones a good movie actually, completely surprised me. Worth checking out!

I love far out there dark movies with morbid humor, got to check yours out sometime. I saw this japanese flick some time ago where a guy ends up killing a reporter he's stalked for some time by mistake (I think it was a car accident?), he brings her home, rape her corpse in some small shielded off flower garden and then blam! Rigor mortis kicks in and the dude is completely stuck. On top of all this his wife is on her way home which ofc offers to help, 5-10 min later of them trying to get him loose his daughter comes home and squeezes her tits so milk from her breasts covers the floor. I couldn't do anything else than laugh uncontrollably as the events played out, lol.

wtf lol this sounds horrific.

Thats a EVERYDAY NORMAL thing in Japan.

That hallway scene is bonkers. The way the scene breathes, stops and starts. It's dope.

Watched Infernal Affairs yesterday. Better than The Departed.

lol read it all
you should start reviewing movies here man
all types not just sick shits

rep.

I Spit on Your Grave was gruesome.. either the original or remake..

The version of ISOYG (old one) I have is the cut version - prob the one you'll have seen - but I've been holding out for an uncut version before I watched. I like them all uncut.

I've got the newer one here, surprisingly I haven't watched this film before tbh. Got about 3-4 hours before Mrs Lars is home so might throw that on now...

OH SHIT actually I sourced one recently, dude sent it me in a Bay of Blood Arrowdrome case that's what fucked me up

The original has to be more brutal than the first, that's what's up...

LETS FUCKING GO!

ISOYG

The version I've got is the uncut Ultimate Edition complete with booklet and Day Of The Woman poster, I checked the running time on my shit and it says 200 mins approx so I'm hoping that's with all the extras/interviews etc and not the actual running time of the feature (3+ hours WTF!?)

This is one of the most notorious of the original "video nasties" so I was really looking forward to watching it. The basic premise is a female short story writer heads to a cabin in the woods for the summer, to attempt to write her first novel. Once there she runs into these four local yokel redneck types, and one simple one in particular who is a virgin who obv likes this New York writer chick.

About 25 mins into the film, the four rednecks capture and drag the broad of to a deserted place and the three guys hold her down as one rapes her. It's over pretty quick. They try to encourage the virgin simpleton to take a turn, but he refuses before letting her go. She eventually reaches a further secluded place, still naked, where the four capture her again. Raping her a second time before driving off in their speedboat and leaving her for dead. In fairness the rape scene here didn't shock me as much as the one shown in Cannibal Holocaust. The chick is then scene making her way to her cut, and reaching for a telephone. The four redneck locals turn up again though, just when you think she's survived the ordeal... and after some liquid self-confidence, the retarded yokel Matthew duly takes his turn to rape the woman whilst egged on by his friends as she lies blooded and beaten.

The retarded Matthew is sent back in with a knife and instructions to kill her, he coats the knife in her blood to pretend he has but he hasn't gone through with it... The four men then escape on their speedboat and leave the bitch for dead.

Two weeks pass, and the men head on a reconnaissance mission to check on the body... only to find the chick is alive and well. They beat the shit out of the idiot sent to kill her and send him packing. The woman is then out for revenge and hunts the loser rapists down to kill them all. The first she catches up with is the simpleton Matthew, who's death is lulzy to me. So far stretched. He basically is tempted to try and sleep with her again, only during intercourse she slips a noose over his neck and he's quickly suspended from a tree branch until he dies. Who would even think of that?! LOL stupidest death ever. The guy had a knife he dropped, stabbing him with that would have been so much easier. It's laughable to watch how he's despised of. Oh well, one moron down, three to go...

The next is the apparent ring leader of the group, again tempted by sex with the woman gang raped by them earlier. Long story short, he talks to her about the rape like it was all her fault for dressing seductively etc - and gets him back to hers under a pretence of a bath. She reveals here that she's killed Matthew the moron and sneaks a knife out to castrate the ring leader guy in the bath LOL you don't see a whole lot other than blood covering the guys body, but it's more about what she does after it, locking the bathroom door on him and cranking up classical music to drown out his screams. It's pretty hard faced and relentless of her. There's a LOT of blood for her to clean up later on! Why she didn't just shoot the motherfucker in the face when she had the gun is anyone's guess, but I'm almost glad he died the way he did. It was a bit more sadistic and thought out that way, there's no way in hell you wouldn't just pop him while you had the chance and be done with him though. It hurts the plot slightly, for me, as it's just implausible to act that way. The chick catches up to rapist #3 and #4 - dude catching an axe to back of his skull, before the last seems to get caught in the propellor of the speedboat and dies? It all ends a bit fast, for my liking. There's nothing really "resolved" other then she gets her revenge and... that's it! I expected a bit more, more of a payoff maybe. More of a conclusion to it? I dunno. I think this far from the movie it's portrayed as. The rape scenes aren't even THAT bad, especially given films like Irreversible, and before people chime in about the era ISOYG is from... I said earlier in the review that I personally felt the rape scene in CH was more shocking and effective, which is the same era. I dunno, this is a decent flick, I maybe would watch again buy it's definitely not one of the most sickening or disturbing IMO. It's basically a revenge thriller, and not even a particularly well done one, I'd seriously advise anyone to peep "Deliverance" with Burt Reynolds in before this. Similar type film, I guess, and it even has a rape scene more shocking than the one here - plus it's build up, characters, and whole feel are done better than this was here. Check that shit out!

ISOYG Remake


This remake is more like it. More of a backstory, the rednecks/gas station workers are given more reason behind raping the bitch. There's music to help put you on edge throughout, the first has nothing like that to build up suspense. There's more tension to this one and that's also a plus, more scenes to make you jump that work. I had this turned up way too loud following the low audio on the original I'd watched just beforehand. There's a real menace to their performance.

The scene making her suck the gun is pretty dark, but I hated the clichéd falling over as she run away... Bitch ran straight into a psycho Sheriff, this version def reminded me more of Deliverance with the whole making her squeal shit. There's only so many retarded sex faces I can watch in one day haha!

The second rape where they sodomise her feels too short in comparison to the originals... but the after scene where she's walking and trembling and lost really adds to it and the whole feeling of how horrific the ordeal would be. I think the decision to have her drop in the water was a plus point on the originals plot, as you're not going to trust the most retarded person in the group to ensure the victim is dead, are you? The first had too many unbelievable plot holes that stood out like sore thumbs. I was glad to see they went against that in the remake.

Matthew the moron gets disposed of in a similar way to the first film, only not as over the top, which is a good thing - but this version maintains the sadistic side to the woman which I was pleased about. The revenge part is ultimately what makes the movie and gives it it's payoff. The rest is all a setup leading to those points, essentially.

Rapists 2 and 3 get disposed of a little too easy for my liking with the wooden bat, and the bathtub torture thing seemed too elaborate a setup for the woman to construct in the middle of nowhere. The eye hooks to the face as well just seemed too elaborate to me. It was unrealistic, maybe not as much so as the first movie so it's an improvement on that I guess but it still felt a little out of place to me - yeah I love revenge shit, but it all felt a little Saw-esque what she was doing. I don't even mind over the top shit, I just felt the Lye and Crows ish was too convenient to have all the necessary crap lying around to set those up. The crow with the eyeball is a sick scene though!

The tooth removal shit is nasty too but again, a bit too elaborate to have the guy suspended with ropes and pulleys from the ceiling and blah blah blah... The castration scene to the remake is way better than the original though, and a nice nod to the original so I really enjoyed that aspect. The bitch feeds the guy his own cock haha!

I completely forgot about the Sheriff in this one, he's still alive at the end, and his death is pretty fucking spectacular. Again, it's another Saw/Hostel torture porn like setup. this time with a shotgun stuck up his ass that the woman rapes him anally with before the rig she's set up kills him by blowing out his ass and the same bullet hiring the retarded Matthew on the other side of the room LOL

The movie ends there with the woman smirking, not too far dissimilar to the original, but the select few changes it made WERE for the better - though I still think they could have done these even better to IMO. The remake is a pretty solid movie in it's own right, def worth the watch fellas. It maybe doesn't rate too highly on my "most disturbing" list, but I'm not really into the torture porn genre and this second one tends to fall into that if I'm honest. Way more so than the first. There's elements in both versions I prefer over their namesakes, oddly enough the "Matthew" character in the first I enjoyed more, where the remakes was the more authentic acting. The methods of revenge in the first seemed way over the top in places, the retards death in the first being completely nonsensical - so the second wins out in instances like that but both versions revenge seemed OTT if I'm honest... that's what people paid for though, I guess? Overall, I'd go with the remake in truth. Personally though I'd like to see the whole thing remade again, with the revenge sequences made more believable and less torture chamber looking.