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Destroyer 05-11-2015 11:22 AM

nas > Jay

uh-oh 05-11-2015 11:41 AM

NEGATIVE

Certain 05-11-2015 11:45 AM

I'll take Jay Z's fifth-best album over Nas' second-best.

Destroyer 05-11-2015 11:50 AM

fools

Diode 05-11-2015 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Destroyer (Post 481306)
fools


oats 05-11-2015 01:18 PM

Distant Relatives is better than all but Reasonable Doubt, The Blueprint, and The Black Album. It's not a true Nas album but the same could probably be said about God's Son.

Jay's lows aren't as low, though.

fraze 05-11-2015 01:31 PM

Nas was a victim of his greatest success happening too early his career. He has undeniable talent, but Illmatic overshadows all of his later work by its status as THE iconic hip hop album from the golden era of hip hop. That's not something anyone can top, not even Nas. But every step of the way he's been expected to try, despite the fact that Illmatic was so classic because it was an unforced, honest expression of a young black mans life in America.

He was successful too young, held captive by a music industry that doesn't understand his art but only popularity. He style is the epitome of underground lyricist, but he shuttled towards the role of mafioso kingpin (which nobody believed sorry Nas), because gangsta rap was big at the time, and pretend playboy gigolo (sorry you still need more people) with Ginuwine. Nas is not a pop artist, which his catalogue makes pretty clear, but apparently none of his producers are Nas fans.

fraze 05-11-2015 01:35 PM

Illmatic > Stillmatic / Distant Relatives / Lost Tapes / Reasonable Doubt / Blueprint / Black Album > 90% of Jay's Catologue / God's Son > Jay's wackest albums > 90% of Nas' Catologue >>>>>>> Nas' wackest albums

ill nik-A 05-11-2015 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Certain (Post 481305)
I'll take Jay Z's fifth-best album over Nas' second-best.

easily

Destroyer 05-11-2015 01:41 PM

jay has reasonable doubt
that's all that i'd call classic
maybe the black album

PancakeBrah 05-11-2015 02:36 PM

I'm not a Jay fan but The Black Album is definitely a classic.

NYCSPITZ 05-11-2015 02:55 PM

they call it thanksgiving

I CALL YOUR HOLIDAY HELL DAY

NYCSPITZ 05-11-2015 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by oats murkel (Post 481295)
last two comments on-point.

I like Revolutionary Warfare, btw. solid beat, and the guest spots were serviceable. had the awesomely bad head-scratcher lyric: "I'm like a modern-day Hitler, black gorilla, crip and blood in one nigga."

also, Nas doesn't just have a classic. He has THE classic, which is different.

but he has produced a peculiar amount of mediocre and sub-par tracks.

yea that's pretty bad as a bar. his remix with ludacris was dope tho , made you look remix i believe

Ghost1 05-11-2015 03:05 PM

Blueprint is a classic also

uh-oh 05-11-2015 03:13 PM

blueprint is better than the black album

also

Certain 05-11-2015 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Fig (Post 481258)
His career isn't indicative of his impact.

Stylistically, Nas' influence is well understood.

He's a straight Rapper man Rapper bro. Nas isn't Kendrick, which you may know already. He got caught up in being a rap image though. I didn't intend for any of that to rhyme. I'm fucked up.

Point is, Nas done did what he did and your mediocre branding, @Certain, is only relative to his celebrity. Or maybe you just wonder why he can't make good music anymore. It's the same reason we can't write quite like we used to. Fuck I'm deep; moms inheritance.

No, you misunderstand. I respect the hell out of Nas. He's one of my favorites ever. What's frustrating is that he has spent 20 years trying to be something he's not way too often. He still can make great music. There were some great tracks on Life Is Good. But he seems completely unaware of his own strengths.

So yes, his influence and respect make him more relevant than Prodigy. That was a bad word choice. But Prodigy understands who he is and puts himself in better position to succeed. Nas is fighting a battle that won't ever be won.

In short, Nas is too talented to have had this career.

ill nik-A 05-11-2015 04:51 PM

Jadakiss has the same syndrome tbh

Certain 05-11-2015 04:54 PM

Truth. I never would have guessed in 2000 that a Styles P album (A Gangster and a Gentleman) would be the LOX solo album I like the most.

Inno 05-11-2015 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ill nik-A (Post 481385)
Jadakiss has the same syndrome tbh

Nah im a huge jada fan

But i gotta say none of his albums are as a whole, dope


His first album was probably his best


I personally prefer sheek louch

ill nik-A 05-11-2015 05:11 PM

Yea Jada can't put a dope album out

Which I think is ridiculous considering talent

Hush 05-11-2015 05:13 PM

Fab better than Jada and Nas both tho

Also struggles on Lps
Yet does better than kiss

NYCSPITZ 05-11-2015 06:53 PM

i am gonna agree with the momma's boy here. fab is the best self-made non mainstream artist in hip-hop history easy, peak nas has peak fab beat lyrically but career wise fab>nas. Music wise fab>nas. Lyrical consistency fab>nas. Social/emotional intelligence and realness fab>nas. Who wants to hear a nas freestyle? Exactly. Fab is the most relevant rapper out currently because he's diverse even tho weirdos like @oats think he's average. Freestyles, mixtapes, clubangers, features, stories, he can murk anything, sorta like a skinny new age biggie nobody else to really compare him to. Fab is more suave than biggie tho.

Certain 05-11-2015 06:57 PM

The Soul Tape series is one of the best mixtape series ever, and it's a shame he doesn't reach that level on his studio albums.

uh-oh 05-11-2015 07:05 PM

i like fab

i would much rather hear a nas "freestlye" than a fab one tho.

Hush 05-11-2015 07:07 PM

Try the new clue fab tape uh oh

Ghost1 05-11-2015 07:10 PM

Fab dope. Finally peeped the Saturday nite freestyles he been dropping too. Well....6 of em anyway...they're fire.

Allen Knight 05-11-2015 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hush (Post 481392)
Fab better than Jada and Nas both tho

Also struggles on Lps
Yet does better than kiss

fab GOAT status right now, hes killing shit w/ the remixes of old songs he been doing shit is fire.

but this thread is interesting tbh, idk i think nas career is well above mediocre tbh.

Hush 05-11-2015 10:55 PM

Nas a legend OP dumb af

Allen Knight 05-11-2015 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bagsworth Bentley (Post 481446)
Fab dope. Finally peeped the Saturday nite freestyles he been dropping too. Well....6 of em anyway...they're fire.

then start peeping the nbl mags faggot i had them songs weeks ago posted in there.

theres more then 6

http://www.datpiff.com/Fabolous-Live...pe.705083.html

here u go u ungrateful smut

oats 05-11-2015 11:05 PM

I respect Jada's skill, but his music is bland as fuck to me. Fab is a little better at making actual songs, but similar in that he's a hyper talented MC who doesn't make music becoming of his ability.

Hush 05-11-2015 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Allen Knight (Post 481508)
then start peeping the nbl mags faggot i had them songs weeks ago posted in there.

theres more then 6

http://www.datpiff.com/Fabolous-Live...pe.705083.html

here u go u ungrateful smut

French new mixtape retarded


Got a joint with Chris brown and migos go dumb

Certain 05-11-2015 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hush (Post 481504)
Nas a legend OP dumb af

Nas is a legend.

Nas' career, as in his actual on-wax output, has not matched that status.

That's the fucking point. And no one has even tried to deny that. Even if you love Stillmatic or It Was Written or God's Son or all three, you can't argue that Nas is consistent or has made as much good music as he could have with better beats and a clearer vision for his abilities.

Y'all are acting like Fabolous and Jadakiss should be held to the same standards as Nas. I like them, too, but Nas at his best is on another level entirely. Nas at his best was the best, ever. But it lasted one album and was done by his 21st birthday.

Basically, I just want Nas to rap about the hood over DJ Premier piano loops forever and never do anything else.

Allen Knight 05-11-2015 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hush (Post 481522)
French new mixtape retarded


Got a joint with Chris brown and migos go dumb

i got it in the new mag gonna be posted for nbl

its his whole mixtape in there....shit is dope

Ghost1 05-11-2015 11:24 PM

Damnit. I thought I was gonna link it in the morning an be the man lol.


That lil Wayne track is crazy hard.

Allen Knight 05-11-2015 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bagsworth Bentley (Post 481530)
Damnit. I thought I was gonna link it in the morning an be the man lol.


That lil Wayne track is crazy hard.

that shit goes stupid hard

Hush 05-12-2015 07:23 PM

Feeling like Moses tbh

PancakeBrah 05-12-2015 08:40 PM

Andre 3000 was good in the Jimi Hendrix movie.

timeless 05-13-2015 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Certain (Post 481140)
I listened to Nas' full discography the past week. Every album he released after Illmatic was more or less the same: a few great tracks to remind you of what he can do, a few God-awful singles to remind you that he's never going to make it superstar-level big, a few boring-ass songs where he tries to preach at you and a whole bunch of songs where the beats just sucked because he gave his career over to Trackmasterz and Salaam Remi.

There's so much inexplicable shit. Why did The Lost Tapes (recorded almost entirely in 1998 and 1999) have more good songs than I Am ... and Nastradamus (his albums from that era) combined? Why does he still keep trying to make radio-friendly songs with R&B hooks? How did he think following trash single "Got Ur Self A Gun" with "Made You Look" was good when they're practically the same?

If you put Nas' 20 best songs since Illmatic on an album, pretty much nobody could match it. But there's so much garbage in between. I love Mobb Deep, but there's no reason Prodigy should have had a so much more relevant career.

Nas is one of a kind. Dont ever doubt that, many have tried replicating.


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